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I'm Scott.

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I'm Russell.

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I'm Leo.

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This is Spitball.

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Welcome to Spitball, where three eccentric electricians and a guest empty our heads of

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startup and tech product ideas that we have stuck up in there so you can all have them

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for free.

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Anything that we say is yours to keep.

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This week, I believe Scott, you brought our guest.

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Is that right?

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I did.

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I am very excited to introduce Richard, who I work with the same engineering company.

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Richard's a product development engineer, IT professional, and team lead there.

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He's probably brought more products and projects to market than all of us combined.

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Mechanical engineer, laser enthusiast, 3D printing master, and a pilot, honestly.

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Oh, sweet.

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Yeah.

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Welcome, Richard.

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Welcome.

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Thank you.

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I'm so excited to have you.

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Fellow IT man.

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We've got to represent.

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That's right.

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It's good to have more diverse representation on this show.

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Okay.

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This week, to get us warmed up, I want to throw a little game around here that I'm going to

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call this time.

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But can it run Doom?

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Literally?

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I'm just going to go down the line here and throw things out there, and you need to tell

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me if it's something that I made up or if someone has actually gotten Doom running on this hardware.

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Are you ready?

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And we do, as always, we've got to start with our guest, Richard.

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I'm going to start off here with the Honeywell Prestige Thermostat, a small color LCD thermostat.

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Did someone, yes or no, get it running Doom?

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I would say yes.

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Absolutely.

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In 2017, a developer named CZ7ASM got a whole hacked thermostat thing going.

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It's the best.

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Love nerds.

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Wow.

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Scott, a Walmart self-checkout kiosk.

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I hope to God, yes.

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Please say yes.

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I made that one up.

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No!

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Man!

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Not yet.

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Although it's probably just like a full Windows PC in there, right?

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Or some Linux-based thing.

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You probably could get it pretty easily.

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Nothing yet, but look out at DEF CON 2025.

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Russell, a pregnancy test.

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What?

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There's no way.

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How could it run it?

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There's no way.

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That's what inspired this game.

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There's a guy, a programmer who was on Twitter named, he calls himself Foon Turing in 2020.

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There was this little tiny monochrome LCD display that would say pregnant or not.

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And he put some buttons on it and a different CPU and he got it running due.

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Oh my God.

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What kind of processor does a pregnancy test have?

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That's what I'm wondering.

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A little arm cortex thing to make the screen work and boom, you're off to the races.

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Richard, the AirTag smart Bluetooth device tracker.

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I'm going to say no.

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Yeah, no, I made that one up.

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I'm like, does he need a screen for that one?

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It's running dune.

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Trust me.

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If someone gets a pregnancy test working though, right?

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I'll just throw you for a look.

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Scott, a John Deere tractor.

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I'm going to go back to the no screen on this one and say no.

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Someone got the whole instrument cluster and everything running doom.

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Yeah, 100%.

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And you could even use the sticks and stuff to input.

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It's hilarious.

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Yeah, in 2022, it was at DEF CON actually, a group that called themselves Sick Codes.

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They were highlighting all the security vulnerabilities in agriculture equipment and how smart all these tractors have gotten and stuff.

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But yep, it runs doom.

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That's a good demo.

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I respect that.

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Right.

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Russell, the Samsung smart fridge.

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Oh, 1,000%.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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That one had to.

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Yeah, yeah.

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In 2020, there was a developer posted a video of him running doom on his fridge.

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It's the best.

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One more time through.

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Richard, the MacBook Pro touch bar.

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Just the touch bar.

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I'm going to say yes.

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Someone put the whole UI on the little tiny long monochrome screen.

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OLED screen.

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Scott, a Coinstar machine.

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I mean, if you can do it on a pregnancy test, I'm going to say yes to a Coinstar.

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I made that one up.

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I'm sorry.

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New life goal now.

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And lastly, Russell, last one of the night.

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The IKEA Treadfury light bulb.

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What?

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A smart bulb.

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No.

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There's no way.

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It's a light bulb.

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Someone added a screen and a button to it and got it.

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We're in doom.

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It's hilarious.

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So apparently a lot of them have ESP32s or other ARM chips in them to receive the Wi-Fi

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radio waves and change the light bulb.

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So someone put a screen on it and boom, you're good.

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Hilarious.

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If only we used that human potential for something good.

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You know, something productive.

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Now run doom on it.

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Let's run doom on stuff.

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Famous 1990 something, 1993 game.

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It's been more platforms than anywhere else.

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I learned also in the research for this that there's three separate projects for getting

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doom running on the TI-83 calculator.

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I was good.

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I swear you were going to say that one for tonight.

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It was a little too obvious.

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I thought.

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All right.

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Who's up first this week?

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I think you are, Leo.

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Me?

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Yeah, I can go first.

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Sure.

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So I actually pitched Scott in person on this idea a little while ago.

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I was pretty hyped up about it.

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And then he told me, oh, I think Disher had a project that was kind of like what you're

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describing.

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So it's perfect that you're here tonight, Richard.

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I love the summertime activity of drawing roads and parking lots and stop signs and stuff

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with chalk in your driveway or in a parking lot somewhere and having your kid drive around

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on a bike, right?

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And I think it would be so fun to amp up.

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I know if I were a kid, I would feel pretty hyped if there was a working traffic light

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in that.

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So I want to build and productize a little toy traffic light that the parent can have a

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remote for and it can go into a timer mode.

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You can set up a couple of them along the route, maybe even like, I don't know, blinking

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yields and blinking arrows and stuff too, where like you've got the remote where you can say,

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yes, put it into regular 10 second timer mode or kids running at it right now.

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I'm going to hit yellow on my little remote and turn red.

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And then, oh, the kids, oh, we're having so much fun.

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I think it'd be such a fun toy to have a little smart traffic light.

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You could 3D print it.

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You just need a ring of LEDs and a little like Arduino ESP3.

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It'd be pretty easy to get something like that up and running.

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I would buy one.

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That's the whole pitch.

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Traffic light toy.

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I have so much respect for little kids and lights now with my brother.

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My brother's kids, they have one of those like LED things outside of the bedroom where it's

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like you can't come out until the light is green and they just follow it.

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I don't know what age that goes away, but it's very powerful right now.

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When I'm driving around town, my toddler in the backseat's always like, why are we stopped?

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It's green now.

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Or whatever.

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It's like, no, it's not green yet, honey.

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Or, you know, what color is that one up there?

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Oh, yeah.

