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- I'm Scott.

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- I'm Russell.

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- And I'm Leo.

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This is Spitball.

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Welcome to Spitball, where three antique adventurers

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and a guest empty our heads of startup

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and tech product ideas that we have stuck up in there

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so you can all have them for free.

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Anything that we say is yours to keep.

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And this week, I am so beyond excited to welcome Alec

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to our show.

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Alec is a YouTuber with--

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I'm coming up on 3 million subscribers.

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He is a heat pump enthusiast, car guy, tech guy,

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appliance guy, explainer of all things old and new tech.

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Alec, welcome to Spitball.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much for having me.

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This is going to be so much fun.

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So as we do every week, I love to start us off

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with a warm-up game.

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And inspired by the many things that I've

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learned over the years from Alec and his incredible channel,

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Technology Connections.

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I should ask, Alec, where do we find Technology Connections?

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- YouTube.com/technologyconnections?

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Or are you asking me a different question?

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[LAUGHTER]

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- Where do you find--

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where do you live, Alec?

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[LAUGHTER]

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- Somewhere near Chicago.

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- Yeah, let's go.

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- Inspired by the many things I've learned over the years,

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I've written a game that I'm going to call Groover, Cruiser,

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or Hoover.

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So in this one, we've kind of drifted away over the years from fun brand names for stuff like Trinitron.

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What an incredible thing you could just buy off the

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shelf 30

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years ago, right?

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And now we have the CX9 or whatever.

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So this week I have a list of a bunch of fantastic brand names from the 40s to the 90s of either a

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Laserdisc player, a car that's usually like a, uh, an antique prototype car or a vacuum cleaner.

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And I'm going to give you the names and all you got to do is tell me which of the three it is.

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Laser disc, car or vacuum.

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If I had given you a name like Mondo, you would say that that is the Electrolux of canister vacuum, of course.

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All right, Alec, you're up first.

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The Navy Star.

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And spelled like it sounds all one word.

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Uh, is that a laser disc player, a car or a vacuum?

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Is NAVY?

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I'm going to have to go with car.

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That was a kid targeted toy, LaserDisc player.

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I found it on eBay.

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I was like, oh yeah, I can see that's like a car set.

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Scott, the Constellation.

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- Ah, I'm hoping a LaserDisc player.

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- That's a 1950s canister Hoover vacuum, of course.

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the FX-Atmos.

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So it's LaserDisc.

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experimental two-seat rocket car, of course.

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something AV, right?

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Alec, the trilobite.

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I'm going to go with vacuum.

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geez, I don't even have a date for that.

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Alec knew that.

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I think you knew that, Alec.

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- No. - You have one of those?

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It's adorable.

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You guys should look at it.

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It's from like the late nineties

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and it's a big clunky, ugly Roomba.

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Scott, the DiscoVision, all one word with a capital V.

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- If this is a vacuum, I'm gonna be really mad.

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I'm gonna say Laserdisc.

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player.

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Well done, everybody.

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It's MCA's launch era branding for their Laserdisc machines.

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- And I have one of those.

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- Oh, do you really?

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Oh, cool.

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It's never going to work.

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It doesn't look like an actual product.

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Russell, the golden rocket.

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That's a broom, so I'm going to go with vacuum.

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An Oldsbo mail

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fleck coupe.

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One more time through.

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Alec, the Avalier, A-V-A-L-I-R.

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That sounds like a car.

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a Kirby door-to-door deluxe

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Whose name sounds like a D&D dragon.

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Scott, the Hi-Vision, H-I-Vision.

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Definitely not a car.

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I'm going to go Laserdisc.

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The pioneer Laserdisc players.

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And then lastly, Russell, the Nucleon.

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I'm gonna just go with car.

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was a nuclear powered car by Ford.

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scale model vision of a nuclear powered family car.

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It had a complete reactor pod where the trunk should be.

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Epcot ball.

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ride. Future world ride. Tomorrowland. That's

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track right that Scott you got two out of three and we're the only one to do so. So that might mean

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Just keep guessing laser

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disc for everything. I think that means you get to go first this week.

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What do you got for us bud? This was probably the hardest game you've ever done Leo.

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All right so my idea this week this is based on Alec I watched one of your videos where you

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reviewed the FLIR 1 thermal camera and I love everything thermal camera wise. So we use

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them all the time at our work and I unfortunately am used to very high-end cameras on here and

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I've everything FLIR is like top of the line going through and I've always wanted one and

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I had an idea for a business a while ago where pretty much I went on AliExpress and I tried

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to find like the cheapest thermal camera I possibly could and I bought it and it was

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an absolute piece of shit just all the way through. Did not work. But quick tangent,

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Russell and I used to do a startup where we would, we took more expensive hardware when

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we would rent it to people and we created a logistical system where we'd send it to

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them. They would use it, they send it back to us. Always wanted to do that with thermal

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cameras to the point where you just for home efficiency in general, I'm in the process

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of buying a house. The installation on the house is absolute trash. Every room I go in,

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I'm like, we're going to have to redo that, redo that.

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just point, maybe connected to an app and be like, here's all the ways

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that you can improve the house.

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Here's a simulation of what it could be.

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Aliexpress ones, rent them to customers.

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Russell, we're going to use your vibe coding and we're going to create an

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app that can simulate and do the fancy.

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This is what you could get to full on rental system of hardware.

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That's what I got.

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So you're making like a map.

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You're the home.

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this inspection and I'm getting stressed about it.

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So I want a thermal camera and I want an excuse to buy one.

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This seems like a great one.

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You're going to have to compete with libraries that let you check them out for free.

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So your secret sauce is going to be the mapping part.

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I think you could make a fancy pretty enough app and you have to you only this camera can connect with it in some form.

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I would think that if there were you could probably create it to know based on the outside temperature basically what heat loss is actually occurring.

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And probably it would be pretty possible to kind of like give a potential optimization strategy.

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As in like, I have this camera pointed at, I like get a waterproof box for this.

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I sit it outside the home and I pointed at it for several hours or overnight or

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something, and I'm able to see, or are you saying like, I put a camera on a drone, I

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fly it up to the roof and then I leave it there for X amount of

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Oh, I was, I was actually thinking from, from the inside of the house, you could look at.

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Inside wait, you're saying outside Scott.

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I thought he was outside

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who's growing weed in your neighborhood

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But yes, the inside is way more like here's your huge focus areas

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like probably the doors or like certain areas that are colder,

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the other way around it probably might be might be easier to get a better picture cuz like interior you have to like

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do every wall, every window, you need like 30 of those bad boys.

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This would just be like four, maybe five.

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And you don't need a drone, you can just put one on a flagpole, you know?

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You don't need a rental flagpole.

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Really long flagpole that you carry around your house.

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A tenna, you know?

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I'm pretty sure that Fleur makes a lightning or a USB-C version for phones too,

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is that

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iPhones have a lidar and have built-in easy to use software wise API's for like

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mapping a room that 3d space so it's almost like you could make the software

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experience for that existing hardware

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that's more like

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it's both light are

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ring to make the map and it's doing the like remembering of the the various heat

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spots that you've pointed at, you know?

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I'll tell you one thing that I would really like to see is the thermal emissivity of different

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materials affects the accuracy of the reading.

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And if there were some way that the app could just intelligently recognize, "I'm looking

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at vinyl siding, so I need to adjust to this particular value."

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When we, um, when this inspector came into this house, I'm attempting to purchase, I

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camera he just put it in every room took a picture moved in the next room took a picture next room

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and like the

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inspection report was beautiful like i had full 360 shots of everything going through

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i have not tried to google this but is there a 360 version of

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a thermal imaging camera

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and you just

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you have steps set up and you put that in every room and you take pictures and then maybe russell

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we go back a couple episodes and we take your box fan idea and we like you ever see that where they

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they put a box fan on a window and they try to suck

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all the air out of the house.

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And then you can see where cold air is coming into the house

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from all the leaks everywhere.

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- Oh, that's called a blower door test.

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- Blower door, that's what it is.

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- That's so smart.

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- Combine that with a 360

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FLIR camera in every room,

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make an app that makes it stupid easy for people,

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put it all together.

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- Wow, there are a lot of people

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that pay a lot of money for that, Scott.

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The whole

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energy industry.

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- I'm one of them.

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- Yeah, the

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power industry, you might get, you know,

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targeted on a list.

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It's that good.

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That's cool.

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Yeah, I think if you don't have a three-seated camera,

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you just get four flurs.

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- Tape them all

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together. - Tie them together.

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Yeah, four different, and that's just it.

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You mesh the images together or something.

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- A

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flur and a motor.

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- Yeah, that's probably

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gonna be the easiest way.

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- That's a

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great idea.

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- I

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don't have a great understanding of the lenses

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in thermal imaging, but I know that they're weird

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and

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that's part

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of why they're so expensive.

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- We had at Hope College,

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we bought a device called a Swivel, S-W-I-V-L.

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I don't know if they still make them.

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This was over 10 years ago,

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but it was a little stand that you stuck an iPad in

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or an iPhone in and it motorized.

