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I'm Scott, I'm Russell, and I'm Leo.

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This is Spitball.

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Welcome to Spitball, where three gigabit gurus and a guest empty our heads of startup and

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tech product ideas that we have stuck up in there so you can all have them for free.

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Anything we say is yours to keep.

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And this week I brought our guest.

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I am delighted to introduce you all to Marcus.

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My friend Marcus is a developer.

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He is a tech enthusiast.

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He is a small business owner, consultant,

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and he's gonna fit in perfectly

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with the vibes that we're going for here.

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Marcus, welcome to Spitball.

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- Hi guys, how's it going?

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- I'm so glad you're here.

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This is gonna be fun.

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To get us warmed up this week,

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I have a game that I'm gonna call this time,

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Root Cause Roulette.

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One of my favorite, in the spirit of Marcus,

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my friend being a customer service help desk person in our day jobs. I am going to take

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some inspiration from one of the best podcasts ever, Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me, and radio

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show, I guess, too. And give a little, not my job, by giving you guys a story from the

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subreddit r/talesfromtechsupport. And I want you guys, I have a story, and then I want

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to give you three options for how that problem was resolved. And I want you to guess which

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real one. We're going to

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start as we always do with our guest, Marcus. Marcus,

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I got to tell you a story about Tales from Tech Support. One time a user reported that

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every morning for a short time around the same time each day, their computer would have

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a beeping sound. It would last for just a moment or two, and then it would stop. Troubleshooting

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finally found the issue, and it was when the tech stayed in the room and found that the

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source of the sound was which of these? A, an alarm clock in Windows that for some reason

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came set out of the box on gateway computers, B) the user had left a 10-hour intermittent

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beeping YouTube video on loop without realizing it, or C) the user's office was next to the

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company loading dock and it was the sound of the UPS truck backing up each morning.

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Which of those is

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the real problem that they had found?

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Uh, man, those are all awful answers.

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Do you need them again?

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I would have to go with the first one.

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The alarm clock in

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Windows, I

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fooled you.

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the UPS

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truck.

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- No way. - It's gotta be C.

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- Yeah. - I thought it was either A

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or C.

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- Some guy was like,

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I don't think that's coming from your computer.

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And they looked back there and sure enough,

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it was the truck out the window.

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- There's no way. - Amazing.

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- Scott. - Yeah, me.

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- In a small IT office,

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the entire network mysteriously went down one day.

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When the IT tech finally arrived,

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like an outsourced third-party IT tech,

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he discovered that what had happened.

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A, the free roaming office mascot,

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hamster had chewed through every single ethernet cable.

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B, the clients had thrown away the server claiming quote, they

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couldn't turn it on and no one uses that computer anyway, or C,

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a new microwave upstairs had permanently disabled their office

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router systems, wifi access points.

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That has to be B.

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It just seems so real.

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It is.

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It is B.

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only had they unplugged

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their computer, thrown it in the dumpster

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out back, but by the time the tech arrived, the garbage truck had

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collected the jig and they had thrown

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away their server with all of their company files

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and the last time they'd done a backup was over a year ago.

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no one sits at that computer throw it away.

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So good.

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Russell a proud IT father on this subreddit was watching his toddler play with a toy laptop when

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it stopped flashing lights and making sounds like it was supposed to.

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What did the man's toddler do to fix it?

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A. He watched his kid crawl over to the batteries drawer, fetch two batteries, use a screwdriver

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for the first time and successfully replace them.

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B. He threw it away and begged to go to the Apple store to buy a new one.

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C. He paused, used the power switch to turn it off and then back on again.

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as a father of a toddler, a three year old now, I'm very curious what

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That's why I picked you for this one.

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Man, you know, it's not going to be two.

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I think it might be three.

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He's gonna turn it off and on again.

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- It is three, it's a great

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It's like one of the top posts of the whole, all time.

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I watched my kid turn it off and on again.

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He's an IT genius.

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(laughing)

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One more time through.

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Marcus, a tech's boss, the CEO of the company,

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was complaining incessantly about his new laptop's mouse

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being quote, jittery.

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How did the tech fix the issue?

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A, he cosmetically cleaned the mouse,

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put it in a bag and gave it to the boss

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as his new replacement mouse.

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B, he dunked it in a bag of rice overnight.

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or C, he dropped it out of the office's five-story window and it magically started working.

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Oh my god. Why do I feel like it's C?

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No, right?

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That is so ridiculous. Yeah, I'll go with C.

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The dude just cleaned the mouse and put it back in the box.

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Oh my god. Yeah, sorry that

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was happening, boss. Here's your,

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here's a, we got you a brand new one and the boss never said a word about it.

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Oh my god, that's hilarious.

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Scott,

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I have a one from Hope College.

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I have CIT lore that I'd love to share with you from my work and Marcus's job.

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Marcus, you might have heard this one, I don't know.

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A user was complaining years ago that they had an old-school 5 1/4 inch floppy disk drive

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that was failing to write files to the disk.

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What was the issue?

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A. Unbeknownst to him, his disk drive was filled with Apple Jacks cereal by his kids.

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B. The disk drive was actually a VHS recorder.

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Or C, the professor was writing the files,

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taking the disks out, and pop,

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magnet attaching their disk

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to the side of their filing cabinet.

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- That C seems like a realistic thing

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that could happen nowadays.

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- So specific.

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- That's exactly what it is.

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- He was grabbing his files,

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plunk,

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immediately erasing them by magneting them.

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- Why is it not working?

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- This did, something's wrong with the drive.

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My department replaced the drive twice,

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and then they said,

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show us

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what you're doing.

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(laughing)

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And Russell, let's finish it off.

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A user was intermittently getting a black screen

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but only when they were about to begin typing.

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Not when they typed,

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when they thought they were about to start typing.

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Why?

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What would end up being the root issue?

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A, the user had a magnet clasp on their watch band,

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and whenever they'd get near the palm rest,

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the laptop would think the lid was closed.

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B, a hacker who turned out to be the rascally nephew

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was remoting into the computer and pranking her.

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Or C, the user was using a solar panel as a charger,

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and when a cloud went by, the laptop would run out of power.

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It's got to be the Apple Watch, or the magnet watch thing,

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because I feel like that's happened to me before.

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The answer was A, you are correct, and

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the user

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It took me a couple of weeks of like,

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why is this turning black sometimes?

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I don't get it, before I realized

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it was a magnet in my watch.

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Amazing.

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Very good.

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wasn't keeping track

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of who won,

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so I'm gonna go ahead and say Russell, you won.

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Well done this week.

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- Thank you.

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- Russell,

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you have earned the honor of kicking us off first.

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What do you got this week for us?

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- Okay, well, I don't know how I got the inspiration

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for this, but yeah, this idea is a third party

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bullshitter company, I don't know how else to call it.

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And so what we do is we provide bullshitting services.

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So if you wanted to be a leader that drove a million dollars in revenue at your

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organization, we'll be your reference.

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Did you need to give a competing offer that you need for your negotiation?

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We'll write you the competing offer letter.

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Did you need references?

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Like you worked at Twitter for a long time?

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I mean, we're the HR department chair that helped get you the job, you know,

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and saw your leadership abilities.

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Russell, this is brilliant.

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Why

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have we not done this?

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So, okay.

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That's it,

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we're a professional bullshitting company.

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We have phone lines, we have exit interviews,

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we'll go on your LinkedIn and put bullshit,

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like, you know, recommendations.

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Endorsed for works for SpaceX or whatever.

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Oh yeah, dude, we'll do it all, right?

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all right.

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That's it,

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that's it.

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Professional bullshitters.

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Is it like different tiers?

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Like you could say, oh, I worked as Apple

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as like a custodian, but like, no, I was in the C-suite

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and like that costs way more.

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- Oh yeah, 'cause we gotta put way more bullshit into it.

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Our bullshit meter needs to go up

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and your cost goes up, right?

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We have to come up with like PR, you know,

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we gotta have videos of you in front of a stage

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if you're a chief executive, you know?

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- You're great at screening people.

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- Presenting in front of millions.

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Yeah, you gotta, yeah.

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Make an about page, forge it on Apple's website.

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Oh, we got to do a lot.

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This is pretty much what Ringcam's org chart was already,

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wasn't it?

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It's exactly what it was, though.

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Like, our startup, we hire these interns or people,

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and we're like, look, we're not going to be able to pay you

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much, but we guarantee we're going to give you

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a good job by the end of this.