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This sounds crazy, but like you could use this for like driving schools or like, you know,

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when you're 50, just like trying to get a bunch of kids to pay attention.

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Like, yep, this is just the rules of the road.

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Like, yeah, bumper cars, right?

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You could do, replace the Sims with actual like, all right, you're in a go-kart.

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You're going to go around this lot and your test is you driving around a go-kart.

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Because those are pretty cheap now, too.

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They're like 500 bucks for a Segway.

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You know, for one of those Segway ones.

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Get a bunch of kids on them and let them roose.

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Hey, I mean, it's safer than, and probably cheaper than those.

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I don't know if you guys had like those old simulators in high school or like if you did

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the driving school.

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No.

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Like the boxes, like literally wheels, and they would track your score.

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I don't know.

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They seemed really expensive back in, I don't know.

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This, my high school had like a 30, like these old ones.

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But anyways, like you can use that to test kids, like, and just get them through training,

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just more hours in the road and paying attention.

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Let's get them driving even earlier.

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I love this.

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Hey, that's what, yeah.

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The McElroys, my brother, my brother and me did a TV show of six episodes that's really

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delightful.

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But in that, they described kind of what you're talking about, where they had a thing

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in their small West Virginia town called Safety Town.

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And it was a bunch of little like electric bumper car type things in a small scaled miniature

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like course.

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And it was like a little town.

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And they'd tear the kids loose on it and say, you know, learn how to obey traffic flow and

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all that.

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It'd be great for something like that.

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I think in the Holland area, we have a group called Velo Kids, where they teach, you know,

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lower L kids how to ride bikes.

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And they got a bunch of those balance bikes, the scoot bikes.

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I'm not sure of the brand name, but they totally would have a heyday with those streetlights

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on a course in a parking lot and teach the kids not only how to balance and how to ride,

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but what to do at a corner at a stop sign or a stoplight or whatever, you know, stop, look

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for traffic.

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And of course, you're going to have to make bike traffic go both, you know, four way stop

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or a two way stop or whatever, just to make, you know, potential crash opportunities.

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Of course.

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God, I got to learn early.

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It's amazing.

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The balance bike to riding a full bike pipeline is so much better than the training wheels

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that we have.

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For sure.

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Like my four year old thrives on his pedal bike now, and there was so little adjustment.

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It's really, really cool.

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And I know my two kids would love this.

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I love the simplicity of the traffic light is so good, Leo.

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Like an MVP is exactly what you said.

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ESP32, 3D print to housing, start selling it on Etsy or something.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Kids toys, like smart, smart, quote unquote, even with a dumb little remote and no Wi-Fi,

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like so expensive.

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Some of these things, like what you were talking about, the LED light for when you wake up in

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the morning, my kids have, I think it's Hatch and it's like 150 bucks for a little speaker

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and a charging circuit and a battery and a LED light.

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And it has, you know, an app, so they have to maintain some kind of server infrastructure,

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but it is like $4 worth of parts and it kills me every time, right?

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There's five pre-recorded tracks on there for different white noise and that's all you get.

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Nope.

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Not a smart speaker.

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Definitely not a smart speaker, right?

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So they don't want it to become that.

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So yeah.

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Sounds like it needs to play Doom.

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That's for sure.

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Totally could, probably.

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Totally could.

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Okay.

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I think there's a lot of like outside of the toy aspect.

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Like imagine when a, you know, when the street light goes down, you have a bunch of cops or

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whatever, like traffic people drive around with like four of these little ones in the, in the

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back of their car.

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It's definitely safer than being in the road.

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They hold it.

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They stand in the middle of the street and just hold it.

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You throw up like a, you attach like a tripod, a quick little retractable tripod.

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You throw it on the road and now instant traffic control, safer than having a cop in the middle

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of the road.

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They can manually, let's say use the exact same timing that came in the original street light.

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But now when it goes down, you could have like a cop just, or whatever, a service officer,

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just go around and drop a bunch of those for like three or four street lights back to normal.

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That's a cool idea.

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Yeah.

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They're in a power outage.

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That's fantastic.

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Yeah.

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Especially, yeah, like when there's a disaster, like you got a ton of people probably trying

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to get around.

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You need something like that and you don't want more accidents and boom, easy.

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Keep those.

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And those, those could probably sell.

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That's where you sell it for like $8,000 a package or something, you know?

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Sure.

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That's the economies of scale.

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I mean, they're disposable at that point.

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Yeah, for sure.

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One time use.

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Seal in the battery.

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Take that mother earth.

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Not returnable.

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It's capitalism.

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That's great.

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Oh, you got to have one of those, those pull tabs, you know, like when you get the toy,

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you got to pull the little thin plastic thing out.

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So the battery.

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Yeah.

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Part of the reason I'm thinking about this as a product is because I bought a full size traffic

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light recently.

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like a standard, like auction was on the street one.

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Oh, cool.

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Today I put it up on our wall.

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It's up.

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I ripped out all the incandescent stuff.

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Yeah.

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I told Scott about this.

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I ripped out all the incandescent relays and stuff and just put in three rings of 12 LEDs

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in there and an ESP32.

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And when our server status dashboard is green, it's green.

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And when it's got, you know, partial downtime or maintenance, it's yellow.

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And if there's a major outage, it's red and it blinks and stuff.

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It's really, really, really easy to get this kind of thing up and running.

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Right.

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Nice.

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It seems like I'm doing this work and it's like, man, I could just like not buy a decommissioned

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light from Facebook marketplace, but instead, you know, put it in a little 3D printed housing

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and my kids would love this too, you know?

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Was it, did you make the whole like electronic remote control thing or I guess you did?

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It's not remote controlled now.

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It's just going to the internet and pulling every 30 seconds.

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Like what's the current server status?

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Okay.

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It's wall art for our office, you know?

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It's not a toy.

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Lug that around on your back.

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They're made of plastic now.

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It wasn't that heavy after I took out the metal mounting brackets and stuff.

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It's pretty lit.

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Oh, I always forget how big they are.

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Yeah.

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It's like four or five feet tall.

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Yeah.

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That's just another example of one of those pitches where it's just something that I want

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personally in my life.

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I think almost all your pitches are and I respect that.

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Gotta have passion for it.

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Well, that's a, that's a good transition to me.

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This is one that I want and absolutely don't need.

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And probably would make the world worse, honestly.

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Oh, I want this.

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Okay.

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All right.

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I had a, two things happen to me recently that made me think this.

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One, I watched Spinal Tap.

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If you haven't seen that fake documentary in a while.

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And two, my sister-in-law always does her one second videos.