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The whole dang thing was like a 360 mount

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and it tracked the person that it was filming

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for like student teachers.

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They'd walk around with a little beacon thing

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and

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be like, "Hey,

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I'm teaching over here."

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and the camera would kind of follow them and vice versa.

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It almost looked like one of those cheap phone holders

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that you'd get on your desk, but it just was motorized.

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You almost need something like that to stick the camera in

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that's like on a tripod where it just sort of looks around,

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it takes three minutes and slowly,

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like a pan, tilt, zoom camera, I guess.

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That's a very established market.

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- Just has one button on it.

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Put it in the room, hit

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button,

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exit room.

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- There you go, it beeps when it's done.

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- You could be performance-based almost at that point, Scott.

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Performance-based contracting where you're just like yeah, I'll literally cut your heating and cooling bill in a third.

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Here's your energy report

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Here's how much you will end up saving

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If you would do

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these

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steps, we'll

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take 20% of it.

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Yeah

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Whatever like a year's worth. Yeah.

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Yeah, that's the there's a lot of sketchy people

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Well, I mean

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there's

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um, there's some financial services company that you give them you're like

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Verizon bill and your whatever bill and then they take 20% of whatever money they save but it doesn't cost you anything to use the service

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You know, so if they can't save you any money, then you don't pay anything. But if they can save you money then

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Whatever some

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person you know talking

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about. Yeah trim. That's what it was

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That's what

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business model where like, you know, you give them your before and after of your energy bill

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And then it doesn't cost the user anything. That'd be cool

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Scott. Yeah, and the rental camera thing, you know flares are so expensive

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you only need them for like 30 seconds, right?

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Yeah, and then you send them back.

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- I've been

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stuck on this, yep.

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- Yeah, that's true.

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If you could make it as a little kit,

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people only need this once, maybe per house.

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- You could do one in the winter

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and one in the summer too.

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Really double down for

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those.

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- There you go.

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You give a coupon for half a bottle.

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- The winter one.

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- The premium feature is like twice the, you know.

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- I mean, it would be useful to have data

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for both heating and cooling.

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I don't know how easy it would be to extrapolate

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one to the other.

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>> All right, Leo, what do you have for us this week?

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>>

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Okay. So you guys have several times over

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the last 40 episodes mentioned stumble upon as

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something that you remember and look back upon fondly.

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Stumble upon's key insight.

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One of the things that they did really well

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was they used what's called a bookmarklet.

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So along the top where your bookmarks bar is,

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usually you have those be websites.

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But you can also instead bookmark a piece of code.

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And when you're on a web page and you press that bookmark,

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a little bit of code runs.

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Parallel to that-- So, park that idea.

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Parallel to that, there is, um, the website Rap Genius,

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which is now called Genius, had this idea years and years ago

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that I can't get out of my head, where for a minute,

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when they got all their venture capital money,

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they really wanted to be the annotation layer

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on every web page on the web.

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They're like, "We can have people commenting

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about what these rap lyrics mean,

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what about if we could be on any web page?

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They launched it for like a hot minute and then decided,

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no, we're just gonna stick to music lyrics

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and then rolled back everything.

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And now they don't do that anymore.

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I would love to build a service

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where you're on any web page on the web,

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the Facebook homepage, that one interesting blog post,

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that crazy New York Times article,

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and you press the bookmarklet, the button,

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and it launches an audio call without leaving that web page

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with only other people that are currently looking at that webpage.

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So it's a discussion chat room thing for whatever it is that you're on.

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And the second you leave that webpage, you're no longer in the call anymore.

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And it'd be pretty easy to build all this because there's something called web RTC.

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So browsers can now talk directly to each other pretty easily without having to like,

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whatever, there's a bunch of technology reasons why this is now possible where it

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wouldn't have been 20 years ago.

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And I think it would be so cool to be like, wow, this is a really interesting

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I can't believe that that thing in Iran just happened."

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Or, "Wow, there's a lot of people who are interested

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in the front page of whatever today."

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And you just click this link that's in your toolbar,

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and boom, you're in a Zoom or Google Meet-like experience,

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but you haven't left the page.

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So you can just discuss with other people, right?

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There would be moderation

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challenges,

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of course.

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Like anyone talking on the internet for any reason.

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Yeah, a little dicey, but on the whole I feel like that would be a really like I would try it a chat roulette

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But topical

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Omegle sort of thing that's bitch.

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Awesome. Yeah, that's it. I always love

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going on Clubhouse. Yeah

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I was I was

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thinking

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Clubhouse Clubhouse

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came to mind right away. But like

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what is Clubhouse? It's a bygone

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Covid project.

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Yeah, it was like

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what is it like a group?

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It was like public group audio rooms like public discord

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- Yeah,

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it was like the precursor to Twitter spaces,

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which just ripped it off immediately.

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And then--

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- So social

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network where it's all just audio calls.

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And some people on the call are able to unmute

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and some people can only listen.

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So live podcast-y kind of.

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- Oh, that's cool.

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- It was.

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It still is around?

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Did it finally die?

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- Yeah,

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I don't know.

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- It's still around.

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I just looked, 'cause I forgot what it was called.

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But yeah, I guess this reminds me of Clubhouse.

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And then for moderation, that's easy.

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You do the hate, like the group boot thing, you know?

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Should we boot this?

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- Oh, vote?

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- Yeah, you know, that's very easy.

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You get a certain amount.

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- Okay. - Right?

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But I think that's really, that's really interesting.

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I think there'd be a lot of people that just be like,

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wanting to talk about this.

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It would bring more discussion that's,

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I think it's actually got like a social element

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that's beneficial, you know?

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Then leaving a comment on a Discus plugin, right?

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Or whatever that's completely

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anonymous.

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Like, this is like the next level.

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It's like texting versus phone call.

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like that

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level of difference and intimacy or whatever,

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like connection, human connection, like that's--

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- Yeah, it's easy to be brave in the comments section

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because you're a username and some typing, right?

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But if you're actually hearing the other person's

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intonation in their voice and stuff,

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you're probably a little bit less brash.

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I mean, you would hope,

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us salt of the earth

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Midwesterners would hope.

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(laughing)

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- Yeah.

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- You

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ever go on like the most niche of niche subreddits

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of just whatever crazy hobby you're into

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and you always see like two people online,

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three people online.

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It just gives you

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that warm, fuzzy

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feeling

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like there's someone else here with me on this.

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I'd like this idea just for that reason.

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- The Reddits of the world could build something like this

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where it's got a button on Twitter,

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Twitter rips off Meerkat and Clubhouse and all these, right?

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Or you've got your Reddit button

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that says launch audio chat room.

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But if this was like across all services

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in a different separate thing,

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I feel like it'd be more useful.

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I would want to see some,

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I'm not sure how useful it would be

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if it was just like random people.

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Like

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I

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would think people would want to be able to like

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form some sort of social relationship with other users

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and how would you envision that working?

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- Well, it's launching JavaScript code.

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So in theory, you could build your own UI.

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You know, when you press the button,

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it could have something in the corner or whatever.

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It doesn't just necessarily have to be invisible.

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So you could have a user naming,

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You could have how many people online indicators and stuff.

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You can build as much or as little infrastructure

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around it as you

529
00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:05,100
wanted.

530
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,920
Like imagine you just go to your YouTube channel's homepage

531
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,620
and see like 12 people online right now.

532
00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:11,500
Do you wanna join in?

533
00:20:11,700 --> 00:20:11,760
Like

534
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:12,520
that could be interesting, right?

535
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:13,320
- That's what I was thinking.

536
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,040
Yeah, like if I had a friends list

537
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,560
and I saw them discussing a certain article, I'm in.

538
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,100
- Oh, you press

539
00:20:20,100 --> 00:20:20,700
the button somewhere

540
00:20:20,780 --> 00:20:22,240
and you say like those five people,

541
00:20:22,420 --> 00:20:23,720
people that I've friended over the years,

542
00:20:23,860 --> 00:20:26,600
right now three of them are over on New York Magazine

543
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,020
or whatever, yeah, that's interesting.

544
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,740
- I mean like social, it's like browsing your news,

545
00:20:30,860 --> 00:20:32,500
but you're talking about it,

546
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,020
that'd be kind of interesting, I don't know.

547
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,220
- I like the idea of like creating a physical space,

548
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,740
but like there have to be different subdivisions of it,

549
00:20:40,980 --> 00:20:43,640
as in like there's a thousand different bowling alleys

550
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:44,720
that everybody's in.

551
00:20:45,260 --> 00:20:45,920
- Yeah, totally.

552
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:47,020
- That's good,

553
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,280
that's a great analogy.

554
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:48,820
- Yeah.

555
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,100
- Like a bunch of like, yeah, you're all in the same

556
00:20:51,340 --> 00:20:53,280
like room, but different alleys,

557
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,960
like group of six or 10 people at a time, right?