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Because we would use this as a reference,

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and this intern is all of a sudden the VP of sales

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or something on paper.

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And then they call our company, our hotline, like, oh, yeah,

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yeah, such and such.

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Best salesman we ever had.

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We've had him for years.

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them all great jobs, and they're all happy.

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Yeah, that's taking a page out of there.

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And why not, right?

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That's it.

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I feel like it'd be very useful for job hunts.

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But I was like, what else could you use it for?

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ways to do it.

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Yeah, have them submit a house offer.

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Surely this is fraud, right?

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I mean, I don't know.

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You could probably work out the deal.

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So it's like, oh, do you want to buy a house?

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Pretend to buy a house in my area.

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You know what I mean?

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Wow.

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I don't know.

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Why not?

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Shoot.

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It's so simple and so brilliant.

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It's just lying.

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Let's lie.

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I mean, there are some really powerful people

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that lie quite a lot and get away with it.

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You know what I mean?

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So why not just bring it to the masses?

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Why did the top 1% get to bullshit their way up to the top?

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This is for the mass market.

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I'm having trouble figuring out where the limit is

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before you're in legal trouble.

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Like, are there any of those examples

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that you could be taken to court for?

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Or all of those, like, liabilities for--

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That's a great question.

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Is

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there any consequence of a person out there

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acting under the guise of a company saying,

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"Yes, they worked at Twitter,"

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and when they actually didn't?

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Like, is that a legally chargeable offense?

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We need a lawyer.

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I think we could South Park our way through it.

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I think we could, honestly, like you just say--

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What does that mean?

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So you create a company named Twitter

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that sells grass clippings.

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And you tell him, yeah, he helped build the technology.

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Clipper.

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And all that stuff.

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And you just have him copy paste like a set of code

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that you gave him, right?

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I mean, I think technically you could--

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where's the line to say that he didn't do it,

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right?

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We paid him $300,000.

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a year, but he only worked there for three minutes.

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So

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there you go.

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Right.

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The pay sub $300

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,000 a year, but that's divided minutely.

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So he only got three minutes worth of it.

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I see

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the hourly rate.

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It's not a lie.

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Right.

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At that point,

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that's where the premium services, right?

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This company is going to own like hundreds of domains that are

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all for

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email addresses

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and stuff and fake video hosting and oh, that's fun.

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Yeah, no, I feel like companies nowadays don't really do their own, like, research.

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They're outsourcing it to a third party company.

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So I feel like a lot of this, I don't know.

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I just, I have to imagine there's a lot of stuff that goes under the radar.

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Yeah.

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It's harder and harder to figure out what random website is even owned by whom nowadays.

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Your who is's and stuff don't work anymore.

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Like it's, it said another way, it's easier to be anonymous on the internet as a business who's pretending to be something that they're not.

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So this is like the prime time to do something.

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No, no, that's so

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true.

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And kind of off topic, but like our local tulip time, like I'm assuming

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Holland did something with the website, but it's a tulip time.org.

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It's not tulip time.either.gov like you would expect.

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You know what I mean?

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So I thought that

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was weird, but

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it

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seemed like a legit website.

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Like it was like the city of Holland was promoting it.

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So, but why aren't they like associated?

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yeah yeah

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that is weird Russell I want you to come in next week with your

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anti-bullshitting pitch idea.

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Just disrupt the entire credibility of every

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single employee and fix it for

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a price.

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That's right brilliant that was brilliant

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I

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feel like Mark Cuban did that Mark Cuban had I was watching an interview

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with him where he literally bought a company

357
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that would go out and sleuth claims on the stock market.

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Like a company would be like,

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"Oh, we just opened this brand new warehouse,"

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and such and such, and their stock price would go up.

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He would actually send people to the warehouse,

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look at their utility bills and other things,

363
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like, "These guys don't even have internet at this place.

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"How

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could they possibly?

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"It's not worth

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it at all."

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And then just to cut the price back down.

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I don't know, I feel like that's

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where you're gonna be next week.

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- Whoa, that's interesting.

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Yeah, if these two companies are both secretly owned then you

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can have a monopoly on knowing

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which ones are bullshit

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And which ones are not and then sell that to the people who are interested in knowing

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Could I bullshit my other company up to like the to be grandiose like we were on tech crunch like we're here to stop

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Those bad people

378
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right there are bad people everywhere pretending that everyone worked for Twitter

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But we know that they didn't and we have a secret algorithm to know

380
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just make an LLC's every other

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day

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Here's Joe,

383
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he worked at Twitter from start to finish

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and was an HR employee that saved some data about it.

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(laughing)

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- It's Russell's all the way down.

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- Just me.

388
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- Just me all the way down.

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- It says Russell's all the way down.

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(laughing)

391
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Okay, what about for you guys, your role at IT?

392
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You could totally, I could totally forge a Cisco

393
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or a Lenovo letter that says, you're broken.

394
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The thing is broken, or hey, nope,

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they've done everything in their power.

396
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Leo and Marcus have done everything in their power

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to solve the issue.

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It's a manufacturer error.

399
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I need to buy new equipment, right?

400
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Or something

401
00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:52,680
crazy like

402
00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:53,320
that, right?

403
00:14:54,420 --> 00:14:56,860
Russell, I have so little trust in the system already

404
00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,720
and now you're just deteriorating the rest of it.

405
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What about if we sell people

406
00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:03,400
literal

407
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lies?

408
00:15:05,580 --> 00:15:06,780
You're buying them though.

409
00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:07,380
That's the other

410
00:15:07,380 --> 00:15:07,620
thing.

411
00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,080
People are buying lies.

412
00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,780
Dear IT manager, it's me, Mr. Lenovo.

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00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:15,620
I promise.

414
00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,740
Shit's real bad over there and he needs a new computer.

415
00:15:19,300 --> 00:15:20,340
Please buy it from us.

416
00:15:20,660 --> 00:15:21,100
Lenovo.

417
00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:22,780
Here's a fake

418
00:15:22,780 --> 00:15:24,240
coupon that I generated.

419
00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:26,740
Hi, I'm Todd Lenovo.

420
00:15:29,740 --> 00:15:33,620
I've known Rob Lenovo for years and he is a truthful man.

421
00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,380
And then all of a sudden it just goes through a full loop.

422
00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,400
You just find some guy in Instagram,

423
00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:41,660
Nape, Rob, Lenovo.

424
00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:43,140
Could you say

425
00:15:43,140 --> 00:15:43,360
this?

426
00:15:43,420 --> 00:15:44,320
I'll pay you a hundred dollars.

427
00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:45,740
- Cameo.

428
00:15:47,500 --> 00:15:49,320
- I want a fake doctor's note from this, Russell.

429
00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:51,400
There we go.

430
00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:52,980
Fake doctor's notes.

431
00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:55,160
- Bonespurs,

432
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can't go to Vietnam.

433
00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,240
- Airlines, I don't know if you can like

434
00:15:59,540 --> 00:16:00,760
fake a certificate to

435
00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,020
change an airline date.

436
00:16:02,420 --> 00:16:03,780
Like, I think there's a couple

437
00:16:03,860 --> 00:16:05,340
of fake certificates or

438
00:16:05,340 --> 00:16:06,180
something, you know?

439
00:16:06,180 --> 00:16:06,760
- Oh my God.

440
00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,080
You need to reschedule your vacation,

441
00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,940
but you didn't pay for the insurance thing.

442
00:16:11,140 --> 00:16:13,140
So I hire you to make a lie about,

443
00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:15,880
man, you're gonna kill a lot of grandmas in this.

444
00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:18,820
- Rest in peace, grandma.

445
00:16:19,190 --> 00:16:20,400
I need to change a flight.

446
00:16:21,940 --> 00:16:22,800
Grandma 48.

447
00:16:28,620 --> 00:16:31,660
Alrighty, Scotty B, what do you got for us this week?

448
00:16:32,140 --> 00:16:35,300
- All right, I actually want to do a Russell's Love Corner.

449
00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:36,560
- Oh, baby.

450
00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:37,180
Give the music.

451
00:16:37,180 --> 00:16:37,580
Oh, yeah.

452
00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:55,040
In addition, I am so sorry, guys,

453
00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,200
but I have to put money into the AI swear jar.

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Oh.

455
00:16:58,460 --> 00:16:58,720
I

456
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know.