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Have you ever seen that app where you take like a one second clip every day throughout the

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year and puts it together and it just kind of shows you what you did throughout the year.

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They're great.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to put a dollar in the AI swear jar and say, I want an AI driven service that

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would automatically create a documentary of my life about me.

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And it was just using a combination of my entire digital footprints, my, all my Google photos,

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videos, social media posts.

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Hell, I didn't get it.

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Probably not email, but like voice notes or texts and just make all the highlights, birthdays,

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vacations, major milestones with a narrator.

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We'll have Morgan Freeman in the back, just describing what Scott is doing and going about

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in his life.

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That is what I want.

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You can send that to your family as a Christmas card.

359
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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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It's like Spotify wrapped or whatever, but whatever customized time period you want, maybe

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the last 10 years of my life or maybe the, I mean, there aren't many companies that are

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positioned super well to do this except for Google and maybe Facebook if you're a big Facebook

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person.

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But I feel like you could with chat GPT five now and just all the image and video recognition

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now you could, you know, it's not out yet, but what they're talking about with, uh, you

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could have a pretty good narration and probably weirdly accurate to the ones that happened in

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your life.

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Hallucinates a little bit.

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It's like, remember when you got that divorce?

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You're like, Oh, I don't, I don't remember that.

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Thanks.

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Gemini.

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Generate the video in between.

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If it's missing something ever.

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Right.

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Here's a render of Scott going to the opera.

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That's fun.

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I feel like we are, uh, predisposed as salt of the earth.

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Midwesterners here to like be humble about ourselves and meek and mild and all that.

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But I would totally watch a video of my own life.

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I'm vain enough to like enjoy that.

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Yeah.

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I feel like we're humans.

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Most people are.

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That's why social media took off.

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We want to see ourselves like online.

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Why do you think it'd be the world would be worse with this?

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Cause I'm giving an AI direct access to all these more things that I'm already probably

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shouldn't in the first place.

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Yeah.

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Remember when the test results came back?

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Oh yeah.

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Thanks.

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Narrator.

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Crazy heavier targeted ads.

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Oh no.

398
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Why'd my insurance go up this year?

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Gave my health records to check GPT.

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I think that's, I think I watched all the time.

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Like these videos that I get on like Apple photos that is like, remember this trip, right?

402
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Yeah.

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Three months or like a year and a half ago.

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And you're like, whoa, I do now.

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Right.

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It's just like, it's an awesome experience to like relive something really quickly.

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Right.

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And so like, even in a short, I want a two hour feature film, but, but right.

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I think that's like, why not at the end of the year, celebrate the year, right?

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You know?

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And Google photos did that, but it's still only just the year.

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If you could take every one of those that's been generated or whatever, and try to find

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through lines and plots.

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And oh yeah.

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Every time you wore that shirt, you were doing these things or that time that you were with

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this person once a year for five years in a row, it was this thing that you do or, you

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know, trying to like draw patterns and stuff.

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That's what AI is best at.

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Right.

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Dude.

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It'd be so weird to like see my wife's two year documentary or like my kids two year documentary.

422
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Just like, yeah.

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Whoa.

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There's so much that you're living outside of what I know, especially when you're like really

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close with them.

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Right.

427
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So it's like, that would be, that would be nuts to watch somebody else's too.

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That's how you find out about the affair.

429
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Boy, the Pablo's always hanging around.

430
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Look at all those photos you have.

431
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Yeah.

432
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It's just a friend.

433
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It's just a friend.

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She always wears this when she's.

435
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Or doesn't wear this.

436
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Yeah, right.

437
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All right, Russell, what do you got this week?

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Yes.

439
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So, all right, this week.

440
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Okay.

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I was thinking about, so I work in a, the stormwater industry.

442
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Right.

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And so one of the things that comes up a lot is people, whenever it rains, people like have

444
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a problem with like puddles or ponding or issues on the road.

445
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And my tech experience, there's this site called Down Detector.

446
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That's like self-reported.

447
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Like, oh, is this website down?

448
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And literally your first Google search always brings you to Down Detector or something.

449
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And it's literally just a website with people self-reporting that it's down.

450
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And it's sometimes actually more often than not more reliable than the actual site that

451
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is down.

452
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Because.

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The status dashboard.

454
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Yeah.

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There's probably some bureaucracy.

456
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They're like, oh, do we want to release this information that we're down for 10 seconds?

457
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And then sure enough, like an hour later, we are experiencing some downtime.

458
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Right.

459
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But like Down Detector told me an hour and a half before, like, okay, it's down.

460
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I can tell everybody on Slack, like, stop bugging me.

461
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I know Gmail's down or whatever.

462
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Right.

463
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So I guess I was thinking you could do this in a bunch of other ways and more thinking like

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local community and GPS.

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So like when you're seeing flooding or a fire or a streetlight being down or all these other

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things, Waze, a cop, you know, like Waze does that really well.

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So it's kind of like combining social reporting, but more for like the problem.

468
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Right.

469
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And I think what's really cool about it is that data is so valuable because if you see reports

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in a common location all the time, like, you know, even like something like a lot of trash

471
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accumulates here, you report anything.

472
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Right.

473
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So we just encourage any nuisance reporting.

474
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Oh, no.

475
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And it just turns into like, well, we probably should solve a problem here.

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And whether that's like a community coming together and being like, wow, there's there is a lot

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of bad stuff going on here or we should solve this problem.

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Like now it's it's publicly available, self-reported and anybody can maybe solve that problem.

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Right.

480
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But simply put, it's report a problem in your community.

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Karen.com.

482
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I was, I was having a conversation with one of the guys that I worked with this afternoon

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and he said that, and I don't think it works anymore, but in Kent County, they had an app

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that you could pin potholes and graffiti.

485
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Really?

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graffiti.

487
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Yeah.

488
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Yeah.

489
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Yeah.

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And he said he got so many potholes repaired in like short order.

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And then just a little while ago, he went to use it again because he moved outside of the

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city limits.

493
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Mm-hmm.

494
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And, but he, but he's still in Kent County a lot.

495
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So, but he went to use the app again and it's not working.

496
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Oh, it sounds like there was market validation there, Russell.

497
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Yeah.

498
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So it was pretty interesting, but it's kind of on the same regards as what you're talking

499
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about, Russell.

500
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Yeah.

501
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Potholes, graffiti.

502
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That's a great one.

503
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Like that's just stuff I want.

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Somebody should take care of.

505
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I'm not going to, that's as far as I want to go.

506
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I just want to report it and move on.

507
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Right.