558
00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,320
That's that's probably how it'll work and then you can rotate your rooms or whatever if you don't like

559
00:21:00,980 --> 00:21:02,480
Shuffle me in this pot like

560
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:03,480
I don't like this

561
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:04,180
group anymore

562
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:10,860
The home page of this site could have the top 50 rooms or whatever and maybe there's a max cap of 10

563
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,660
And it sticks you in a random room and you don't get any more than yeah

564
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,300
Cuz obviously voice chat gets a little unwieldy when you reach a certain critical mass

565
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,840
That recent game you showed us Leo on Steam where it's all about the audio and proximity

566
00:21:24,780 --> 00:21:25,920
- VR chat? No?

567
00:21:26,260 --> 00:21:27,680
- Yes, the one that's coming out

568
00:21:27,780 --> 00:21:28,960
from the Untitled Goose Game guys.

569
00:21:29,340 --> 00:21:29,580
Yeah,

570
00:21:29,740 --> 00:21:30,140
yeah, yeah.

571
00:21:30,460 --> 00:21:30,600
- I'm

572
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:31,120
just picturing

573
00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:32,520
like an overhead view

574
00:21:32,620 --> 00:21:33,800
of like just a bunch of bubbles

575
00:21:33,940 --> 00:21:35,840
in this massive bowling alley room.

576
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,620
And you can just kind of move your bubble around

577
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,340
to different groups and talk to different groups

578
00:21:39,380 --> 00:21:39,880
all about it.

579
00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:42,000
And then you can shift over to this one over here

580
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:42,660
and it's all voice

581
00:21:42,660 --> 00:21:43,180
and proximity.

582
00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:45,340
- I did a virtual,

583
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,260
I've been doing like a higher ed tech conference

584
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:49,720
every year for 10 years.

585
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,820
And during COVID, we did a virtual thing

586
00:21:51,820 --> 00:21:56,640
and there's a site called gather.town that'll do that.

587
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,500
It's basically a top-down, it looks kind of like Pokemon,

588
00:21:58,800 --> 00:21:59,460
right, you're controlling

589
00:21:59,460 --> 00:22:00,140
a little guy,

590
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:01,620
but it's proximity chat,

591
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,360
so you can build little virtual rooms

592
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,620
and walk from room to room and hear each other and stuff.

593
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,140
Something like that does already exist, yeah.

594
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:09,240
- Combine it with

595
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:09,360
yours.

596
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:10,040
- That's kind of nice,

597
00:22:10,140 --> 00:22:12,040
'cause then if you have somebody screaming, you know,

598
00:22:12,180 --> 00:22:12,620
like, just move away. - Just

599
00:22:12,620 --> 00:22:13,080
walk away.

600
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:13,640
- Go

601
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,200
over here. - Just move away.

602
00:22:15,580 --> 00:22:17,000
Yeah, just walk away.

603
00:22:17,420 --> 00:22:19,860
You could also turn this into a competitive app,

604
00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:20,640
You know, like

605
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,600
every

606
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,780
room has got a debate winner,

607
00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:26,240
and they get to move on to the

608
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:26,700
next room.

609
00:22:26,940 --> 00:22:28,760
Who is loudest in this room?

610
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,100
- I have 12 debate bucks or whatever from winning.

611
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,580
How do you win the comment

612
00:22:34,580 --> 00:22:35,040
section

613
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,300
of a news article?

614
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,740
- Everybody likes to feel like they won,

615
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,100
so let's just deemify the heck out of it

616
00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:43,160
and throw it into audio.

617
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,520
- What about just minutes spent being productive

618
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:46,360
and

619
00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:47,160
having

620
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:47,940
a nice time?

621
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:49,640
- Whoa. - No, there has to

622
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:49,960
be a winner.

623
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,580
- Doesn't fuel the internet.

624
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,440
That's, no, the internet doesn't work that way.

625
00:22:54,820 --> 00:22:56,160
- I don't know, I kinda like that.

626
00:22:56,700 --> 00:22:57,540
- Internet and altruism

627
00:22:57,540 --> 00:22:58,540
are like rare.

628
00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:01,020
- But can you combine the altruism,

629
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,780
ultra, I can't say the word,

630
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,440
with just actually gamify that though

631
00:23:05,580 --> 00:23:06,860
and make it the more, like you said,

632
00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:09,020
the more constructive the conversation you have,

633
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:10,000
the more points you get.

634
00:23:10,060 --> 00:23:11,000
I love that idea.

635
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,040
- How do you quantify that though?

636
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,120
- It's gonna force people,

637
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:14,760
I don't know,

638
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,100
have an AI do it in the background.

639
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,059
- The Reddit upvote and the Reddit downvote

640
00:23:18,060 --> 00:23:21,060
are supposed to be not, I agree with this opinion,

641
00:23:21,460 --> 00:23:24,440
but I think that this person is contributing

642
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,820
to the conversation whether I agree to them or not.

643
00:23:27,100 --> 00:23:29,480
There was a thing 20 years ago called Reddit it.

644
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,400
You kinda wanna have the, you know when you're in a call

645
00:23:33,460 --> 00:23:35,540
and it has thumbs ups and hearts going by

646
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,700
because somebody's liking it hard, you know?

647
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,080
Maybe we could do something like that

648
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:39,940
where it's like, they're being

649
00:23:39,940 --> 00:23:40,360
productive

650
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:40,820
even

651
00:23:40,820 --> 00:23:43,440
if what you just say is something I disagree with.

652
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:43,960
I don't know.

653
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,200
- I mean, something like that, that's kinda cool.

654
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,060
incentivize altruism, I guess, you know, I don't know.

655
00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:52,080
Or like, well, maybe it's not altruism.

656
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:53,760
It's just more like, you may not be the loud,

657
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,160
even if you're the loudest voice,

658
00:23:55,180 --> 00:23:56,480
you may not be the most popular,

659
00:23:56,660 --> 00:23:57,840
but nobody wants to say anything.

660
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,220
Because you're the loudest voice

661
00:23:59,360 --> 00:23:59,580
doesn't mean

662
00:23:59,580 --> 00:24:00,540
everybody agrees with you.

663
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,000
- Sure.

664
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:02,620
- I don't know, I just wanted to spin it.

665
00:24:02,820 --> 00:24:03,860
I wanted to throw some.

666
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,820
- All we have to do is just solve

667
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,080
how to be good people on the

668
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:07,380
internet.

669
00:24:07,980 --> 00:24:10,120
I'm sure nobody's thought about this problem before.

670
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:11,580
- I'll tell you

671
00:24:11,580 --> 00:24:12,940
one thing you shouldn't do

672
00:24:13,540 --> 00:24:15,700
is make it only positive signals.

673
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:17,580
I think

674
00:24:17,580 --> 00:24:19,920
that has never worked and yet we're still trying

675
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:20,100
it

676
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:21,960
Mm-hmm, that's true.

677
00:24:22,020 --> 00:24:26,540
But I feel like starting with audio is a good place to start. It's harder to hide

678
00:24:26,820 --> 00:24:33,020
I guess you'd have the occasional wacko who's like putting soundboard memes and making themselves sound like Darth Vader or whatever

679
00:24:33,260 --> 00:24:37,260
But for every one of those you probably would find quite a few people who just want to chat,

680
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:37,840
right?

681
00:24:37,940 --> 00:24:41,300
I mean like Oh Meggle and chat relates still exists, right?

682
00:24:43,020 --> 00:24:43,600
Yeah,

683
00:24:43,860 --> 00:24:46,900
those but like there's no thing to talk about

684
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:53,540
It's like going on a first date and seeing a movie first. So you have the thing to talk about at dinner, you know

685
00:24:54,340 --> 00:24:54,740
or like

686
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:56,220
if you're on the

687
00:24:56,580 --> 00:25:01,120
Article or the home page of Facebook or whatever it is that people want to meet up and chat about then you have something to

688
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,120
Discuss, you know,

689
00:25:02,660 --> 00:25:03,260
do I love it?

690
00:25:03,380 --> 00:25:03,880
I love it

691
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:09,120
even if like influencers did that like you could become you could create news influencers instead of

692
00:25:09,580 --> 00:25:16,320
That would be like really good interpreters of their own like news articles or something. Like I really like the way this guy interprets

693
00:25:16,980 --> 00:25:20,340
News right right now. I just interpret it by myself, right?

694
00:25:20,340 --> 00:25:26,540
I just read it and hope that Twitter agrees or something right or find my little echo chamber

695
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:32,280
I wonder if a good pilot would be like a live Wikipedia talk page. Yeah

696
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:33,800
I love

697
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,399
that just on one site

698
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:41,700
It could be like a little plug-in that just runs on there because Wikipedia is pretty neutral stuff to discuss most of the time

699
00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:48,260
Yeah, that's actually cool is that's awesome. Like you can even um drop like voice notes or something, right? Oh, I don't know if that's

700
00:25:48,260 --> 00:25:48,840
Oh

701
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:50,320
asynchronous kind

702
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,380
of missing out on the live

703
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:52,520
Aspect of it

704
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:53,320
right fun.