457
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Everybody's going to

458
00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:00,060
talk about AI

459
00:17:00,060 --> 00:17:00,400
again.

460
00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:01,300
I know.

461
00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:02,140
Wow,

462
00:17:02,140 --> 00:17:02,720
how original.

463
00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:03,380
So

464
00:17:03,380 --> 00:17:05,639
last time I was traveling, I was

465
00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,819
flipping through TV and Hitch was on with Will Smith and if you guys remember

466
00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,680
that movie he's just like a real-time dating advice wingman and I'm sitting

467
00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:18,860
like why we could do this now we can just have a little Will Smith sitting in

468
00:17:18,900 --> 00:17:23,060
your ear is a little hidden earpiece and then just that is listening to the

469
00:17:23,180 --> 00:17:27,220
entire conversation and just giving you little tips or jabs or being like hey

470
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they're losing interest on you on here or hey you should ask them about this

471
00:17:31,500 --> 00:17:38,560
because this is relevant to it. I went on a date once with a girl. It was she was

472
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so nervous that she had brought flashcards with her to the date and was

473
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reading them under

474
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the table as props as in she would look down suddenly go do

475
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you have any pets? And I like you know it's very I didn't call her out or

476
00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,000
anything on it but it was quite obvious what was happening

477
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on there and

478
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I think

479
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I feel like we could do this in a much better and more subtle way. The one that

480
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- I got away, Scott.

481
00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:01,860
I'm kidding,

482
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I'm kidding.

483
00:18:02,420 --> 00:18:02,540
(laughing)

484
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I got away.

485
00:18:03,300 --> 00:18:04,140
- Don't listen, don't

486
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listen.

487
00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:04,900
- Where is,

488
00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:05,060
do

489
00:18:05,060 --> 00:18:05,740
you have any pets

490
00:18:05,740 --> 00:18:06,880
flashcard girl now?

491
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(laughing)

492
00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:07,740
- I have

493
00:18:07,740 --> 00:18:08,380
no idea.

494
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- So like, I mean, this would be, I think with Zoom

495
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and like a smart, like a hidden camera,

496
00:18:16,540 --> 00:18:18,760
a little bit of a, I mean, you could do this

497
00:18:18,860 --> 00:18:20,860
with real people.

498
00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:23,080
I feel like AI would be great too,

499
00:18:23,180 --> 00:18:25,780
but I think just in general,

500
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I would love to be a wingman to some dude

501
00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,920
in the earpiece or whatever, right?

502
00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:32,240
- Oh, I see.

503
00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:33,740
You actually hire a real person.

504
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- The surveillance

505
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van out in the outside of the restaurant

506
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Nathan Fielder style.

507
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- Is that

508
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creepier?

509
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I don't even know.

510
00:18:41,780 --> 00:18:42,880
It's already creepy to start with.

511
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Actually, I kind of liked that.

512
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- You

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00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:45,500
guys know the Be My Eyes app?

514
00:18:46,220 --> 00:18:48,940
There's an app for if you have vision impairments,

515
00:18:49,020 --> 00:18:51,120
you can get randomly matched up with somebody

516
00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,220
who has installed the app, who is sighted,

517
00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,740
who can, you know, what color are these shoes

518
00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,519
or how many calories are in this can of beans

519
00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,100
or whatever, you spin up a quick video call.

520
00:19:00,780 --> 00:19:03,020
You could almost have a matching service

521
00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,440
where you install Dating Wing Man

522
00:19:05,450 --> 00:19:07,580
and say, "I'm interested in giving advice

523
00:19:07,820 --> 00:19:08,940
"or taking advice."

524
00:19:08,940 --> 00:19:10,680
And then you get a phone call out of nowhere

525
00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:12,320
that's like, "Hey, I'm on a date right now.

526
00:19:12,380 --> 00:19:13,500
"Would you mind moderating?"

527
00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:15,500
Or whatever. (laughs)

528
00:19:15,540 --> 00:19:16,640
Russell, you were saying you wanted

529
00:19:16,700 --> 00:19:17,640
to be one of these people.

530
00:19:17,670 --> 00:19:19,140
Are you saying that you're waiting

531
00:19:19,260 --> 00:19:22,580
for someone in particular to ask?

532
00:19:23,420 --> 00:19:24,140
- Or I

533
00:19:24,140 --> 00:19:25,800
guess I'd be like, "Sure, dude.

534
00:19:25,820 --> 00:19:28,380
I'll listen in and just give you encouragement,

535
00:19:28,620 --> 00:19:30,740
but also like tips or something.

536
00:19:30,820 --> 00:19:32,940
I don't know, like, hey, you're joking.

537
00:19:33,140 --> 00:19:35,680
Just, I don't know, like ask a--

538
00:19:36,180 --> 00:19:37,160
- Ask her if she has any pets.

539
00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:38,780
- Follow up on that question, dude.

540
00:19:38,940 --> 00:19:39,500
I don't know.

541
00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,160
I might not be the best for this,

542
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,020
but like I'm sure there'd be people out there

543
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,180
that'd be like really good.

544
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,160
I mean, even if it's just audio, right?

545
00:19:47,500 --> 00:19:49,180
Video would be great.

546
00:19:49,380 --> 00:19:50,120
I don't know how you would,

547
00:19:50,300 --> 00:19:51,780
I guess, is that what you were thinking, Scott?

548
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:52,480
Just audio?

549
00:19:52,940 --> 00:19:53,739
Earbuds? - I was just thinking

550
00:19:53,740 --> 00:19:55,540
purely audio all the way through.

551
00:19:56,220 --> 00:19:58,360
Yeah, I guess you might need video cues though.

552
00:19:58,780 --> 00:20:01,120
I mean, you don't even have to have it like talking to you.

553
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,440
You could just have it like one buzz means this,

554
00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,900
two buzz means change the topic, and three.

555
00:20:06,820 --> 00:20:08,240
- Yeah, you can have it on your Apple Watch too.

556
00:20:08,580 --> 00:20:09,500
It's not just an app.

557
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:09,960
- It's just

558
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,600
an app on your Apple Watch.

559
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:12,840
- You're just watching, you're

560
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:13,460
just looking at it.

561
00:20:13,660 --> 00:20:13,740
- Yeah,

562
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:14,540
it's got a microphone.

563
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:16,100
- That might look bad too

564
00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:17,560
if you're just constantly looking at your watch.

565
00:20:18,140 --> 00:20:18,740
Stop looking at me.

566
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:19,460
- Wait for the buzzes.

567
00:20:19,860 --> 00:20:20,400
- The buzzes.

568
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:21,540
Yeah, it could be buzzes.

569
00:20:21,540 --> 00:20:21,800
- Morse

570
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:22,100
code.

571
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,940
So this is technically legal in most states

572
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,860
that are one-party recording consent states.

573
00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:33,040
We're not worried at all about introducing and normalizing,

574
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,800
just recording people without them knowing.

575
00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:37,960
We're all good with

576
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:38,120
that.

577
00:20:38,180 --> 00:20:38,860
Yeah, totally fine with that.

578
00:20:39,620 --> 00:20:41,180
Ring doorbells do that all the time, right?

579
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,020
And we love it, how they give all the footage to the police.

580
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:45,520
We love it.

581
00:20:45,580 --> 00:20:45,680
Oh,

582
00:20:45,780 --> 00:20:45,940
yeah.

583
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,920
And posting it on Ring share community, it's like, oops.

584
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:52,180
Walking my dog.

585
00:20:52,180 --> 00:20:52,740
Is it actually

586
00:20:52,740 --> 00:20:54,680
recording if there's no transcript after?

587
00:20:55,180 --> 00:20:55,960
Does that still count?

588
00:20:56,220 --> 00:20:58,540
Yeah, I think so, as long as it's getting processed.

589
00:20:59,000 --> 00:20:59,240
We'll

590
00:20:59,240 --> 00:20:59,780
erase it.

591
00:21:00,060 --> 00:21:01,160
We'll erase it at the end.

592
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:01,620
Oh.

593
00:21:02,220 --> 00:21:02,360
Right?

594
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:02,840
Great.

595
00:21:02,980 --> 00:21:03,780
That's it.

596
00:21:04,260 --> 00:21:04,580
I swear,

597
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:05,760
Your Honor, I erased it.

598
00:21:05,780 --> 00:21:07,580
I don't do anything weird with all this video

599
00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:09,020
that I'm recording and storing.