508
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It's step one.

509
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You're right.

510
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It seems like your customer would not be just the public.

511
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I mean, it could be, I guess, direct to consumer, but your customer could be a partnership with

512
00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:42,080
the local, you know, municipalities and utilities and stuff.

513
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:42,320
Right.

514
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,360
You go to them and say, Hey, deploy this, advertise it, whatever in your town.

515
00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:47,660
We'll facilitate it.

516
00:21:47,660 --> 00:21:48,480
We'll keep it running.

517
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:53,900
Heck, maybe you even like show ads to the users and you make it free for the, you know, municipalities

518
00:21:53,900 --> 00:21:55,580
to have or cheap or something.

519
00:21:55,580 --> 00:21:57,840
And then, or you get double income, I guess.

520
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:58,260
I don't know.

521
00:21:58,260 --> 00:21:59,140
Oh yeah.

522
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,320
But then yeah, like you facilitate the talk so that there's crowdsourcing and they don't

523
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,680
have to figure out how to make an app.

524
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,240
It's weird.

525
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,560
Cause like if your goal is to drive traffic to your app or website, like reporting stuff

526
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,560
is honestly a great way to do that.

527
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:17,300
People, uh, sorry, but complaining about something like this is bad.

528
00:22:17,300 --> 00:22:18,180
I want this fixed.

529
00:22:18,180 --> 00:22:22,080
I want to tell people that'd be great for ads and revenue.

530
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,000
Yeah.

531
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,200
And I think local governments hate receiving those reports.

532
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,420
Like the front desk lady doesn't know where to direct it to.

533
00:22:30,420 --> 00:22:30,840
Yeah.

534
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:31,960
There's a pothole.

535
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:32,620
Okay.

536
00:22:32,620 --> 00:22:34,600
Uh, who do I send it to?

537
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:39,340
Especially if it's like an empty text box and you're getting all the like, I hated that

538
00:22:39,340 --> 00:22:43,740
my neighbor left their lawn chair out front or there's all the like cruft.

539
00:22:43,820 --> 00:22:49,860
If you can somehow whittle this down to predefined categories like ways does or somehow have the

540
00:22:49,860 --> 00:22:50,720
like the flow.

541
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,060
And then everyone who picks other just gets thrown away or something.

542
00:22:54,060 --> 00:22:54,540
I don't know.

543
00:22:54,540 --> 00:22:55,300
You keep it hosted.

544
00:22:55,300 --> 00:22:56,540
Just one website.

545
00:22:56,540 --> 00:22:59,860
It'll automatically put you in the, it has your location on there.

546
00:22:59,860 --> 00:23:02,080
And so it'll put you in the right district.

547
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,760
I really liked this idea.

548
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,040
Russell, you could gamify it like ways did and have like the leaderboard.

549
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:07,740
Wow.

550
00:23:07,740 --> 00:23:09,180
This guy's a graffiti champ.

551
00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:11,940
He unlocked the graffiti award, you know?

552
00:23:11,940 --> 00:23:15,220
And then you could even like report when it got solved.

553
00:23:15,220 --> 00:23:15,720
Right.

554
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,420
And give a bunch of kudos to all those people that reported it, you know?

555
00:23:19,420 --> 00:23:20,620
That's a great one.

556
00:23:20,620 --> 00:23:21,100
Yeah.

557
00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:25,220
If you get the municipality in there, like marking them as done, then they're giving out like

558
00:23:25,220 --> 00:23:27,340
free city bucks or whatever.

559
00:23:27,340 --> 00:23:27,740
Yeah.

560
00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:29,020
Not just notoriety.

561
00:23:29,020 --> 00:23:31,320
I want to be top dog in my reporting.

562
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:31,960
City points.

563
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,080
City points.

564
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:33,380
Yeah.

565
00:23:33,380 --> 00:23:33,740
Yeah.

566
00:23:33,740 --> 00:23:36,260
That's what makes it so simple to sell this.

567
00:23:36,260 --> 00:23:41,380
Cause like you, you're selling it to the municipality for them to market it, but it's not costing

568
00:23:41,380 --> 00:23:44,100
them anything outside of just promoting it themselves.

569
00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:45,660
Everyone wins here.

570
00:23:45,660 --> 00:23:50,120
I think it'd be fun too, just to see everybody complaining about certain things.

571
00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:52,140
It's kind of like next door, but geolocation.

572
00:23:52,140 --> 00:23:53,200
Yes.

573
00:23:53,820 --> 00:23:56,500
And it's all, you know, recorded forever on here.

574
00:23:56,500 --> 00:23:59,340
They could literally use that as their filing system for complaints.

575
00:23:59,340 --> 00:23:59,920
Yeah.

576
00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:00,980
Any local government.

577
00:24:00,980 --> 00:24:03,140
Gotta figure out the bullying aspect.

578
00:24:03,140 --> 00:24:03,600
Yeah.

579
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,840
I was just going to say, there's like a whole gossip scene around our local Facebook groups

580
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,120
that center around our town where it's like.

581
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:12,020
That's true.

582
00:24:12,020 --> 00:24:15,820
The meta narrative of, oh, can you believe this happened over there again?

583
00:24:15,820 --> 00:24:16,440
Kind of stuff.

584
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:17,840
You have to somehow skirt that.

585
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,400
And I think the predefined categories is one way to do that.

586
00:24:20,620 --> 00:24:24,180
The McDonald's on 32nd is on fire again.

587
00:24:24,180 --> 00:24:25,080
That's his own category.

588
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,480
See you next week.

589
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,440
Well, you know what?

590
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:35,300
Maybe we do the Waze thing where they, is there a cop still here or is there a fire still

591
00:24:35,300 --> 00:24:38,320
here and just have, you know, a little bit of a rotation?

592
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,520
Is that McDonald's still burning down, by the way?

593
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,460
I just thought I'd ask.

594
00:24:42,460 --> 00:24:43,180
No big deal.

595
00:24:43,180 --> 00:24:43,760
No hurry.

596
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:44,800
But just curious.

597
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,960
Is the library burning to the ground?

598
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,080
Is it still on fire?

599
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:49,480
Right?

600
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,900
It would be kind of fun to troll it.

601
00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:57,080
You know, there's been a nuclear incident downtown or something.

602
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,180
Yeah.

603
00:24:58,180 --> 00:25:01,780
You know, that makes me think there's probably, the reporting might be different.

604
00:25:01,780 --> 00:25:04,560
It might be more, like, sustained, right?

605
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,080
Because you have your, like, reports of, there's a big cop showdown or whatever.