705
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,160
Wikipedia is a good spot

706
00:25:55,260 --> 00:25:59,979
There are pages for like Benjamin Netanyahu or whatever that would probably get a little spicy

707
00:25:59,980 --> 00:26:03,300
But on the whole, like, page for list of guitars

708
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:05,600
or whatever is probably pretty innocuous.

709
00:26:06,210 --> 00:26:07,700
So Wikipedia would love that.

710
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,280
Create events, get more donors,

711
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,940
more donors, more donors.

712
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,260
Right? They'd love that.

713
00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:17,199
But I mean, if you create more...

714
00:26:18,140 --> 00:26:18,580
(LAUGHTER)

715
00:26:19,380 --> 00:26:20,540
-If you create... -Jimmy.

716
00:26:20,540 --> 00:26:20,720
Jimmy

717
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:21,760
needs your five bucks again.

718
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,220
But he-- Yeah, I think that would be--

719
00:26:24,220 --> 00:26:25,780
Create more engagement on Wikipedia

720
00:26:25,940 --> 00:26:27,240
rather than it being a reference site.

721
00:26:27,420 --> 00:26:29,960
It's a communicate-- It's like discussion

722
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,940
-Healthy discussion. -Why not?

723
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:32,740
I mean, you referenced the talk page.

724
00:26:32,780 --> 00:26:35,180
I mean, not a lot of people see the talk page

725
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,460
for any given thing, but, like,

726
00:26:37,020 --> 00:26:39,760
Wikipedia is pretty spicy for back-and-forth

727
00:26:40,899 --> 00:26:44,440
edit wars and debate and controversy and stuff.

728
00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:45,860
It's just all, like, under the surface.

729
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,140
So this could maybe be a healthy way to bring that up

730
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,080
and make Wikipedia a little

731
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:50,240
more interesting.

732
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,220
-I wanna see this. -So any given

733
00:26:53,220 --> 00:26:53,540
page,

734
00:26:53,580 --> 00:26:54,700
you can see the list of edits,

735
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,600
but then there's a commentary about why those edits are being made.

736
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,940
Like this person doesn't actually deserve to be called noble or whatever.

737
00:27:01,970 --> 00:27:03,000
And you're like, Oh, interesting.

738
00:27:03,220 --> 00:27:03,440
You know,

739
00:27:05,620 --> 00:27:05,820
yeah,

740
00:27:05,820 --> 00:27:08,480
I think you could truly circumvent Godwin's law.

741
00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:11,640
If you just had people like actually talking voice to voice

742
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:12,220
at the Nazi

743
00:27:12,220 --> 00:27:12,380
one.

744
00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:12,620
Yeah.

745
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:18,860
Godwin's law was, um, every internet argument eventually dissolve,

746
00:27:19,180 --> 00:27:19,900
dissolves

747
00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:21,300
into being a Nazi debate or whatever.

748
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:21,560
Yeah.

749
00:27:22,860 --> 00:27:24,720
Maybe it would just stall it for a longer.

750
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:25,460
(laughing)

751
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:32,560
- Russell, what do you got for us this week?

752
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,880
- All right, so recently I've been dealing

753
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,780
with this change in my car insurance.

754
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:41,380
It went up like two to $300 and it really irks me

755
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,500
because I'm like, why, why does this happen?

756
00:27:44,740 --> 00:27:47,540
And then I have to go do the, let me call some people.

757
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,140
Maybe I'll get the right letter in the mail

758
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,680
to make me consider going to that other car insurance

759
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,060
company. Do those work on you? Sometimes the letter in the mail.

760
00:27:58,270 --> 00:28:01,740
All right. Sometimes it's like, all right, $700. Like, you know what?

761
00:28:01,820 --> 00:28:05,260
It's more of a reminder to try to get my rates lower. Sure. Right.

762
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,620
Kind of feels like Comcast, you know, when you buy the comm and then they upgrade,

763
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,500
you know, I'm just feeling like one of those things.

764
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:17,480
So I would love to create a experience where I just post anything that I'm not

765
00:28:17,580 --> 00:28:18,160
loyal to.

766
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,720
That seems to be one of those like relationship based businesses like car

767
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:29,820
insurance, home insurance, lawn care, anything like that.

768
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:33,000
I will upload my invoice, upload my contract,

769
00:28:33,620 --> 00:28:34,760
upload anything anybody

770
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,040
wants to know about my--

771
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:36,600
Is my social credit card number?

772
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:38,680
Except for that.

773
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:39,240
My home address?

774
00:28:40,340 --> 00:28:40,640
Except for that.

775
00:28:41,180 --> 00:28:42,300
Like my policy, right?

776
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:44,740
I would post my policy publicly

777
00:28:44,740 --> 00:28:45,520
if it

778
00:28:45,620 --> 00:28:49,040
meant that I get quotes for literally the exact same policy

779
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:49,920
for less money.

780
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:51,420
I

781
00:28:51,420 --> 00:28:55,580
am sure there are car insurance companies and new agents out there all the

782
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,200
time looking to get a deal.

783
00:28:58,380 --> 00:29:00,280
So they just literally go on this website,

784
00:29:00,580 --> 00:29:05,140
find everybody that has similar car insurance policies and just outbid my

785
00:29:05,260 --> 00:29:08,900
current rate. And literally you can switch on a dime. Like they take care of,

786
00:29:09,340 --> 00:29:11,400
like when I switch homeowners insurance or car insurance,

787
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,220
they like literally take care of everything. You might,

788
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,120
I might have to make a couple of phone calls, but for $300 like, sure,

789
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:18,580
Why not?

790
00:29:18,660 --> 00:29:19,780
Like, boom.

791
00:29:21,380 --> 00:29:21,740
- Awesome.

792
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,220
- And so, yeah, I'm like anti-loyalist

793
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:26,800
to a lot of companies.

794
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:28,020
They just want my

795
00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:29,620
money and I just want this service.

796
00:29:30,140 --> 00:29:32,120
Why do I have to like be in a relationship

797
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:32,800
with these people?

798
00:29:32,850 --> 00:29:34,280
They don't wanna be in a relationship with me, really.

799
00:29:34,420 --> 00:29:36,000
Like, just sell me your service.

800
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,940
I will get the best rate, move on.

801
00:29:38,340 --> 00:29:39,080
And then yeah, this

802
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:39,560
app would,

803
00:29:40,020 --> 00:29:40,340
that's it.

804
00:29:40,390 --> 00:29:42,140
You just post and receive.

805
00:29:42,820 --> 00:29:43,420
Better bits.

806
00:29:43,860 --> 00:29:46,340
- It's kind of like a consumer side RFP.

807
00:29:47,260 --> 00:29:47,660
Yeah,

808
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,180
or your request for proposals.

809
00:29:50,340 --> 00:29:50,940
Yes,

810
00:29:51,460 --> 00:29:51,880
yes.

811
00:29:54,139 --> 00:29:54,940
Universal nationwide.

812
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:56,700
Yeah.

813
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,480
The personal version of an RFP.

814
00:29:58,860 --> 00:30:01,560
So we have to do those at work if it's over a certain amount of money.

815
00:30:01,780 --> 00:30:02,920
Most businesses need that.

816
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,580
So I need to make a big purchase.

817
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,540
You have to get quotes from everybody in this space.

818
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,500
I like that, but you're coming to them with an already existing plan.

819
00:30:10,580 --> 00:30:11,220
That's interesting.

820
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:15,740
That would help drive transparency up and prices down probably if nothing else.

821
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:16,460
Yeah.

822
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,780
- I like the idea of starting from beat this basically.

823
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,720
- Yeah, there we go, that's the name, beat

824
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,080
this.

825
00:30:23,420 --> 00:30:26,860
Purchasing a home has taught me one about insurance brokers

826
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,800
that literally do this, they're just like,

827
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:29,980
here's my insurance right now,

828
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,460
someone give me a better rate and they go off and find it

829
00:30:32,460 --> 00:30:34,060
and take a cut of that and everyone wins.

830
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,800
But also you can do that with mortgage lenders too,

831
00:30:36,980 --> 00:30:38,120
I didn't know this, they're just like,

832
00:30:38,460 --> 00:30:41,380
here, post your closing costs for your mortgage

833
00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:44,320
and here's the interest rate that you get

834
00:30:44,380 --> 00:30:46,620
and you're based on your credit and blah, blah, blah

835
00:30:46,620 --> 00:30:47,960
And all these other lenders are like,

836
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,300
well, I could knock a couple thousand off that closing cost

837
00:30:50,340 --> 00:30:52,680
and I could not charge you for this line item right here

838
00:30:52,690 --> 00:30:54,660
if you come with me, 'cause I want that loan.

839
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,300
And it's just make them all fight each other.

840
00:30:57,380 --> 00:30:58,340
I love that idea, Russell.

841
00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:00,240
Apply that to everything you possibly can.

842
00:31:01,180 --> 00:31:01,900
- Everything. - Everything.

843
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:03,840
- Everything, man. - Beat this.

844
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,480
Beat, dot, this.