600
00:21:09,020 --> 00:21:10,240
We trained the AI

601
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,000
model and then deleted the file.

602
00:21:12,300 --> 00:21:13,520
So it's not there anymore.

603
00:21:14,620 --> 00:21:18,260
If it's listening, you might not need it to record anything.

604
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,540
but if there's an awkward

605
00:21:20,540 --> 00:21:22,080
pause or something,

606
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,400
or you're rambling for too long,

607
00:21:27,020 --> 00:21:28,440
maybe just measure how

608
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:29,320
much you're talking

609
00:21:29,370 --> 00:21:31,120
versus how much the other person's talking

610
00:21:31,740 --> 00:21:32,900
and help scoreboard.

611
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:33,440
- Yeah,

612
00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:34,020
you can get

613
00:21:34,020 --> 00:21:35,260
some good stats out of that.

614
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:37,100
- Right. - Use the

615
00:21:37,100 --> 00:21:37,800
mood radar.

616
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,740
- Like if it's a one-sided conversation,

617
00:21:41,860 --> 00:21:44,120
on your side of the house,

618
00:21:44,260 --> 00:21:45,100
like this thing will help

619
00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:46,400
you like, stop talking.

620
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:47,740
Like buzz buzz.

621
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,960
You talked for five minutes straight, you know, or something.

622
00:21:53,540 --> 00:21:56,600
There's probably other scenarios like that where it would be really helpful to

623
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:57,380
catch

624
00:21:57,660 --> 00:21:57,940
yourself

625
00:21:57,940 --> 00:22:00,300
in some of the common issues,

626
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:00,860
right?

627
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,220
And then yeah, stats and tracking

628
00:22:03,220 --> 00:22:05,060
and all that stuff would be really interesting too.

629
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:06,980
You cursed 45

630
00:22:06,980 --> 00:22:07,560
times.

631
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:10,360
Not great for a first date.

632
00:22:10,940 --> 00:22:11,120
Yeah.

633
00:22:11,420 --> 00:22:13,300
You brought up your exes four times.

634
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:14,080
(laughing)

635
00:22:16,060 --> 00:22:17,520
- I'll just make a bingo card by the

636
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:17,800
end.

637
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:18,920
Red flag

638
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:19,240
bingo.

639
00:22:19,940 --> 00:22:20,760
- What if it just recorded,

640
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,880
I mean like even if it just recorded your own voice

641
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:23,920
the whole time, right?

642
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,140
To remove the legality of it all, right?

643
00:22:26,220 --> 00:22:27,880
Like if it just recorded what you were saying.

644
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,920
- How does it only do your voice?

645
00:22:32,180 --> 00:22:33,640
- That's for the engineers. - Engineers will figure it out.

646
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:34,300
(laughing)

647
00:22:34,650 --> 00:22:34,960
- Don't worry

648
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:35,300
about it.

649
00:22:35,420 --> 00:22:37,660
- Yeah, Apple already figured that out, voice isolation.

650
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,040
So, you don't have to worry about that.

651
00:22:39,130 --> 00:22:39,220
- Boom.

652
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,400
- I think we've talked about this on the show before,

653
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,120
but Amazon had that Halo wristband.

654
00:22:43,220 --> 00:22:43,740
They were gonna like

655
00:22:43,740 --> 00:22:46,180
dip into the fitness trackers thing and one of the

656
00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:48,740
one of the key features that

657
00:22:49,310 --> 00:22:52,440
Maybe made it fail that people were not interested in was that it would

658
00:22:53,180 --> 00:22:58,380
Listen to you all day and say you were really angry sounding today at these points and here's some points where you were

659
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,200
You should change your tone when you're talking to that person and stuff

660
00:23:01,570 --> 00:23:04,760
I don't think people like that very much. I don't know if the world's ready for your idea

661
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:05,360
Yeah,

662
00:23:05,980 --> 00:23:09,219
I I still just I want to take it back to the basics. I guess it's basics

663
00:23:09,220 --> 00:23:11,340
I want Will Smith's voice in my

664
00:23:11,340 --> 00:23:11,600
ear,

665
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,760
and I want him listening to both sides

666
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:14,320
of the conversation,

667
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,380
even if it's only allowed in certain states.

668
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:17,940
- Just step to the left, snap.

669
00:23:18,020 --> 00:23:19,960
- And giving prodding me in the right direction.

670
00:23:20,300 --> 00:23:20,780
- Ask if they

671
00:23:20,780 --> 00:23:21,400
have any pets.

672
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:22,260
- Ask

673
00:23:22,260 --> 00:23:23,480
if they have any pets.

674
00:23:24,020 --> 00:23:25,500
- Okay, I'm seeing what you're saying.

675
00:23:26,020 --> 00:23:29,140
So if I had Hitch, not Will Smith, Hitch, right?

676
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:29,340
'Cause

677
00:23:29,340 --> 00:23:30,100
he's gonna make

678
00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:31,060
me slap, you know,

679
00:23:31,340 --> 00:23:32,440
Chris whatever,

680
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:32,980
Chris

681
00:23:32,980 --> 00:23:33,580
Rock on

682
00:23:33,580 --> 00:23:34,060
stage.

683
00:23:34,340 --> 00:23:34,640
It was real.

684
00:23:35,420 --> 00:23:36,680
But I mean like, yeah, Hitch,

685
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:36,980
right?

686
00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:38,820
hitting us with that current event.

687
00:23:39,260 --> 00:23:41,440
It's the hottest gossip of a year and a half ago.

688
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,660
- This episode was recorded a year and a half ago.

689
00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:46,740
(laughing)

690
00:23:48,220 --> 00:23:50,820
No, I mean, I haven't watched Hitch in a while,

691
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,640
but he's just like a pro then, right?

692
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,640
He just knows what you should say.

693
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,540
- All right, so we're several minutes into this pitch now.

694
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:58,860
I can ask, what's Hitch about?

695
00:23:59,010 --> 00:23:59,480
- You haven't seen

696
00:23:59,480 --> 00:23:59,720
Hitch?

697
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,920
- No, and maybe some listeners haven't either.

698
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:03,060
- Oops.

699
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:04,600
- Will Smith is

700
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:04,760
a--

701
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:05,360
- Will Smith is a

702
00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:05,940
dating coach.

703
00:24:06,020 --> 00:24:07,600
- Dating coach, and that's it.

704
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:08,100
- Okay.

705
00:24:08,460 --> 00:24:10,060
- There wasn't any more that I needed then.

706
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:10,540
I got it.

707
00:24:10,620 --> 00:24:10,720
- Nope.

708
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:11,220
- All right.

709
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:12,880
Cool.

710
00:24:13,100 --> 00:24:15,020
- But he's a mastermind though.

711
00:24:16,220 --> 00:24:17,960
He's not just a regular dating coach.

712
00:24:18,820 --> 00:24:20,060
He's a super pro.

713
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,100
- Does he listen to the date?

714
00:24:23,060 --> 00:24:24,300
- No, he coaches and then

715
00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:25,280
they go on that date, right?

716
00:24:25,540 --> 00:24:26,220
- Yeah, that's it.

717
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,360
- Well, shoot, that might even be good too.

718
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:29,320
- Maybe you need that.

719
00:24:29,620 --> 00:24:31,080
Yeah, it sounds like your AI hitch

720
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,280
wouldn't happen during the date.

721
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:33,760
- I don't know, I just keep coming

722
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,019
back to Flashcard Girl

723
00:24:35,020 --> 00:24:37,000
and I'm like, if she had something to do with it,

724
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:37,240
that was

725
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,240
driving the conversation

726
00:24:38,380 --> 00:24:39,640
of just a little prod in the right direction.

727
00:24:39,660 --> 00:24:40,140
- Pets!

728
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:42,380
You need more pets!

729
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,720
Sorry, I'm having a hard time hearing you.

730
00:24:45,940 --> 00:24:47,940
There's something screaming in my ear, pets, pets,

731
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:48,300
pets.

732
00:24:49,380 --> 00:24:50,500
- Dude, what's another example?

733
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:51,520
Hitch meant something,

734
00:24:51,620 --> 00:24:52,700
I only remember the dance

735
00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:53,220
move thing.

736
00:24:53,740 --> 00:24:56,380
There was other steps, there was other stuff in Hitch

737
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,620
that was really like, oh man.