606
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,900
Lots of sirens at Centennial Park, right?

607
00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:16,320
I see that all the time in, like, Holland Informed or whatever, or whatever, right?

608
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,540
So, it's just none of that.

609
00:25:18,540 --> 00:25:21,420
Maybe it is maybe more stuff that's permanent.

610
00:25:21,420 --> 00:25:23,160
That's probably reaching out.

611
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:23,180
Yeah.

612
00:25:23,180 --> 00:25:26,520
Otto gets filtered into that miscellaneous category over there.

613
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:27,100
Yeah.

614
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:27,660
Yeah.

615
00:25:27,660 --> 00:25:31,800
The idea of trolling you by dropping a pin on your house every day that says it's just

616
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:32,460
full of shit.

617
00:25:32,460 --> 00:25:36,160
There is poop all over this yard again every day.

618
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,380
Massive hoarding.

619
00:25:39,380 --> 00:25:40,420
Junkyard.

620
00:25:40,420 --> 00:25:43,420
Every time you open this app, it's going to be like, is there still poop in your yard?

621
00:25:43,420 --> 00:25:45,520
You're like, no, stop saying there is.

622
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,740
Yeah.

623
00:25:46,740 --> 00:25:48,020
The trolling would be real.

624
00:25:48,020 --> 00:25:49,020
It would.

625
00:25:49,020 --> 00:25:50,580
We'd have to ban people.

626
00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:52,500
We'd have to have a moderation system.

627
00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:53,140
Oh, man.

628
00:25:53,140 --> 00:25:56,080
I would wear a ban from this app as a badge of honor.

629
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,040
Your city bucks.

630
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,380
You're not going to get your city bucks now, Leo.

631
00:26:03,380 --> 00:26:05,220
Ah, dang it.

632
00:26:05,220 --> 00:26:05,860
Yeah.

633
00:26:06,780 --> 00:26:11,580
There's an element of like, report a liar is what I'll put on there.

634
00:26:11,580 --> 00:26:13,600
Publicly.

635
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:13,860
Yeah.

636
00:26:13,860 --> 00:26:16,140
You need a way to like publicly flog and shame these people.

637
00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:16,460
Right.

638
00:26:16,460 --> 00:26:19,340
How do you make trolling not fun on this thing like this?

639
00:26:19,340 --> 00:26:19,680
Yeah.

640
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:20,340
Hmm.

641
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,220
My neighbor would used to, I think it was Holland Informed, he would troll them.

642
00:26:25,220 --> 00:26:29,860
Whenever it rains super hard, the drains on our street just don't work and it would always

643
00:26:29,860 --> 00:26:30,140
flood.

644
00:26:30,140 --> 00:26:31,140
It would flood every time.

645
00:26:31,140 --> 00:26:35,100
And he would just get his kayak out with his kids and they'd kayak up and down 17th Street.

646
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:35,940
Oh, awesome.

647
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:39,740
And then he would post pictures on Holland Informed to be like, can someone fix this?

648
00:26:39,740 --> 00:26:40,120
So.

649
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:40,880
Nice.

650
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,500
He's, he was just ahead at the time.

651
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:46,660
And long after they fixed it, he's still posting those photos from four years prior.

652
00:26:46,660 --> 00:26:47,480
He saved them.

653
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,560
I thought we fixed that.

654
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,040
100%.

655
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,800
Scott, were you sledding and tubing behind a car?

656
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,820
Was that you guys in college?

657
00:26:58,820 --> 00:26:59,240
That was me.

658
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,900
Oh, that was not me.

659
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:02,040
Yeah.

660
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:07,140
Open the tailgate and go down on a snow day down the road with a sled.

661
00:27:07,140 --> 00:27:07,520
Yep.

662
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,140
And then the cops pulled us over.

663
00:27:09,140 --> 00:27:12,300
How'd you explain that one?

664
00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:16,400
Well, it was funny because he, I was like sitting in the sled and he pulled up right behind me

665
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,460
and then walked past me.

666
00:27:18,460 --> 00:27:19,120
Cut her loose, cut her loose.

667
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:20,360
To the car driver.

668
00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:24,060
And you're like, I wonder if he was going to talk to me like a pat, you know, because I'm

669
00:27:24,060 --> 00:27:26,180
like driving the sled, you know?

670
00:27:26,180 --> 00:27:29,060
It was awesome.

671
00:27:29,060 --> 00:27:29,760
What did he do?

672
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:30,620
Did you get a ticket?

673
00:27:30,620 --> 00:27:34,360
I think they told us to stop and then that was it.

674
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:35,100
That makes sense.

675
00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:36,320
It was awesome though.

676
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,060
That's so funny.

677
00:27:37,060 --> 00:27:39,900
Highly recommend if you, but.

678
00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:45,400
You should ask, can we hook onto the back of your car and do it with the lights and sirens?

679
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,400
We need a police escort.

680
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:48,860
Stab.

681
00:27:48,860 --> 00:27:53,680
That's like the kind of thing you'd take a picture of and say, won't someone plow these

682
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,080
streets?

683
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:54,520
Jesus.

684
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,920
And put it in your app.

685
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,320
That's true.

686
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,720
There's a person.

687
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:04,000
There's a person who made an anonymous Facebook page where they spray painted penises over

688
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,420
potholes all over their city in the UK.

689
00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:06,700
Oh yeah.

690
00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:08,940
And he named himself Wanksy.

691
00:28:08,940 --> 00:28:11,260
Oh wow.

692
00:28:11,260 --> 00:28:16,980
And this person did that on purpose so that the municipality would have to go and fix it

693
00:28:16,980 --> 00:28:17,660
and clean it up.

694
00:28:17,660 --> 00:28:19,560
And while they were there, they'd fix the pothole.

695
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,080
I love that.

696
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:21,840
So funny.

697
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,100
I've seen the Domino's ones before.

698
00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:27,380
The Domino's just fixes them and puts their logo on top of it.

699
00:28:27,380 --> 00:28:28,620
Whoa.

700
00:28:28,620 --> 00:28:29,760
On public road.

701
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,980
Fixed by Domino's.

702
00:28:30,980 --> 00:28:31,400
You're welcome.

703
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,640
Oh geez.

704
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:33,460
Big corporations.

705
00:28:33,460 --> 00:28:34,340
Big corporations.

706
00:28:34,340 --> 00:28:34,880
Yeah.

707
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,840
I hate that.

708
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:44,480
All right, Richard, what do you have for us this week?