845
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,480
- Yeah. (laughs)

846
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:08,920
- That might also be taken already.

847
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,840
- So, I mean, like car insurance,

848
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,360
I think is the easiest one.

849
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,740
Homeowners insurance even easier,

850
00:31:17,020 --> 00:31:18,920
'cause literally they take care of everything.

851
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,020
They call up the other home insurance company

852
00:31:23,020 --> 00:31:24,620
and be like, "They're switching to me."

853
00:31:24,620 --> 00:31:27,300
Ah, shucks, I'm sure they have a great conversation.

854
00:31:28,180 --> 00:31:30,400
But it's like, I don't know.

855
00:31:30,460 --> 00:31:32,260
And then our services could be like,

856
00:31:32,260 --> 00:31:33,680
we could do some concierge,

857
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,180
we can make some money on top of every transfer, right?

858
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,100
We help alleviate the bidding process

859
00:31:41,540 --> 00:31:43,120
or the phone calls,

860
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:43,320
right?

861
00:31:43,460 --> 00:31:44,540
make it as easy as possible.

862
00:31:44,860 --> 00:31:46,060
- I went to buy a heat gun recently

863
00:31:46,380 --> 00:31:50,220
and the local Lowe's and Ace Hardware

864
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,700
and Hometown Shop were all $189.99

865
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,080
and one other store in town was $90, $91

866
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:00,980
for the exact same product.

867
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,940
I almost wish I could take your website

868
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,300
and do it for that one purchase that I need to make

869
00:32:06,380 --> 00:32:07,920
no matter how big or small it is

870
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,260
that does the comparison bidding and shopping for me.

871
00:32:11,540 --> 00:32:15,140
Like, I know that I want to buy a new car,

872
00:32:15,460 --> 00:32:19,540
so every local dealer is bidding in an RFP process.

873
00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:25,480
Here's the model that I want, but you 12 dealers in the area

874
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,040
all have to submit a bid or something,

875
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:29,500
no matter how big or small.

876
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:30,660
A reverse eBay.

877
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,500
Dude, I traveled to Ohio to buy my car for thousands

878
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:36,420
of dollars less.

879
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:37,960
Like, why not?

880
00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:39,680
Why not make it a national brand?

881
00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:40,880
There's a car salesman that's like,

882
00:32:40,980 --> 00:32:41,780
I gotta turn inventory.

883
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,320
This guy's willing to travel.

884
00:32:43,980 --> 00:32:46,300
He's gonna buy a plane ticket to come to me?

885
00:32:46,540 --> 00:32:48,520
Like, sure, I'll save him $500.

886
00:32:49,820 --> 00:32:50,620
Reverse RFP.

887
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:51,680
That's PFR.

888
00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:52,240
- Well, that's an

889
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:52,600
advance.

890
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:54,760
(laughing)

891
00:32:57,980 --> 00:32:59,560
- I was gonna say RRFP,

892
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,520
but I like that better.

893
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:01,560
- Personal funding rituals.

894
00:33:03,220 --> 00:33:05,580
- PFR.biz, my new cool site.

895
00:33:06,020 --> 00:33:06,580
- I think this

896
00:33:06,580 --> 00:33:08,720
goes for like lawn care, child care.

897
00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:11,560
Leo, I think for your idea--

898
00:33:11,580 --> 00:33:13,760
- Child care to the lowest river is not.

899
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:14,400
(laughing)

900
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,520
- I'll take 'em.

901
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:18,520
- I'll throw 'em--

902
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:18,760
- River.

903
00:33:19,460 --> 00:33:19,900
- I'll

904
00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:21,960
throw 'em in a shed if it's five bucks cheaper.

905
00:33:22,060 --> 00:33:22,600
I don't care.

906
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:23,940
(laughing)

907
00:33:26,060 --> 00:33:26,940
Discount bargain

908
00:33:26,940 --> 00:33:28,920
bin child care is what I'm after.

909
00:33:28,980 --> 00:33:29,760
- Maybe not that one.

910
00:33:30,020 --> 00:33:30,560
- I know what you mean though.

911
00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:31,940
Sometimes

912
00:33:31,940 --> 00:33:32,840
it matters less, yeah.

913
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:33,880
- But I think for purchases

914
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,320
that you're not gonna do right away,

915
00:33:35,620 --> 00:33:36,460
but if you got for the right

916
00:33:36,460 --> 00:33:36,880
price,

917
00:33:37,020 --> 00:33:37,200
that's

918
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:37,860
really interesting.

919
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,820
'Cause like Facebook Marketplace,

920
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:41,820
you know, it's really addicting,

921
00:33:42,140 --> 00:33:43,420
or like whatever, Craigslist or whatever,

922
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:45,480
to like browse what's,

923
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,360
stuff that you didn't want to buy

924
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,840
and now you are going to buy it

925
00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:50,440
because it's cheap. - Such a good deal.

926
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,200
- I think the reverse could work

927
00:33:52,660 --> 00:33:54,420
if you're willing to sell something,

928
00:33:54,620 --> 00:33:57,680
but you weren't until you saw somebody willing to buy it.

929
00:33:58,060 --> 00:34:00,540
- My friend and former guest on this show, Steph,

930
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,979
is part of several different palette groups

931
00:34:03,980 --> 00:34:08,480
where they post, "I am seeking this Ninja blender,"

932
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,000
and all these people who buy the big pallets

933
00:34:11,060 --> 00:34:12,740
of Amazon returns will be like,

934
00:34:12,879 --> 00:34:15,620
"Okay, so I know that there was one person who wanted this."

935
00:34:15,620 --> 00:34:18,560
It's like a matchmaking service, but for people,

936
00:34:18,780 --> 00:34:20,780
like what you're saying, people who wanna buy this thing

937
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:22,120
versus people who wanna sell this thing.

938
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,899
People have sort of made that happen,

939
00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:25,419
I think, ad hoc on Facebook,

940
00:34:25,740 --> 00:34:26,740
if I'm understanding that right,

941
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,280
but that doesn't seem very well organized.

942
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,500
And if you could put structure around it,

943
00:34:30,620 --> 00:34:31,960
I think there's a demand for that.

944
00:34:32,060 --> 00:34:33,080
- I thought you were talking about,

945
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,460
Now that I'm in a commercial office space

946
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,220
and I get to see the pallet people.

947
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,940
- Oh, sure.

948
00:34:40,340 --> 00:34:40,840
- Do you know what I'm talking about?

949
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:41,580
- Oh, like the wheeling

950
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:42,440
around pallets, right?

951
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:42,760
- Well,

952
00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:45,500
like I'm always fascinated by how like in,

953
00:34:45,899 --> 00:34:47,340
when you wanna get rid of a pallet,

954
00:34:47,340 --> 00:34:49,120
you just put it out back and

955
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:49,639
someone's

956
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:50,340
going to take it.

957
00:34:50,780 --> 00:34:50,980
- Yep.

958
00:34:51,820 --> 00:34:52,220
(both laughing)

959
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,940
- That's so true.

960
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,320
- And the wood pallets.

961
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,860
- Yeah, there's like an ecosystem

962
00:34:57,300 --> 00:34:58,420
where there's a bounty

963
00:34:58,420 --> 00:34:58,840
on

964
00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:59,480
the pallets

965
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:02,640
and people just, they make businesses

966
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,740
out of driving around and picking up pallets

967
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,240
and then delivering it to the people

968
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,560
who have a bounty on the pallet.

969
00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:08,940
- Hunting for the best pallet,

970
00:35:09,220 --> 00:35:10,500
best wood, right?

971
00:35:11,140 --> 00:35:11,840
Best structure.

972
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:13,320
- Yeah, what were we talking about?

973
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:13,900
- I

974
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:14,320
don't remember.

975
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,780
Oh no, bidding, PFRs.

976
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,220
- I really want this for HVAC companies

977
00:35:20,540 --> 00:35:20,880
because

978
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,400
that has

979
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,560
been my big crusade

980
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:26,160
of

981
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,280
how are you coming up with that price?

982
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,740
Well, you're not telling me

983
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,340
because you're not itemizing it,

984
00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:36,000
So you just have to get bids from a million different people and it's absolutely

985
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:36,700
obnoxious.

986
00:35:36,740 --> 00:35:37,040
Mm-hmm.

987
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,920
And there's no structure to it and everyone does it a little different and they all want to come and see it.

988
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:42,120
And

989
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:42,500
yeah.

990
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,800
All right, Alec, what do you got for us this week?

991
00:35:50,220 --> 00:35:56,980
So I have been going on a bit of an organizational project to try to get all of my crap together.

992
00:35:57,140 --> 00:36:01,960
And I've realized there's a category of product that I would really like to have,

993
00:36:02,180 --> 00:36:07,860
which is basically a toolbox, which has reverse minibar technology, where it will

994
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:08,520
tell you

995
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:08,960
every

996
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:09,940
tool that you've

997
00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:11,540
removed and

998
00:36:11,540 --> 00:36:14,360
will give you a list of all the tools

999
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,200
that you have taken out of your toolbox.