738
00:24:58,860 --> 00:25:02,400
He just got you to a base level of cool, it sounds like,

739
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,600
Just to get past all that awkwardness,

740
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,360
that's what--

741
00:25:07,620 --> 00:25:07,980
That was the

742
00:25:07,980 --> 00:25:08,200
big

743
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,840
thing, get past all the awkwardness.

744
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:10,640
Hey, here's how

745
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,400
you break the touch barrier on a first date,

746
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,140
where you lightly put your hand on their back

747
00:25:14,140 --> 00:25:15,460
or something when you're leaning forward.

748
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,180
And here's how you do such and such.

749
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,720
Duolingo has a paid premium tier,

750
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,720
but then they also have an extra, extra, extra premium

751
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:23,820
tier called Max.

752
00:25:24,620 --> 00:25:28,400
And it lets you use AI to have video calls

753
00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:30,500
with fake characters.

754
00:25:30,820 --> 00:25:32,260
And they're not real video calls, of course,

755
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:35,880
with its AI driven character, like cartoon characters,

756
00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:38,620
and you practice speaking the language you wanna learn.

757
00:25:39,140 --> 00:25:39,580
- That's awesome.

758
00:25:39,740 --> 00:25:42,860
- Would you be able to do that, but dating coach?

759
00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:43,880
- Practice dates.

760
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,400
- Yeah. - That's it.

761
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,620
- Whoa, there's the pivot, I like that.

762
00:25:47,820 --> 00:25:49,320
- So you're firing up a Zoom call,

763
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,560
but it's actually Will Smith. (laughs)

764
00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:53,560
And he says, "All right, we're gonna hop

765
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:54,540
"into this first date."

766
00:25:54,540 --> 00:25:56,420
And then you switch to a cartoon

767
00:25:56,780 --> 00:25:58,920
of whatever sex you're interested in

768
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,820
at the table in the restaurant,

769
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,720
and you have a two minute back and forth,

770
00:26:03,780 --> 00:26:05,360
and then it tells you what you did wrong.

771
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:06,200
And then

772
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,740
you end your game at halfway through

773
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:08,680
and all these Zoom calls,

774
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,500
and they actually switch over to a real person,

775
00:26:10,660 --> 00:26:11,260
but you don't even

776
00:26:11,260 --> 00:26:11,620
know it.

777
00:26:12,220 --> 00:26:15,180
- Whoa, this whole time you've been speed dating on Zoom.

778
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:16,360
(laughing)

779
00:26:18,820 --> 00:26:20,320
- That would be so cool though.

780
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:21,300
That'd be such a twist.

781
00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:22,700
Like actually that was a real,

782
00:26:23,180 --> 00:26:26,020
I was, she was training and I was training her

783
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:27,460
and you at the same time.

784
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:27,900
And you guys - It's

785
00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:29,299
just all humans. (laughing)

786
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,600
And literally, it's just like a Zoom chat.

787
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,900
Like, the guy's just like, "Hey, you should talk more."

788
00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:37,800
Like, "Hey, you should talk, you know, like, stop talking."

789
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:38,600
- I think that

790
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,640
Hard Fork, the New York Times podcast,

791
00:26:40,980 --> 00:26:43,620
did an episode about Tinder doing something

792
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,080
kind of like this, where it'll like simulate a phone call

793
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,940
with a fake potential love interest,

794
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:50,980
first date type person,

795
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,160
and you kind of have a back and forth,

796
00:26:52,260 --> 00:26:53,060
but it really it's AI,

797
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,580
and then it cuts off the call after a minute and says,

798
00:26:55,660 --> 00:26:57,360
"Yeah, here's how your small talk went.

799
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:58,000
"It wasn't great.

800
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,340
Consider focusing more on blah blah blah and tries to give you like first date feedback

801
00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:06,600
So there might be something to this seems like other people are playing in this space

802
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:12,480
Dude, that'd be just so funny if Duolingo just came out with like a quiz like what are you doing the first date?

803
00:27:15,940 --> 00:27:16,600
What language

804
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,300
do you want to learn the language of love

805
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,080
Is chivalry dead

806
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,280
Depends on who you ask. Yeah,

807
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:31,840
see there'd have to be levels to it because it depends on what generation of woman that you're going for

808
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,220
Yeah, cuz yeah,

809
00:27:33,220 --> 00:27:38,340
the older women are gonna want that man who lays their jacket down, but if you're a young

810
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,660
Rizzler, you know

811
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,740
You can't be doing nothing. That's

812
00:27:45,940 --> 00:27:46,500
Skippity

813
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:47,060
questionable

814
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:51,940
I

815
00:27:51,940 --> 00:27:52,280
don't know if

816
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,480
I used that terminology correctly.

817
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:56,320
How old is she?

818
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:58,400
All right, don't open doors.

819
00:27:59,020 --> 00:27:59,540
Right.

820
00:28:00,740 --> 00:28:02,800
Eat when the food's down, not when she gets her.

821
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:06,380
Hitch, you know, Hitch Live is like

822
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:08,920
the premium, super premium

823
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:09,600
product, Scott,

824
00:28:09,740 --> 00:28:09,880
that

825
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,760
you get after you've launched your

826
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,940
training service.

827
00:28:14,260 --> 00:28:16,860
Your live Zoom, you know, like literally,

828
00:28:17,180 --> 00:28:19,360
Flashcard Girl could have done AI

829
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:20,560
Scott date,

830
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,760
And instead of doing the,

831
00:28:22,060 --> 00:28:23,920
she could have the flashcards then,

832
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,540
but not when she's

833
00:28:25,540 --> 00:28:26,180
on the date,

834
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:26,400
'cause

835
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,580
she'd take your images and put 'em on an AI avatar.

836
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:32,000
Not weird at all.

837
00:28:32,020 --> 00:28:32,460
- Not weird at all.

838
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:34,480
(group

839
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:34,480
laughing)

840
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,900
- Just flashcards through

841
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:39,880
the whole date, you know?

842
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:41,820
Then she'd memorize the questions.

843
00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:45,320
- So your service, a creeper goes to,

844
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,440
uploads a bunch of photos of his target,

845
00:28:48,220 --> 00:28:51,780
turns them into some sort of interactive bot that they fall in love with.

846
00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:52,720
Oh my god.

847
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,920
Why'd you say target acquired?

848
00:28:59,060 --> 00:28:59,700
Victim, sorry.

849
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:01,620
Target acquired.

850
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:02,300
Much better.

851
00:29:03,820 --> 00:29:04,620
AI uploading.

852
00:29:09,140 --> 00:29:09,740
Oh yeah.

853
00:29:11,140 --> 00:29:13,380
Alright, Leo, what have you brought us this week?

854
00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:15,560
I've got a banger for you this week, guys.

855
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:21,500
So all around us there are treasure hunts, easter egg hunts, whatever you want to call

856
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:28,060
it that kids would super enjoy to participate in, and they're called geocaches.

857
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:29,240
Geocaching!

858
00:29:29,690 --> 00:29:35,920
A fringe hobby for a couple of mapping nerds and cartography people and Xander and myself

859
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:37,280
and a few other friends of mine.

860
00:29:37,860 --> 00:29:40,640
It's something that's always interested me and something I've never really gotten into,

861
00:29:41,060 --> 00:29:46,200
And now that I have a couple of young ones, boy oh boy, would I love to introduce my five-year-old

862
00:29:46,340 --> 00:29:51,860
to, "Hey, did you know that people around the country and around the world hide secret

863
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,340
fun treasure dumps that we could go on adventures to go find?"

864
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:56,880
Dang, that would be so fun.

865
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,340
Right now, if you want to get a kid into geocaching, you have to buy an old Android phone and put

866
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,540
the geocaching app on it and hotspot it to your phone, and it works okay.

867
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:08,900
If they can read, maybe it'd be a little better,

868
00:30:09,060 --> 00:30:10,540
but if it's like a little kid, not really.

869
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,940
There were a couple of like kid-specific geocaching devices

870
00:30:15,030 --> 00:30:16,540
over the years, but they've come and gone.

871
00:30:16,980 --> 00:30:19,700
I want to create a pretty simple device.

872
00:30:20,060 --> 00:30:22,920
You've got handheld GPS, maybe it's got Bluetooth

873
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,420
so it can talk to a phone or something,

874
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,020
but it doesn't need connectivity itself.