709
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:50,660
Well, I do have a product idea that I'm working on and hopefully Scott's going to help me with

710
00:28:50,660 --> 00:28:52,860
it so I can talk about that one at least first.

711
00:28:52,860 --> 00:28:53,520
Let's do it.

712
00:28:53,520 --> 00:29:00,660
I've been helping Velo kids here in the Holland area and they're a non-profit and their goal

713
00:29:00,660 --> 00:29:02,240
is to really get kids on bikes.

714
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:09,920
And as a non-profit, you really want to be able to communicate to your donors and the community

715
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,620
on what kind of a difference you're making.

716
00:29:12,620 --> 00:29:18,440
And right now, the only metric that they're able to really report is how many kids they

717
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,060
got on bikes.

718
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:24,940
But I thought it would be really cool if we were to be able to create a device to install

719
00:29:24,940 --> 00:29:33,200
on a bike that we could track how many miles and potentially even give parent an access to

720
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,680
an app and actually show them the trail that they rode and how fast they went.

721
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,120
And a lot of these are camps and stuff.

722
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:49,240
So during the camp, on week one, they're probably getting off the couch.

723
00:29:49,380 --> 00:29:52,940
They're going to run onto a bike and they're going to struggle to complete the course.

724
00:29:52,940 --> 00:29:58,720
But by the end of the six-week camp, they're probably rocking it out.

725
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:05,840
And just to be able to show the parents the difference that this program made, this may

726
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,720
have been the very first time that they ever even rode a bike.

727
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,260
Or they might be super competitive and going after it hard.

728
00:30:13,260 --> 00:30:22,040
But the metrics still speak pretty loudly for the individual and for the parents, but more

729
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,440
importantly for the program and the donors.

730
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,300
You know, like last year, they literally tripled the amount of kids that they got on bikes.

731
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:36,120
You know, and they're hoping to grow and expand even more this year into the Grand Haven area.

732
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:43,620
And to be able to have some tangible metrics to show like, hey, we not only had 3,000 kids on bikes,

733
00:30:43,620 --> 00:30:47,860
but we rode, you know, how many thousands of miles with these kids.

734
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:48,640
Totally.

735
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,060
Like that would be pretty cool.

736
00:30:51,060 --> 00:30:58,120
And my thought would be like, especially for the first time riders, like this device could even have a camera.

737
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:04,340
You know, I think of a product that Scott had made a while back, you know, that actually captured the moment.

738
00:31:04,340 --> 00:31:04,880
And Russell.

739
00:31:05,180 --> 00:31:17,240
You know, like how cool would it be to capture the kids very first time for actually, you know, riding a bike and be able to, you know, Scott, you could have that as your, your, your highlight video.

740
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:24,260
You know, that it sends it back to you like, hey, you know, so-and-so your kid, you know, rode their bike for the very first time.

741
00:31:24,260 --> 00:31:26,160
And oh, by the way, here's the video of it.

742
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:26,800
That's great.

743
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,560
It's all existing components.

744
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,040
I was just going to say all of this is been demonetized before.

745
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:31,720
A hundred percent.

746
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,060
GPS, camera.

747
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:42,820
Even bike computers is a category of thing, but I don't think there's distributed bike computers where a fleet is reporting back to like a central tracking thing.

748
00:31:42,820 --> 00:31:43,060
Yeah.

749
00:31:43,060 --> 00:31:45,240
Like the admin is keeping track of all that stuff.

750
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,480
I had this exact same problem that you're describing, but with pedometers.

751
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:59,760
Someone came to me at Hope College and said, we want to measure across all these different employees in our dining area, how many steps they all take to see if we can make some of their like trips across the kitchen more efficient.

752
00:31:59,980 --> 00:32:04,120
Some of these employees walk 8,000 steps a day and some walk 20,000 steps.

753
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,240
That's because they're the baker that has to go over to the mixing station, then all the way across to the oven.

754
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,320
And we want to know where we should put the oven.

755
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:10,720
Right.

756
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:17,640
And I found one company that targets K-12 schools that is like the, everyone gets a pedometer.

757
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:24,360
And then when they're done at the end of gym class, they snap their pedometers in and it just like collects all the information on the computer.

758
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,080
Oh, yeah.

759
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,300
You kind of, you want that, right?

760
00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:29,600
Where you've got like all these bikes with the clipped on computers.

761
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:35,380
And then at the very end, you get back your mileage and your bike number 12 went on this way and here's their map.

762
00:32:35,380 --> 00:32:42,220
And yeah, you don't have to like worry about making accounts for all these different trackers and getting the data somehow.

763
00:32:42,220 --> 00:32:43,300
Dude, that'd be so cool.

764
00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:44,200
I love that, Leo.

765
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,300
And for you, Richard, because like that solves all the battery charging issues.

766
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:51,620
Because you're constantly going back, you're just cycling those guys.

767
00:32:51,620 --> 00:32:52,620
The data gets downloaded.

768
00:32:52,620 --> 00:32:53,960
We don't need wireless anymore.

769
00:32:53,960 --> 00:33:00,820
I did kind of like the idea of a giant mesh network of a bunch of six-year-olds on bikes and Bluetooth going around.

770
00:33:00,820 --> 00:33:03,440
But this is, I really like that, Leo.

771
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:12,220
Even during the event, you could have like the leaderboard of who's in like what place and, you know, oh, wow, so-and-so's gone and they're in number one or whatever, you know.

772
00:33:12,220 --> 00:33:12,860
Yeah.

773
00:33:12,860 --> 00:33:17,420
I mean, this is just the Lime scooter technology minus the scooter, right?

774
00:33:17,420 --> 00:33:24,000
You take all the, I'm sure that those micro SIMs and all that stuff, you just get a little box.

775
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,720
You stick it exactly as Leo said, like boom, throw it on every bike.

776
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,200
That technology is out there.

777
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,220
It's super cheap.

778
00:33:30,220 --> 00:33:33,320
It's just probably a small subscription if you want to use SIM.

779
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,660
If you don't, it probably is just like GPS or something.

780
00:33:36,660 --> 00:33:38,840
You can just create a different set of options.

781
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:39,660
Awesome.

782
00:33:39,660 --> 00:33:41,660
Local Wi-Fi network or something.

783
00:33:41,660 --> 00:33:42,060
Sure.

784
00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:42,920
Zigbee.

785
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:43,460
Yeah.

786
00:33:43,460 --> 00:33:45,700
Just a massive Wi-Fi network over everything.

787
00:33:46,380 --> 00:33:50,400
Leo, what you're saying though, like this is like a niche case for that.