1000
00:36:16,820 --> 00:36:18,560
So you put them back.

1001
00:36:18,850 --> 00:36:20,100
In the right one.

1002
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:20,620
Yes.

1003
00:36:21,420 --> 00:36:22,300
That's excellent.

1004
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:25,660
So you're doing like an initial setup where I have these five boxes.

1005
00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:29,580
I know that this is going to be my this and that's going to be my that and you're like inventorying it.

1006
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:29,840
Yeah.

1007
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,660
I mean, I there's a whole bunch of ways this could be done.

1008
00:36:32,740 --> 00:36:41,660
My first thought was literally like a mini bar in a hotel where there's a bunch of little switches and you can just program in that like, okay, this tool's missing because those switches haven't picked up.

1009
00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:44,300
But then I realized that sounds expensive.

1010
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:50,100
So then I thought we could do like RFID tags like libraries use for their books.

1011
00:36:50,340 --> 00:36:53,180
And if you just have an RFID tag on all your tools,

1012
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:58,940
if there were some sort of a toolbox that can do a mass scan and tell you you're missing these tools,

1013
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,160
I would pay a lot for that.

1014
00:37:01,420 --> 00:37:05,560
I've worked on something similar before for a medical device

1015
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,640
where doctors would actually leave pieces of gauze or tools inside patients.

1016
00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:11,220
And so they had to...

1017
00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:11,420
They would

1018
00:37:11,420 --> 00:37:12,560
RFID every

1019
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,120
single thing inside that

1020
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,020
would be used on

1021
00:37:15,020 --> 00:37:15,400
the table,

1022
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,340
and then when they're done with the surgery, they would sweep them with an RFID reader to be like,

1023
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:20,900
Is anything still in there?

1024
00:37:21,140 --> 00:37:21,380
No?

1025
00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:21,820
Great.

1026
00:37:21,930 --> 00:37:22,220
We can

1027
00:37:22,220 --> 00:37:22,420
keep

1028
00:37:22,420 --> 00:37:22,720
going.

1029
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,200
So I like the RFID methodology.

1030
00:37:25,570 --> 00:37:25,940
That makes

1031
00:37:25,940 --> 00:37:26,680
the most sense to me.

1032
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:27,540
That sucks that that's

1033
00:37:27,540 --> 00:37:28,220
necessary.

1034
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:28,760
Yeah.

1035
00:37:29,180 --> 00:37:31,920
Well, it makes me feel better about leaving tools around the place.

1036
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:33,560
I guess so.

1037
00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:34,040
You ever left

1038
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:34,920
a pair of scissors in

1039
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:35,640
someone before?

1040
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:36,760
Not that

1041
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:37,260
I know of.

1042
00:37:38,620 --> 00:37:39,780
You guys know that like stick

1043
00:37:40,620 --> 00:37:42,380
that you use to find water in cartoons?

1044
00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:43,180
Oh.

1045
00:37:43,530 --> 00:37:44,560
I don't know why I'm thinking

1046
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:44,840
about

1047
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:45,080
this.

1048
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,140
But like, what if you did that for finding your

1049
00:37:48,140 --> 00:37:48,500
tools?

1050
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:49,820
- Like when you lose a stick.

1051
00:37:50,110 --> 00:37:50,900
- Can you go back to the

1052
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:51,180
stick?

1053
00:37:52,659 --> 00:37:54,040
- I'm forgetting the name of it.

1054
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,260
It's a

1055
00:37:55,260 --> 00:37:57,260
water thing.

1056
00:37:57,859 --> 00:37:58,840
- It's in the shape of a

1057
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,960
Y upside down.

1058
00:37:59,980 --> 00:38:01,920
- It's a Y stick and yet it points it towards water.

1059
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:03,440
- What?

1060
00:38:03,980 --> 00:38:06,460
- It's an old timey, like you would hire

1061
00:38:06,460 --> 00:38:06,860
people

1062
00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:08,420
to find where to dig a well.

1063
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,760
And I can't remember what this is called.

1064
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:12,740
It's got a weird name.

1065
00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:13,840
- Was it just pseudoscience?

1066
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:14,920
Was this a real thing?

1067
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:14,960
- Yeah, it's

1068
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:15,440
pseudoscience.

1069
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,120
- Okay, all right.

1070
00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:17,320
Although people

1071
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,860
claim to be

1072
00:38:18,860 --> 00:38:23,360
able to sense the waves, you know, there's actually a really

1073
00:38:23,460 --> 00:38:28,380
interesting discussion that Adam Savage has on his Tested channel about Mythbusters wanting

1074
00:38:28,460 --> 00:38:29,180
to test this.

1075
00:38:29,420 --> 00:38:29,860
Okay.

1076
00:38:30,060 --> 00:38:30,760
Let's go.

1077
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:31,400
It's real.

1078
00:38:31,460 --> 00:38:32,220
I told you.

1079
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,100
I don't think that was

1080
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:34,220
the

1081
00:38:34,220 --> 00:38:34,460
lesson.

1082
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:35,140
It's not.

1083
00:38:37,140 --> 00:38:38,080
It's like this.

1084
00:38:38,220 --> 00:38:39,000
It's like a USB.

1085
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,180
It just loops around and

1086
00:38:40,180 --> 00:38:41,880
it finds your tool.

1087
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:42,380
Okay.

1088
00:38:42,540 --> 00:38:43,300
That's what I'm trying to do.

1089
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:43,880
Going

1090
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,080
back to like, that would be cool.

1091
00:38:45,460 --> 00:38:51,240
Well, if they are all tagged, then yeah, you could have something kind of like an air taggy type thing,

1092
00:38:51,540 --> 00:38:52,240
but it'd have to be

1093
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:53,120
pretty close, though.

1094
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:59,300
Well, and for me, like part of what I'm intrigued by, so I'm going to give you a little bit of a backstory here.

1095
00:38:59,670 --> 00:39:07,900
Have you seen this would go viral every once in a while where people will be like, "Oh, McDonald's is making sure homeless people don't get free drinks. They put chips in the cups now."

1096
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:09,260
No. Oh my gosh.

1097
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:09,900
Have you seen that?

1098
00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:11,380
Yeah. On the bottom,

1099
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:11,740
right?

1100
00:39:11,820 --> 00:39:12,220
Well,

1101
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,880
so when I was a cast member at Disney World, that was a thing there.

1102
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,080
Oh, it was.

1103
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:22,880
This is a lot older than the people seem to know, because at the resorts, you can buy a refillable mug,

1104
00:39:23,220 --> 00:39:27,780
which you will program to work for one, two, three days or your entire stay.

1105
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:33,640
But even the paper cups that they give you to buy one time have an RFID sticker on the bottom of it.

1106
00:39:34,580 --> 00:39:40,520
And so, like, if those stickers are so cheap that Disney's putting them on paper cups,

1107
00:39:40,620 --> 00:39:44,080
Why can't we just have them to stick on our tools and crap?

1108
00:39:44,250 --> 00:39:45,020
Yeah, totally.

1109
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,240
I mean, yeah, even libraries.

1110
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:47,960
At least the 10mm socket wrench.

1111
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:48,700
Libraries

1112
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:52,640
are not famously well-funded places, especially nowadays.

1113
00:39:52,940 --> 00:39:54,580
So if they can put it in all their books.

1114
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,900
Yeah, I want a consumer version or consumer-facing version of that integrated into a toolbox

1115
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,700
and some sort of shameful alarm goes off if you haven't put the tool back

1116
00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:06,540
in five hours.

1117
00:40:06,540 --> 00:40:08,920
If you step out of the room and your tools aren't all put back.

1118
00:40:08,940 --> 00:40:09,640
There you go.

1119
00:40:10,780 --> 00:40:15,340
I mean you can apply this is so many things like toys. I was gonna say collectors

1120
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,220
There's the people who are like really into like I don't know

1121
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:24,020
Funko pops or something or their video game collection or something that they're like

1122
00:40:24,740 --> 00:40:28,480
Wanting to keep inventoried and all that and organized beautifully. I'm sure that yeah

1123
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,180
There's all kinds of people who'd have need for something like this Oh

1124
00:40:31,180 --> 00:40:31,600
bar

1125
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,000
I've been trying to find a solution for this for a long time

1126
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:40,460
Alec and the only one that I've come up with is like gridfinity in general where like my drawer is so

1127
00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:43,540
Beautifully laid out that if something is missing from it

1128
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,420
It is very obvious and it like angers me to the core that like I need to put this tool

1129
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:50,680
Back, otherwise, my perfect setup is

1130
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:51,940
gone. Fortunately. I that's

1131
00:40:51,940 --> 00:40:53,380
the only way to get past my ADD

1132
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,420
I know my brain does not work that way, unfortunately

1133
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,920
So same you gotta have

1134
00:40:58,920 --> 00:40:59,160
that

1135
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:01,720
- Well, and the thing

1136
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:03,480
is, I'm usually pretty good

1137
00:41:03,660 --> 00:41:06,400
at knowing where the tools are.