875
00:30:26,540 --> 00:30:30,980
It's preloaded with some local geocache spots,

876
00:30:31,580 --> 00:30:35,080
and then it's talking to my phone, the parent, the guardian,

877
00:30:35,660 --> 00:30:37,640
who's controlling where we're headed

878
00:30:37,940 --> 00:30:41,180
and what hints are popping up with like a map and an arrow

879
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,600
and however much little detail that you wanna have,

880
00:30:44,180 --> 00:30:46,580
that's all like done on the parent side of stuff, right?

881
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,980
This could be dedicated hardware, that'd be really fun.

882
00:30:50,340 --> 00:30:51,960
This could even be like a web app

883
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:54,260
where like two different devices load the web app.

884
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,520
One says I'm the parent and one says I'm the kid

885
00:30:56,660 --> 00:30:58,260
and it uses the geocaching API

886
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,340
and you've got like two Android phones or whatever

887
00:31:00,820 --> 00:31:01,560
that have loaded it up,

888
00:31:01,740 --> 00:31:03,140
some old iPhone that you pull out of a drawer.

889
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,360
Whatever you wanna use to make this happen,

890
00:31:05,540 --> 00:31:09,260
It's very clear that geocaching is like a niche hobby.

891
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,820
And I think that kids are the way to make it go mainstream.

892
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:12,240
Right?

893
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:15,280
Like I know that there's a park that I can see

894
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,880
from my front yard that has a geocache in it.

895
00:31:18,020 --> 00:31:18,980
I've seen it once.

896
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:19,680
It's kind of neat.

897
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:22,920
It's a little like bullet sized piece of metal

898
00:31:23,140 --> 00:31:24,960
that is magneted under a sign.

899
00:31:25,180 --> 00:31:26,280
And you can like write your name.

900
00:31:26,380 --> 00:31:28,820
I found this on April, whatever, or May, whatever.

901
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,580
And then you put it back and that's it.

902
00:31:30,580 --> 00:31:31,100
We did it.

903
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:31,580
Woo hoo.

904
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,839
Some other geocaches have like little trinkets

905
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,980
people will leave that you can like go find and grab one of that's so fun and

906
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,700
that's totally the kind of thing that would inspire wonder in a kid right so

907
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:46,360
there needs to be a more accessible way to bring your kid along without having

908
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:51,300
to like pull up the geocaching account and sign up for geocaching premium and

909
00:31:51,340 --> 00:31:56,020
say yeah this modal dialogue says that we're 600 feet from this sign but the

910
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:58,820
hint is whatever like we need to make this kid-friendly

911
00:31:58,820 --> 00:32:00,279
I want to just design

912
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,060
the UI for that kid-friendly app because

913
00:32:03,060 --> 00:32:03,620
that sounds

914
00:32:03,620 --> 00:32:05,140
so much fun like a big

915
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,780
over-the-top cartoon radar or something.

916
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,080
Yeah, right.

917
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:09,820
Distance away.

918
00:32:10,540 --> 00:32:11,280
Pirate map.

919
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:12,180
Pirate map.

920
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:13,000
Yeah, that's brilliant.

921
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:13,640
Yes.

922
00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:15,120
A little treasure.

923
00:32:15,580 --> 00:32:18,440
It's got like the dotted lines and the X's and stuff.

924
00:32:18,890 --> 00:32:21,220
You can have the dotted line be where they've been so far,

925
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:21,660
the trail

926
00:32:21,660 --> 00:32:22,240
that they've laid.

927
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:22,500
Oh, yeah.

928
00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:24,040
Teach them how to read a map.

929
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,880
Oh, so this could be like a newspaper-sized E-ink tablet.

930
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:27,320
Okay.

931
00:32:27,630 --> 00:32:27,740
[laughter]

932
00:32:28,380 --> 00:32:28,820
Scroll.

933
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,240
There's bendable displays out there now. Marcus you have a little one would they

934
00:32:34,340 --> 00:32:36,720
be are they old enough to go on? Not quite yet.

935
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:39,580
No she she might like the end

936
00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:44,020
like actually opening the geocache but she's one and a half so. Okay yeah. Not

937
00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:44,620
quite yet. No.

938
00:32:44,780 --> 00:32:45,620
It's coming man.

939
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,080
No but I love the idea.

940
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,920
I'm on weekend duty what

941
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,580
do I do with my kid? My partner's out of town I need to find an activity this is

942
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,820
cheap or free this is outside.

943
00:32:56,380 --> 00:32:59,439
Yeah no I love the idea I've honestly I've wanted

944
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,180
to do geocaching, but I've never like had the time or it was never like that,

945
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:05,840
that exciting to me.

946
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,540
So yeah, I think you're right.

947
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,940
Like bringing a kid into it would make it way more enticing, especially

948
00:33:12,060 --> 00:33:12,960
for me having a daughter.

949
00:33:13,140 --> 00:33:13,280
Yeah.

950
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:17,420
I mean, this, this like for geocaching, like is one thing I bet you could

951
00:33:18,940 --> 00:33:21,480
create scavenger hunts and stuff too.

952
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,280
That would be like, I don't know if you wanted to build on top of it too,

953
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:31,260
like multiple geocaches or turn any walking experience to be better.

954
00:33:31,780 --> 00:33:31,940
Right.

955
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,820
Geocaching would be a layer you could add to the map.

956
00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:40,120
Parks, cool trees, events.

957
00:33:40,940 --> 00:33:41,300
I don't know.

958
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:41,780
Stuff like

959
00:33:41,780 --> 00:33:42,020
that.

960
00:33:42,110 --> 00:33:42,380
Stuff like that.

961
00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:43,080
Cool tree.

962
00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:43,580
Yeah.

963
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:46,780
The, this would be interesting to kids database.

964
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,160
There's a rock over here that looks crazy.

965
00:33:53,150 --> 00:33:54,980
I got to mark that in the treasure

966
00:33:54,980 --> 00:33:55,240
map.

967
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:55,900
Ant Hill.

968
00:33:56,980 --> 00:33:57,420
(laughing)

969
00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:59,080
Staying here

970
00:33:59,080 --> 00:33:59,660
for 15

971
00:33:59,660 --> 00:33:59,860
minutes.

972
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,480
Dude, I saw a bug over here.

973
00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:02,580
(laughing)

974
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,600
I bet there's like, it'd be cool to know

975
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:08,960
what geocaches would be more kid-friendly

976
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:10,860
and more interesting for kids too.

977
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,820
The geocaching website has like,

978
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,000
these are the tiers of easy and hard to find.

979
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,240
These are like the ratings.

980
00:34:17,399 --> 00:34:19,139
This is how much time it takes to get to it.

981
00:34:19,179 --> 00:34:21,740
It's like really broken down and indexed

982
00:34:21,740 --> 00:34:23,460
and subcategorized and all that.

983
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,980
So you could have the like kid-friendly tag on it or something, right?

984
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:28,659
Yeah,

985
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:33,120
I've thought about this too because I my co-worker gifted me a

986
00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:34,940
Like standalone Garmin

987
00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:36,919
GPS that

988
00:34:36,919 --> 00:34:40,399
you could load the waypoints onto and it kind of works

989
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:43,800
But you have to use the crappy Garmin sync software that doesn't work well anymore

990
00:34:44,060 --> 00:34:50,460
And it's for a couple of reasons not super practical and it seems like we're we're in this era where you could build the like

991
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:56,300
dedicated device hardware out the door for like really cheap, right? It's a frickin

992
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,940
chip and an Arduino and a screen and a GPS like

993
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:01,860
receiver

994
00:35:01,860 --> 00:35:04,180
that's got to be like 20 bucks parts max.

995
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,300
It could be like a compass like a round compass like

996
00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:07,880
a big

997
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,180
That's a good one.

998
00:35:09,780 --> 00:35:11,100
Always points. A physical dial.

999
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:15,620
Yeah, you can change it to be like map view, compass view

1000
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,560
Direction you know point to where we're supposed to go

1001
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:19,880
I thought

1002
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,500
you meant a physical like so you've got like a round piece of metal with actual dials

1003
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:28,720
But they're on a motor or whatever and so like as you move it around with the accelerometer

1004
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,080
It's physically pointing to the the cache. That'd be kind

1005
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,540
of fun. Oh, I mean sure that's probably more like a clock

1006
00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:38,340
That you're holding where the hands are pointed the right way. That'd be cool

1007
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:41,280
Yeah,

1008
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,280
it's like Sparrow

1009
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:43,780
That's

1010
00:35:43,780 --> 00:35:45,320
it. That would be

1011
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:45,920
cool. Is that a

1012
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,860
product that has to be a product for something?