788
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:58,760
But if you had truly had a device that snaps in, like you said, and had an accelerometer and GPS and all those fun things, there's probably a million applications for that.

789
00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:59,160
Totally.

790
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,460
And any factory.

791
00:34:00,460 --> 00:34:01,260
Factory.

792
00:34:01,260 --> 00:34:01,920
Yeah.

793
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,460
Any kind of manufacturing on there.

794
00:34:03,460 --> 00:34:04,980
It's like a supercharged AirTag.

795
00:34:04,980 --> 00:34:06,340
Smart AirTag.

796
00:34:06,620 --> 00:34:10,580
With like network, you know, taking the AirTag to the next level, right?

797
00:34:10,580 --> 00:34:11,180
Yeah.

798
00:34:11,180 --> 00:34:13,420
And they're already pedaling to make power.

799
00:34:13,420 --> 00:34:20,500
You've got to make it so that it's hooked up to the wheel so that there's a little magnet that's like slowly generating an electric current to keep it charged.

800
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:21,860
Sure.

801
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,700
Just shake it, you know?

802
00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:28,100
Or a little wind turbine on the front that's spinning.

803
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:29,560
A little beanie.

804
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:42,260
I can't get over the amount of applications that could have this if you had a closed system where, hey, I know all these tags are going to be back at the end of X time in my possession where I can charge, download data, and figure out what to do with it.

805
00:34:42,260 --> 00:34:42,820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

806
00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:44,000
Your Pedometer one's a great example.

807
00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:51,540
I mean, this might be good for like, I don't know, playgrounds or like if you have camps, right, with a bunch of kids, you know, you don't want to lose a kid.

808
00:34:51,540 --> 00:34:53,380
Give them ankle tight and bracelets.

809
00:34:53,380 --> 00:35:03,600
You know, just like, like if you, you know, if you have like a camp where you have a thousand campers, like it's kind of like a peace of mind aspect.

810
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,240
Like, oh, we are missing a kid.

811
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:10,860
Now, just, you know, it'd be nice to know where they are very quickly.

812
00:35:10,860 --> 00:35:13,680
Maybe it's a safety thing for parents, right?

813
00:35:13,740 --> 00:35:25,220
Because like, if you're going to have your kid off walking around in the woods, you know, their middle school, like there's a lot of camp adventures that you kind of want them to go explore, but you don't want them to.

814
00:35:25,220 --> 00:35:26,200
Find a bear.

815
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,720
Well, or just go somewhere they shouldn't or they get lost.

816
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:42,000
Like, it'd be kind of cool to allow kids to like go on a trail, a set of trails and know that we can find them at the end of the day if they happen to go make a right instead of a left, right?

817
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:47,360
Tons of adventure, like camps out there would need something like this for sure.

818
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:47,700
Yeah.

819
00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:53,480
I think of athletic teams too, like track teams or cross country team.

820
00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:04,500
Imagine a real-time dashboard for a coach at a track meet that you could see your athletes and how they're performing.

821
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:20,180
And if you, you know, from that perspective, if you were able to kind of overlay some of their recent training to see if they're like, you know, if they're going to get one of their personal best or, you know, if they're not having the greatest of a day or whatever.

822
00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:33,820
And then, you know, and if they're running more than one event, like you could, you could really kind of connect with them in between races and say, Hey, like, you know, you're, you're underperforming today or man, you're killing it today.

823
00:36:34,140 --> 00:36:39,180
What are you doing different today that you did, you know, at, you know, training over the past week or two?

824
00:36:39,180 --> 00:36:39,920
That's great.

825
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:45,940
You know, as far as implementation goes, it's fun to dream up the hardware and how we would assemble from basic components.

826
00:36:45,940 --> 00:37:00,520
But you could probably do this with software only on an Apple Watch type thing where like either they're using their own device and you somehow registered into your session that you are managing or you have your case of 20 Apple Watches that you already have.

827
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,480
And then that has everything you need, right?

828
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,760
Yep, for sure.

829
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:04,300
True.

830
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:05,920
You've got GPS accelerometer.

831
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,340
You've got connectivity out.

832
00:37:07,340 --> 00:37:15,040
You've got, you know, you load up the one app that's on there and it's somehow talking back home to home base and reporting out all these stats.

833
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:15,760
That's incredible.

834
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:25,120
It's basically like Strava or one of those other run apps, but more flexible to a centralized, like, like I'm in charge of all these different trackers at once.

835
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,640
All you need then is a big charging station for a bunch of them.

836
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:30,880
That's the only hardware you got to make.

837
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:40,160
And then AliExpress, a ton of cheap Android based smartwatches that you put your own and only your own app on there and you're done.

838
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,140
And then sell it for $10,000 to Russell's school.

839
00:37:44,140 --> 00:37:44,740
Yeah.

840
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:46,620
Or camp.

841
00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:46,820
Yeah.

842
00:37:46,820 --> 00:37:47,620
Yeah.

843
00:37:47,620 --> 00:37:49,440
The camp is an interesting thing, too.

844
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,220
Then you just need a box.

845
00:37:51,220 --> 00:37:52,360
You just need a box.

846
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,120
Yeah.

847
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,740
A charger box.

848
00:37:54,740 --> 00:37:56,000
A charger box.

849
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:56,240
Yeah.

850
00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:08,000
I remember at my hospital or like when my baby was born, they had like a station with 20 iPhones and everybody in this nurse's station uses iPhones to communicate to each other with the Epic app.

851
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:08,420
Yeah.

852
00:38:08,420 --> 00:38:09,380
I mean, it's crazy.

853
00:38:09,380 --> 00:38:10,280
iPhone.

854
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:10,780
Yeah.

855
00:38:10,780 --> 00:38:11,200
Why?

856
00:38:11,340 --> 00:38:12,020
Old iPhones.

857
00:38:12,020 --> 00:38:13,380
I don't know.

858
00:38:13,380 --> 00:38:16,540
It's just they're instead of a walkie talkie, they use iPhones.

859
00:38:16,540 --> 00:38:16,820
Right.

860
00:38:16,820 --> 00:38:22,080
And so you just take that similar concept, just dock and dock and run.

861
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:22,580
Right.

862
00:38:22,580 --> 00:38:23,220
Huh.

863
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:24,360
I want to do this.

864
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,020
Yeah.

865
00:38:25,020 --> 00:38:27,600
It seems like you could get there with just software, right?

866
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:27,960
Mm-hmm.

867
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:28,720
Mm-hmm.