1138
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,240
I have this internal catalog,

1139
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,880
but then what always happens is,

1140
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,540
the thing I actually need,

1141
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,040
I have so many measuring tapes and utility

1142
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:15,360
knives.

1143
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:16,800
(laughing)

1144
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:17,740
Because

1145
00:41:17,740 --> 00:41:18,780
they, and I actually,

1146
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,320
the last time I needed utility knives,

1147
00:41:20,420 --> 00:41:22,900
I specifically bought them in bright red,

1148
00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:24,300
hoping that would help.

1149
00:41:24,740 --> 00:41:25,120
Didn't help.

1150
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,719
- I have like four tool bags that travel

1151
00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:32,760
depending on like the basement spot, the garage spot,

1152
00:41:32,860 --> 00:41:34,820
and then like the other spot, right?

1153
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:40,180
Like, I mean, yeah, there's like corners of my space

1154
00:41:40,540 --> 00:41:41,580
that it would be good to know like,

1155
00:41:41,610 --> 00:41:42,940
all right, I don't have to dig through this bag

1156
00:41:43,020 --> 00:41:45,540
for five minutes, like wave the wand.

1157
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,120
Nope, not in there, wave the wand, nope.

1158
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:50,540
That'd be so

1159
00:41:50,540 --> 00:41:50,760
nice.

1160
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,240
- Or the bag itself is doing it.

1161
00:41:52,580 --> 00:41:55,300
You pull up the app and then the bag is saying like,

1162
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,420
oh, bag number three.

1163
00:41:56,660 --> 00:41:57,880
I don't know where bag number three is,

1164
00:41:57,940 --> 00:41:59,660
but it has these 12 things in it.

1165
00:41:59,860 --> 00:42:02,100
You search for W-R-E-N, oh wrench,

1166
00:42:02,540 --> 00:42:04,960
that's in bag five, and that's the orange one,

1167
00:42:05,180 --> 00:42:05,280
right?

1168
00:42:05,340 --> 00:42:07,100
- Whoa, are you saying the bag itself--

1169
00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:08,880
- Why not? - Is tracking constantly?

1170
00:42:08,910 --> 00:42:09,040
- Yeah,

1171
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,120
it would know what's inside of it.

1172
00:42:10,580 --> 00:42:11,900
- Oh, sorry. - Or that it was

1173
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:12,940
the last one. - I don't know,

1174
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:15,640
I thought you were just selling, like, no, okay,

1175
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:16,960
that's way cool. - That would be

1176
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:17,760
pretty easy to do,

1177
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:18,780
relatively.

1178
00:42:18,820 --> 00:42:19,800
- That is awesome. - Like,

1179
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:20,820
having them all

1180
00:42:20,940 --> 00:42:23,440
have little coin cell batteries and stuff sucks,

1181
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,080
but if you have each tool just with an RFID tag,

1182
00:42:26,140 --> 00:42:28,080
and there's no battery, it's all passive.

1183
00:42:28,260 --> 00:42:30,300
- Yeah, I mean, that's part of why,

1184
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,820
you've probably sensed I get jaded

1185
00:42:33,940 --> 00:42:36,340
when the tech industry makes things overly complicated

1186
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,700
and then everybody gets excited about an AirTag

1187
00:42:38,740 --> 00:42:40,840
and they forget about the two-cent RFID tag

1188
00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:41,840
that's been around for years and

1189
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:42,020
years.

1190
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:42,520
- 100%.

1191
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,420
- And so I would like that, but more, and for people.

1192
00:42:47,980 --> 00:42:48,240
- Totally.

1193
00:42:48,620 --> 00:42:51,040
There is no consumer-facing RFID, is there?

1194
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:52,040
That's interesting.

1195
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,000
- This is a great bookshelf, too.

1196
00:42:54,660 --> 00:42:56,480
- Like a bookshelf, like it would sell this,

1197
00:42:56,620 --> 00:42:59,280
like you could power that thing up, plug it in,

1198
00:42:59,580 --> 00:42:59,980
you know what I mean?

1199
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,780
- They're pretty flexible for like,

1200
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,240
like if you take a stack of eight library books

1201
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,060
that have those tags in them and you put them on the reader,

1202
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:07,800
it's able to

1203
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,540
get all eight of them at once pretty easily.

1204
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:09,640
- I

1205
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,640
remember being like mind blown

1206
00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:14,660
when I used the self-checkout at the library,

1207
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,140
just blunk, do-do-do-do-do,

1208
00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:16,740
whoa.

1209
00:43:17,260 --> 00:43:18,260
- Yeah, totally.

1210
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:19,660
- How hard is the reader?

1211
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,579
Like is that reader, like the library book reader like--

1212
00:43:23,580 --> 00:43:23,700
It's

1213
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:23,740
a

1214
00:43:23,740 --> 00:43:24,200
pad.

1215
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,040
It's just like a little like--

1216
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:26,500
- That's right.

1217
00:43:26,500 --> 00:43:26,840
- Plastic

1218
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:27,640
thing you set it on.

1219
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:27,720
- You're

1220
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:29,020
limited by power consumption on it.

1221
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:32,640
That's what I've learned by wand waving medical one.

1222
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:33,980
It's like you need a pretty,

1223
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:35,600
you need a decent bit of power

1224
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,240
in order to project the wave enough

1225
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:38,640
that I can read it from a distance.

1226
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,640
A couple centimeters is easy.

1227
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:41,380
- Yeah, okay.

1228
00:43:41,540 --> 00:43:43,240
- But we were trying to do a wireless version.

1229
00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:44,900
No, but it's a toolbox.

1230
00:43:45,180 --> 00:43:46,940
You already have a drill battery in it.

1231
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,580
Just plug the drill battery into the thing.

1232
00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:49,360
- There you go.

1233
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:50,760
- It could be, yeah.

1234
00:43:51,620 --> 00:43:55,320
All those Craftsman toolboxes, my dad has one, obviously.

1235
00:43:56,519 --> 00:43:57,100
Midwestern dads

1236
00:43:57,100 --> 00:43:58,940
have some sort of crazy--

1237
00:43:58,940 --> 00:44:01,840
and you pull it out, and you're like, damn, this is nice.

1238
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,940
But it would be cool if you plug it into a wall,

1239
00:44:04,020 --> 00:44:05,840
because it's always in the same corner of the garage.

1240
00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:07,720
And then every time you pull out,

1241
00:44:08,620 --> 00:44:10,520
you can see if I took it, or if

1242
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:11,060
my dad took

1243
00:44:11,060 --> 00:44:11,280
it,

1244
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:11,620
or if

1245
00:44:11,620 --> 00:44:12,540
my brother took the tool.

1246
00:44:13,539 --> 00:44:14,340
And I don't

1247
00:44:14,340 --> 00:44:14,780
get blamed for it.

1248
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,980
It could be like Thailand AirTag's group network,

1249
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,300
where everyone's toolboxes are ratting each other out.

1250
00:44:19,380 --> 00:44:21,800
Like Steve, your neighbor has that screwdriver.

1251
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,060
Oh, I knew it!

1252
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,440
- That was a great idea.

1253
00:44:25,220 --> 00:44:26,020
That's fantastic.

1254
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:27,420
- Find your lost tools.

1255
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:29,680
- I knew it,

1256
00:44:29,940 --> 00:44:30,500
my wrench.

1257
00:44:30,820 --> 00:44:33,160
- Well, Scott's gonna have to do a deep dive

1258
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:33,900
in my inventory

1259
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:34,560
real

1260
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:34,980
quick.

1261
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,320
- You have a lot of his stuff.

1262
00:44:37,110 --> 00:44:37,780
- I probably like,

1263
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,460
I think between the three of us,

1264
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:41,800
like we've bought like tons of

1265
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,520
tool drill bits,

1266
00:44:43,690 --> 00:44:44,380
like just so

1267
00:44:44,380 --> 00:44:44,660
many.

1268
00:44:44,740 --> 00:44:44,920
We've

1269
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,020
just lost the exchange.

1270
00:44:46,020 --> 00:44:47,120
I have your air compressor

1271
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:47,440
still.

1272
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:48,660
- I have your paint sprayer.

1273
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:49,220
- Before COVID.

1274
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:50,200
(laughing)

1275
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,100
- Yeah, before COVID.

1276
00:44:52,740 --> 00:44:53,520
- It's all good.

1277
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:54,500
I obviously don't need it.

1278
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:56,220
- This would be great for,

1279
00:44:56,460 --> 00:44:57,600
I have a bunch of cables

1280
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:58,540
in this.

1281
00:44:59,000 --> 00:44:59,480
You know what I mean?

1282
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,240
Like, oh my gosh, I don't even,

1283
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,700
I wish I knew how many HDMI, USB

1284
00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:04,140
-C,

1285
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:05,540
iPhone cables.

1286
00:45:06,980 --> 00:45:08,140
Just throw it in a bag.

1287
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:09,780
And then, right?

1288
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:10,380
- Literally,

1289
00:45:10,740 --> 00:45:11,560
like you know it's

1290
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:12,040
in there.