1013
00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:49,920
Is this thought that's a great idea on its own?

1014
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:51,060
Just this is

1015
00:35:51,060 --> 00:35:53,740
always pointing towards something no matter where you are in the world

1016
00:35:54,420 --> 00:35:55,220
partners phone

1017
00:35:58,140 --> 00:36:00,740
You're it's my Valentine's Day gift

1018
00:36:02,180 --> 00:36:03,020
Well always know where you

1019
00:36:03,020 --> 00:36:03,260
are.

1020
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:04,940
Oh, yeah, maybe not

1021
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,380
It's a little stalkery the

1022
00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:10,119
old-school pirate treasure map. I can't get that out of my head

1023
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,460
I would have loved that as a kid.

1024
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,240
I did geocaching all the time

1025
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:13,900
growing up.

1026
00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:14,160
You did?

1027
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:14,840
Oh yeah.

1028
00:36:14,980 --> 00:36:19,760
We had this very old clunky GPS and you can only get like four or

1029
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,300
five satellites ever on the guy.

1030
00:36:22,019 --> 00:36:22,339
But

1031
00:36:22,339 --> 00:36:23,460
it was so much fun.

1032
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,460
It was back when it was just like whatever geocaching.org and there'd

1033
00:36:26,580 --> 00:36:30,240
only be X posts in your area, but you would find a little film canister or

1034
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,340
something around with a piece of paper.

1035
00:36:32,460 --> 00:36:33,860
And, and it was, it was a lot of fun.

1036
00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:34,780
That's cool.

1037
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:36,760
We do a toy exchange on it.

1038
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,380
You bring a toy and you take a toy from it.

1039
00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:42,460
I think what would be really cool is bringing like VR into it.

1040
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,580
I mean, right now VR is a little, little subpar.

1041
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,160
I think it's getting closer.

1042
00:36:47,260 --> 00:36:50,740
Like it wouldn't be super cool to have like a big old thing out of your head,

1043
00:36:50,740 --> 00:36:55,340
but once tech is more like maybe a little like glasses on your eyes and then yeah,

1044
00:36:55,420 --> 00:36:57,720
you can have like the arrow out in front of you.

1045
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:57,980
And

1046
00:36:57,980 --> 00:36:58,440
yeah.

1047
00:36:59,220 --> 00:37:01,920
Have you done Google maps when you hold it up and it puts the

1048
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,220
arrows to navigate up over the UI?

1049
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:08,300
I've seen, I've seen the update, but I haven't actually used it myself.

1050
00:37:08,420 --> 00:37:08,600
It's

1051
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:09,720
basically what you're describing,

1052
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,400
where like he's just showing you a pass through

1053
00:37:11,460 --> 00:37:13,660
of your camera and stuff, but then on the road

1054
00:37:13,820 --> 00:37:15,800
or nearby it plops big arrows like,

1055
00:37:15,860 --> 00:37:16,940
this is the way to go, dummy.

1056
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,140
It's when you're walking around, walking directions.

1057
00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:21,140
- I don't see, maybe that's even better.

1058
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:21,580
Maybe,

1059
00:37:22,180 --> 00:37:22,320
like maybe you just--

1060
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,420
- No, I'm saying you want that on your

1061
00:37:23,420 --> 00:37:23,940
Vision, man.

1062
00:37:23,980 --> 00:37:26,080
- I mean, that would be cool too, but I don't know.

1063
00:37:26,140 --> 00:37:28,160
I had the Vision Pro, the Apple Vision Pro,

1064
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,000
and it's cool and all, but it's still a big thing

1065
00:37:31,020 --> 00:37:32,100
you have to wear on your face.

1066
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,100
- Ski goggles.

1067
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:34,060
- Yeah.

1068
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:35,780
- And you don't want your kid like staring

1069
00:37:35,790 --> 00:37:36,880
at a screen while outside.

1070
00:37:37,359 --> 00:37:37,720
- Exactly.

1071
00:37:37,980 --> 00:37:38,400
We

1072
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:39,740
finally are going on a walk,

1073
00:37:39,860 --> 00:37:40,960
put this TV on your face.

1074
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:42,380
[laughter]

1075
00:37:43,140 --> 00:37:44,800
Defeats the purpose a little bit.

1076
00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:48,600
I like the idea of it somehow being like a scroll that you hold.

1077
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:49,380
This is like the

1078
00:37:49,380 --> 00:37:50,300
Marauder's Map.

1079
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:51,740
You know what I mean?

1080
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,080
It's a live updating

1081
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:54,920
screen

1082
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:55,460
tablet thing.

1083
00:37:55,460 --> 00:37:59,120
Have you seen the rollable Samsung screens?

1084
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,220
They're like proof of concept though, right?

1085
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,480
No, they're real.

1086
00:38:02,820 --> 00:38:03,640
I'm pretty sure they're

1087
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:03,920
real.

1088
00:38:04,980 --> 00:38:07,440
I can't remember now if it's LG or Samsung, but

1089
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,060
I

1090
00:38:08,060 --> 00:38:08,900
swear one.

1091
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:12,000
It's like every year at CES, there's some like rollable TV,

1092
00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:13,380
but then I don't know if there's--

1093
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:14,340
can you buy

1094
00:38:14,340 --> 00:38:14,880
that?

1095
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,180
I think they're still

1096
00:38:16,180 --> 00:38:18,580
in concept in the sense of they're not

1097
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:20,100
really affordable to create.

1098
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,000
And I think there's some issues with the backlighting

1099
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,500
and the brightness and whatnot.

1100
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:28,180
So you have to have a specific background with it.

1101
00:38:28,260 --> 00:38:31,260
But I'm fairly confident it is a real product now.

1102
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,380
That would be really cool.

1103
00:38:32,620 --> 00:38:33,060
Right?

1104
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,000
That would be sick.

1105
00:38:34,260 --> 00:38:36,800
It doesn't do anything except show the map where you are,

1106
00:38:36,980 --> 00:38:39,740
your trail of where you've walked, and there's the X.

1107
00:38:40,180 --> 00:38:40,660
That's it.

1108
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:41,820
Get on it, Samsung.

1109
00:38:46,780 --> 00:38:48,820
All right, Marcus, what do you got for us this week?

1110
00:38:48,940 --> 00:38:51,740
- After that, man, I feel like mine's pretty lame.

1111
00:38:51,820 --> 00:38:52,820
- No, hit us.

1112
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,800
- It's more for the socially awkward folk, right?

1113
00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:59,980
- Flashcard dates, I gotcha.

1114
00:39:01,020 --> 00:39:03,240
- Yeah, basically it's in the same realm.

1115
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,920
It's in the same realm, but I think you could use it outside of dating.

1116
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:11,160
I think we could use it in work settings if you're having an awkward conversation.

1117
00:39:11,540 --> 00:39:15,500
Essentially what I'm thinking of calling it is Control-Alt-Defeat.

1118
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:25,220
It's an insole you put into your shoe and you can either toe tap or do a heel twitch

1119
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,140
and that triggers a call on your phone.

1120
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:33,420
So you can be like, "Sorry guys, I gotta walk away and take this call."

1121
00:39:33,420 --> 00:39:34,300
Yes!

1122
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,660
Get you out of those awkward conversations. That's so

1123
00:39:36,660 --> 00:39:37,100
good!

1124
00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:39,120
It's so simple!

1125
00:39:40,060 --> 00:39:41,000
That's what I'm saying.

1126
00:39:41,380 --> 00:39:41,840
You guys'

1127
00:39:41,940 --> 00:39:43,580
was way more complex but...

1128
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:50,180
So this is a quick escape hatch. Absolutely. Oh shoot, my grandma's calling. I gotta take this.

1129
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,780
Just James Bond your way out of there. I love it.

1130
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,480
A two hour town hall meeting like, "Yeah man, I gotta go.

1131
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:03,400
Sorry."

1132
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:03,400
- I'm

1133
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,180
telling you again, it must be important,

1134
00:40:05,380 --> 00:40:05,540
right?

1135
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:06,640
- Yeah,

1136
00:40:06,860 --> 00:40:07,060
that's

1137
00:40:07,060 --> 00:40:08,700
clever, you ignore it the first two times,

1138
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:09,660
you'll be like, "I'm the third one."