868
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:29,660
You make your app.

869
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:37,060
I wonder if that like the scooter technology or like without the scooter, like you just buy those.

870
00:38:37,060 --> 00:38:38,920
I think those are really cheap, actually.

871
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,420
Just like those little devices.

872
00:38:40,420 --> 00:38:41,840
Little like head unit.

873
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:42,440
Really?

874
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:42,820
Yes.

875
00:38:42,820 --> 00:38:43,820
Yeah.

876
00:38:43,820 --> 00:38:49,860
Like not the whole scooter, but like the SIM card GPS combo, like that's within the scooter itself.

877
00:38:49,860 --> 00:38:51,740
You just take those few components out.

878
00:38:51,740 --> 00:38:52,140
No kidding.

879
00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:53,500
And stick it.

880
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:54,400
I think, yeah.

881
00:38:54,560 --> 00:39:03,020
I was looking at this for next door photo, like for my photo company, like for tracking media, our photographers.

882
00:39:03,020 --> 00:39:07,320
But it was, yeah, I don't, you can buy like a network.

883
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:15,320
Like there's companies out there that are resellers of scooter tech and they sell like the SIM card packages and all that stuff.

884
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,700
And I think there was one that you could bring your own device.

885
00:39:18,700 --> 00:39:23,020
You would buy their, you'd buy their technology that would stick on that scooter.

886
00:39:23,020 --> 00:39:24,020
Sure.

887
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:29,700
But if it doesn't exist, I mean, that's, I mean, just take the three components and throw it in a, you know, a box.

888
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:30,660
You're not as constrained.

889
00:39:30,660 --> 00:39:38,860
If you decide to go with your original idea, Richard, of like something that's clipped onto the bike, then you're not as constrained for battery and weight and size and stuff.

890
00:39:38,860 --> 00:39:49,100
You've got a little bit more room to make something that'll last all day and be a little bit less maintenance than fiddling with, you know, getting watch bands and charging them after a couple hours because they're so small and all that.

891
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:50,680
The screens too, right?

892
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,740
Like just might add a lot of extra, right?

893
00:39:53,740 --> 00:39:58,020
How smart is the smartest bike computer that you could buy just for yourself?

894
00:39:58,020 --> 00:40:03,020
Remember how they had like little like speedometers that you clip onto there and it'll like, look at the wheel.

895
00:40:03,020 --> 00:40:05,540
Do they have those that track location and stuff now?

896
00:40:05,540 --> 00:40:06,300
Can you play Doom on it?

897
00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:08,080
It'll definitely play Doom, I'm sure.

898
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,680
They're, I mean, they've, they've got some that are crazy powerful.

899
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,640
Some of the Garmin stuff for bikes and crazy expensive too.

900
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:30,800
But yeah, some of them will not only, you know, have a GPS and track your ride, but they've got like 4k video capability like built into them.

901
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:31,440
Wow.

902
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:31,900
Yeah.

903
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:33,920
Some of them are pretty out of this world.

904
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,880
When you said 4k video for a brief moment, I thought you meant to watch.

905
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:42,340
I was like, so you can put like Peloton right into a tree.

906
00:40:42,340 --> 00:40:43,340
Right.

907
00:40:43,340 --> 00:40:44,180
Yeah.

908
00:40:44,180 --> 00:40:45,540
No dash cam, but bike.

909
00:40:45,540 --> 00:40:45,960
That's cool.

910
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:46,260
Dash.

911
00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:46,620
Yeah.

912
00:40:46,620 --> 00:40:47,160
Bike cam.

913
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:47,660
Yeah.

914
00:40:47,660 --> 00:40:51,740
I still like the smartwatch version of it because there's just so much flexibility there.

915
00:40:51,860 --> 00:40:57,440
You're a little more weight and battery constrained, but then you do get things like heart rate and all that stuff too, which is cool.

916
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,100
Body metrics.

917
00:40:58,100 --> 00:40:58,680
Yeah.

918
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:03,100
The key component is you're saying like swap them each time you change out, recharge.

919
00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:04,900
That makes it so much easier.

920
00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:12,880
You could do this for like 5k's and marathons and stuff to get a real time map of where all your people are, not just by bib number.

921
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:18,580
But because some of those, the bibs I think are pretty much all smart nowadays and that's how they'll measure your time.

922
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:27,800
But if you could also get like minute by minute analytics across the whole thing for an optional additional fee, I bet a lot of runners and stuff would sign up for that too.

923
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:28,560
Absolutely.

924
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,000
They probably, a lot of them probably have Garmin watches and stuff though.

925
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:43,960
Somehow being able to take your Garmins and Fitbits and Apple watches of the world and like contribute that data out to a centralized organizer of an event or something seems like the missing piece there.

926
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,740
And a lot of these platforms probably aren't incentivized to give that data away, huh?

927
00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:48,720
Yeah, that could be.

928
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:51,600
I think of running, you know, girls on the run.

929
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,420
You know, they're getting middle school, is it middle school?

930
00:41:56,420 --> 00:41:58,220
No, it's elementary school girls.

931
00:41:58,220 --> 00:42:05,640
And they have a program through the school and they run together at least one day a week, maybe two days a week.

932
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,900
And then at the end of the program, they all run a 5k.

933
00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:09,680
Oh, cool.

934
00:42:10,180 --> 00:42:15,880
And, you know, they would totally benefit, you know, because a lot of those kids, they're not going to have the smartwatch, you know.

935
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:24,280
But if the program had some that they could loan out to the different schools, because they don't all do the same 5ks at the same time, right?

936
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:34,380
So if they had a set of these that they could loan out to, you know, the kids at a particular elementary school and they could, you know, not only use it for training, but then use it to run the race.

937
00:42:34,660 --> 00:42:44,320
And then to be able to share that data with family and the program and administrative officer or whatever, you know, then they could maybe even use that data to help tailor the program a little bit, too.

938
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:44,680
Yep.

939
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:52,800
Well, dear listener, if you've chosen to listen to the show instead of Eye of the Tiger while you're running your latest 5k, we're very grateful for your time.

940
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,180
Thanks for listening and hope you enjoyed yourself.

941
00:42:55,180 --> 00:42:56,780
And thank you so much, Richard, for joining.

942
00:42:56,780 --> 00:42:57,480
This was so fun.

943
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:58,280
Yeah, you bet.

944
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,000
Thanks for having me.

945
00:42:59,000 --> 00:42:59,500
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946
00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:02,300
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00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:29,620
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958
00:43:29,620 --> 00:43:30,740
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