1291
00:45:12,380 --> 00:45:14,400
You just gotta dig for it and you throw it back in the--

1292
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:15,260
- Now that we're dads,

1293
00:45:15,340 --> 00:45:19,500
we have to have the box that's got the spider web of cables.

1294
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,320
- I've got a few of those and I'm not even a

1295
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:21,500
dad.

1296
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:21,800
- Yep,

1297
00:45:22,580 --> 00:45:22,960
yeah.

1298
00:45:24,060 --> 00:45:25,180
You reach a certain age.

1299
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,160
- The other reason why I kind of wish RFID

1300
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,560
would just be more, I don't think people are aware

1301
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,100
of how many kinds of tags and how resilient they can be.

1302
00:45:34,540 --> 00:45:36,420
'Cause going back to my Disney days,

1303
00:45:36,780 --> 00:45:40,400
Disney has RFID tags sewn into every piece of costuming.

1304
00:45:41,180 --> 00:45:41,720
- Oh do they?

1305
00:45:41,740 --> 00:45:41,920
When

1306
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,860
you, like, you can wash them,

1307
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,360
well I should say this is knowledge from 2014,

1308
00:45:47,740 --> 00:45:49,180
but like, we were totally allowed

1309
00:45:49,180 --> 00:45:51,000
to take our costumes home and wash them.

1310
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:51,900
And by the way,

1311
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,880
costume is just Disney speak for uniform.

1312
00:45:54,540 --> 00:45:56,180
Everything is showbiz down

1313
00:45:56,180 --> 00:45:56,260
there.

1314
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:56,460
- Yeah.

1315
00:45:57,620 --> 00:46:00,820
- But like, when you return your costume to costuming,

1316
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,100
you would just put it down a chute

1317
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,940
and you'd see a little screen that would tell you,

1318
00:46:04,020 --> 00:46:05,200
oh, you've returned this item.

1319
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:06,560
And

1320
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:06,960
like,

1321
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,420
that's been around for decades.

1322
00:46:09,740 --> 00:46:10,700
Why don't we have that?

1323
00:46:10,940 --> 00:46:12,880
and it's waterproof, no batteries.

1324
00:46:13,180 --> 00:46:13,760
Yeah, totally.

1325
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,140
Dang, where were you 10 episodes ago?

1326
00:46:16,220 --> 00:46:18,320
I was talking about something like this for my closet.

1327
00:46:18,380 --> 00:46:20,540
I just wanna know what shirts in this closet

1328
00:46:20,620 --> 00:46:21,980
have I not worn in the last year?

1329
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,420
And I was trying to figure out something like that.

1330
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:25,420
That's really great.

1331
00:46:25,540 --> 00:46:25,680
I

1332
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:26,060
want to--

1333
00:46:26,060 --> 00:46:27,600
- Well, you know the backwards hanger system?

1334
00:46:28,420 --> 00:46:29,880
- That was told to me after the fact.

1335
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,600
Yes, someone has mentioned, a listener has told me

1336
00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:35,280
that you take all of your hangers

1337
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:36,920
and you start either forward or backward

1338
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:39,679
and then as you wear them, you reverse them

1339
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,940
so that you know, oh, I have worn that shirt or whatever.

1340
00:46:42,770 --> 00:46:44,660
If I was only smart enough to put shirts back

1341
00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:45,620
on the right hangers.

1342
00:46:46,420 --> 00:46:46,780
(laughing)

1343
00:46:46,780 --> 00:46:47,500
- There's no way I would know.

1344
00:46:48,359 --> 00:46:49,080
- Remembering, yes.

1345
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,060
That's smart though.

1346
00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:51,000
I should start doing that.

1347
00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:55,500
- So like, if I were to buy 100 RFID pills,

1348
00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:57,400
you know, I'm just imagining a little penny like.

1349
00:46:57,820 --> 00:46:58,360
- Sure, yeah.

1350
00:46:58,820 --> 00:46:59,220
- Are they pills?

1351
00:46:59,260 --> 00:46:59,520
- They're like

1352
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:00,000
stickers.

1353
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,600
- I mean, I see stickers.

1354
00:47:02,420 --> 00:47:03,400
Okay, I guess they're stickers.

1355
00:47:05,220 --> 00:47:07,140
I guess, why not just buy 100 of them

1356
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:08,540
and just make an app that's like,

1357
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,480
One through a hundred and you just stick them all and then I guess you

1358
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,900
the reader and then you have a bunch of where's the reader?

1359
00:47:17,780 --> 00:47:18,980
The toolbox makes sense have

1360
00:47:18,980 --> 00:47:21,760
to buy it. You're right. How big would the readers be?

1361
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,100
I think this would be so cool like every junk drawer every junk bag.

1362
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,860
It seems like a like a

1363
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:35,180
Dewalt or a craftsman or a Milwaukee could just like shoehorn this into all their existing stuff kind of like others like the

1364
00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:38,560
works with Apple find my program where like

1365
00:47:39,580 --> 00:47:46,400
They're shipping the tools and the cheap whatever's with the tags built-in or the sticker pack that you could add on after the fact

1366
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:49,440
That would be worth it for like any contractor

1367
00:47:50,780 --> 00:47:54,820
tool that's hundreds of dollars maybe right like

1368
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:55,880
every

1369
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:56,760
only string

1370
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:57,680
trimmer and

1371
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:59,480
leaf blower and

1372
00:48:00,380 --> 00:48:02,120
Yeah, all that stuff that

1373
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,079
alone. That's the market

1374
00:48:05,020 --> 00:48:07,240
- Oh, you can make billions on that, man.

1375
00:48:07,660 --> 00:48:09,660
Every contractor would just have to buy it.

1376
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:13,080
- This is why I get so frustrated with the tech industry,

1377
00:48:13,260 --> 00:48:15,900
'cause it's like, this is not rocket surgery.

1378
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:18,520
This is something that has been in practice

1379
00:48:18,660 --> 00:48:21,360
for a long time, but they keep reinventing it.

1380
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,460
- Yep, yep, yep.

1381
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:23,860
- Is it too complicated?

1382
00:48:24,140 --> 00:48:25,160
Like, what is so unattractive?

1383
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,400
- I think it's too simple,

1384
00:48:26,540 --> 00:48:27,140
that's the problem.

1385
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:27,680
(laughing)

1386
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:28,880
- It's too simple.

1387
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:30,040
- It's hard to monetize.

1388
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:30,840
- Can't make enough money

1389
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:31,220
off of

1390
00:48:31,220 --> 00:48:31,400
it.

1391
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:32,180
- Yeah.

1392
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:33,140
- Like

1393
00:48:33,140 --> 00:48:34,000
air tags like went

1394
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:34,420
next

1395
00:48:34,420 --> 00:48:35,300
level with it, right?

1396
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:35,740
You're

1397
00:48:35,740 --> 00:48:35,920
saying, right?

1398
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,260
- But then that's a closed ecosystem.

1399
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,960
- Like the air tag has some benefits,

1400
00:48:40,660 --> 00:48:41,800
but then everybody's like,

1401
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:44,380
well, if it can't do what an air tag does, it's useless.

1402
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:45,600
(laughing)

1403
00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:46,180
- Totally.

1404
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:46,820
- That's right.

1405
00:48:47,980 --> 00:48:49,540
Maybe it's just not branded well.

1406
00:48:49,580 --> 00:48:51,220
Is it like too open source?

1407
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,000
Is it open source, is that why?

1408
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:54,800
Maybe that's why it's too simple.

1409
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:55,300
- It is kind

1410
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:56,780
of an open standard anyone could make.

1411
00:48:57,140 --> 00:48:57,280
Yeah.

1412
00:48:58,060 --> 00:49:01,319
It's hard to make a closed walled garden around this

1413
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,280
because it's all so open.

1414
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:03,800
Yeah.

1415
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:07,300
It does seem like there's, if not a business out of there,

1416
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:10,080
at least like a Gritfinity type, you know,

1417
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,360
group of people who come together and make some like,

1418
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,940
"We hacked together a thing for this."

1419
00:49:15,940 --> 00:49:19,680
Well, dear listener, if you are looking for your tools

1420
00:49:19,860 --> 00:49:22,340
and still can't find them, thanks for listening.

1421
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:23,560
We hope you enjoyed yourself.

1422
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:25,140
And thank you so much, Alec, for being on here.

1423
00:49:25,180 --> 00:49:25,800
This was awesome.

1424
00:49:26,420 --> 00:49:27,060
- Oh, it was my pleasure.

1425
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,120
Thank you for inviting me.

1426
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:29,279
- Oh, that's a delight. - I hope my idea

1427
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,060
was worthy of being on

1428
00:49:31,060 --> 00:49:31,260
here.

1429
00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:32,480
- Of course, of course.

1430
00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:33,900
- Oh yeah, oh yeah.

1431
00:49:34,060 --> 00:49:35,640
- I've been thinking about it for a long time.

1432
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:37,220
- Great.

1433
00:49:37,540 --> 00:49:38,580
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