1139
00:40:09,660 --> 00:40:11,620
I'm sorry guys, I gotta figure out what's going on here.

1140
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,040
- Make it realistic.

1141
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,580
- Rotate between multiple contexts too,

1142
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,040
so you know it's tragic.

1143
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:18,880
(laughing)

1144
00:40:19,060 --> 00:40:20,140
- I better take this.

1145
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,580
- Elgato makes a USB peripheral that is switches,

1146
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:26,880
so you can have like the,

1147
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,920
I press this to switch my scene when I'm live streaming,

1148
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,580
or this is my button to make the bomb go off in my game

1149
00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:34,020
or whatever.

1150
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,480
I wonder if you could just make this a peripheral

1151
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,900
where it just like, I tapped my toe

1152
00:40:39,020 --> 00:40:42,220
and now it's locked my computer as I get up to go

1153
00:40:42,420 --> 00:40:43,220
or I tap my

1154
00:40:43,220 --> 00:40:44,860
toe and it does

1155
00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:46,040
like some other practical

1156
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,700
useful thing and then one of the four gestures

1157
00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:49,680
is fake a call.

1158
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,820
- Right, ooh, I like that actually.

1159
00:40:51,820 --> 00:40:51,920
- Would

1160
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:52,440
a foot pad

1161
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:52,640
be

1162
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:53,940
useful for some other,

1163
00:40:54,020 --> 00:40:55,840
what are the contexts where you wish you had

1164
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:56,400
hands free?

1165
00:40:56,580 --> 00:40:59,480
- Yeah, 100%, maybe if you could connect it

1166
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,540
to your home internet of things somehow.

1167
00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:04,860
I mean, but yeah, what would you--

1168
00:41:05,020 --> 00:41:05,600
Lock the doors.

1169
00:41:05,620 --> 00:41:06,600
--still have your-- yeah,

1170
00:41:06,820 --> 00:41:07,060
OK.

1171
00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:07,760
OK.

1172
00:41:08,580 --> 00:41:10,140
Maybe close the garage.

1173
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:10,660
Yeah, right.

1174
00:41:10,740 --> 00:41:11,080
Yes.

1175
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:12,000
[LAUGHTER]

1176
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:12,460
Tap, tap.

1177
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:14,080
When

1178
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,460
is it useful because your hands are busy?

1179
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:17,760
Groceries.

1180
00:41:17,780 --> 00:41:18,020
When you're

1181
00:41:18,020 --> 00:41:18,600
cooking.

1182
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,220
You have like food all over your hands

1183
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,440
because you're mixing the whatever

1184
00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:24,400
and you just tap, tap to go to the next song

1185
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,000
or tap, tap to go to the next page in the recipe or--

1186
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:27,340
Yes.

1187
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:27,720
--something

1188
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:28,000
like that.

1189
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,380
- I've seen the iPad, like, so bad.

1190
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:32,340
Sometimes you're like

1191
00:41:32,340 --> 00:41:32,980
making something

1192
00:41:32,980 --> 00:41:34,540
and your iPad just turns off.

1193
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:35,660
You have to

1194
00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:35,980
press

1195
00:41:35,980 --> 00:41:36,700
the button to

1196
00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:37,260
unlock the screen.

1197
00:41:37,260 --> 00:41:39,420
- Get chicken grease all over it or whatever, yeah.

1198
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:40,820
- Yeah, you're like, oh, should

1199
00:41:40,820 --> 00:41:41,480
I, yeah.

1200
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,560
No exact, yeah, that pain, that'd be so helpful.

1201
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,800
- Okay, I like that, multi-use insole.

1202
00:41:49,580 --> 00:41:50,680
A tech insole.

1203
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,700
- I've seen the, like, you press a button

1204
00:41:52,860 --> 00:41:55,380
and it automatically closes your tailgate,

1205
00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:59,880
your back, you know, a motorized trunk thing, but you're carrying all those

1206
00:42:00,140 --> 00:42:04,900
groceries you just tap tap tap and your car door shuts and locks itself that'd

1207
00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:05,240
be cool.

1208
00:42:05,780 --> 00:42:09,200
I've seen some where it's just like a wave of your foot underneath

1209
00:42:09,620 --> 00:42:14,560
the but I've seen some of them not work as you'd expect like I

1210
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:19,040
just seen an Instagram reel of some dude like showing it off and he had

1211
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,080
to like get on the ground and like bend all the way under it to trigger it

1212
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,760
So he was like making fun of it. So this could be a

1213
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:25,640
great alternative

1214
00:42:28,820 --> 00:42:29,860
Bluetooth insoles.

1215
00:42:30,220 --> 00:42:31,220
Yeah, you have to plug in your shoe

1216
00:42:33,380 --> 00:42:35,600
Sorry, honey, I forgot to charge my shoes again.

1217
00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:38,460
No, it runs off the heating of your feet.

1218
00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:39,920
Yeah. Oh shoot

1219
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:40,760
low energy

1220
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:42,700
Every step is a

1221
00:42:42,700 --> 00:42:43,200
little

1222
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,640
Exactly. Exactly

1223
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,360
that actually in itself is legit

1224
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:52,360
My shoes don't do anything except for charge battery packs

1225
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:01,240
Love that I love that Scott's

1226
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:03,940
like damn that's actually a really good idea

1227
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,160
How much power can you generate from walking 10,000

1228
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:14,020
springy would it feel to like be pushing down on like a thing all day

1229
00:43:15,580 --> 00:43:18,080
Okay, this sounds crazy what about like tap dancing

1230
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,320
Can you imagine I don't know what you could uh, you

1231
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:22,940
forgot to take

1232
00:43:22,940 --> 00:43:23,360
a my

1233
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:27,240
Technophile like tap dancing. Okay, so

1234
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:29,300
you throw like

1235
00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:31,280
a theranin nearby, okay

1236
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:37,920
And then like

1237
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:39,460
You

1238
00:43:39,460 --> 00:43:44,400
put a full-ass piano in there somehow like or like a set of keys or like I don't know chords

1239
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:51,580
Let's say you put chords in different buttons on that foot pad. Boom. You got tap dancing with like some crazy

1240
00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:54,860
I don't know like matching music or background vibes

1241
00:43:55,020 --> 00:44:00,540
You ever see those one-man band guys who will have like drums strapped to their back and they're like doing a wiggle to make the

1242
00:44:00,740 --> 00:44:07,560
Cymbals go and stuff you've got that but it's just the tap dance in souls on an electric drum kit. So as they're tapping it's

1243
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,080
I'm playing the drums way

1244
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,780
out there. But like this is like the broadness is how broad

1245
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:23,120
This idea could be right it could be from tap dancing to call on your phone, right?

1246
00:44:23,660 --> 00:44:25,600
I love I love how the product morphed

1247
00:44:27,260 --> 00:44:28,540
Scope it always does

1248
00:44:29,980 --> 00:44:30,720
Curve ball

1249
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:34,100
Vision for it. I did I

1250
00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:37,880
did. Yeah, you got yeah, it's really opened up my eyes to the

1251
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:38,680
possibilities

1252
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:40,540
- The world of possibilities.

1253
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,820
Well, dear listener, we know you have that phone call

1254
00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:45,900
that's gonna start in a second.

1255
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,300
Grandma's in the hospital again,

1256
00:44:47,460 --> 00:44:50,140
so before she calls, I just want to quick say

1257
00:44:50,180 --> 00:44:51,320
thank you very much for listening.

1258
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,260
We hope you enjoyed yourself,

1259
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,220
and thank you very much, Marcus, for joining us.

1260
00:44:54,260 --> 00:44:54,960
This was super fun.

1261
00:44:55,580 --> 00:44:56,280
- Yeah, no, it was great.

1262
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,200
Thank you guys for having me.

1263
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,840
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1264
00:45:00,180 --> 00:45:01,600
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1265
00:45:01,820 --> 00:45:02,620
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1266
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,460
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00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:05,220
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1268
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1269
00:45:07,620 --> 00:45:09,200
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1270
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,120
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1271
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1272
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,780
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1273
00:45:14,299 --> 00:45:16,100
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1274
00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:18,660
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1275
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1276
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,180
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1277
00:45:22,260 --> 00:45:24,660
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1278
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,320
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1279
00:45:27,380 --> 00:45:29,320
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1280
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,660
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1281
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,180
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1282
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1283
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1284
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1288
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1289
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