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I'm Scott.

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I'm Russell.

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And I'm Leo.

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This is Spitball.

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Welcome to Spitball, where three tech troubadours and a guest empty our heads of startup and

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tech product ideas that we have stuck up in there so you can all have them for free.

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Anything that we say is yours to keep.

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And this week, our guest is brought to you, a friend of all three of ours, but a neighbor

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of mine formerly, Mike, Mike Bass.

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He is a musician and...

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Oh, I got you.

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Senior product manager.

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Senior product manager.

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He's a tech guy.

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And when we were in college together, he was my next door neighbor in our dorm.

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Mad respect for Mike.

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He kind of fell off the radar for a little while, and I'm so excited to have him back in the

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area near us.

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Mike, welcome to Spitball.

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I'm so excited to have you.

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I am beholden to you for the time where you got not just one, but six HP touchpads for

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the group of us.

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And the things you taught me were formative.

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I'm probably indebted to you for my salary that I've been compensated the last five years.

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That was...

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Oh, there it is.

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I was going to ask you if you still have yours.

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I used them for, like, desktop, like, wall clock kiosks and stuff.

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I still got three of them down here.

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Is that running, like, Android 4?

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In arm's reach, too.

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So my HP touchpad is lost in a Motel 8 in Arizona somewhere.

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Yeah.

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And I called the next day, and they denied.

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Some housekeeper's life changed for the better.

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Well, I'm not here to rant about how amazing Palm was for 10 minutes.

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But...

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I would like to believe that that house cleaner, she is now, like, has, like, worships the gods

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of HTML5.

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And has, like, given her life to HTML5.

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Like, that's...

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She's been...

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Coding.

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So there's stuff now, yeah.

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Well, again, among other things, Mike is an accomplished musician.

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So this week is a little warm-up game.

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I've written a game that we're going to call MIDI or Metal.

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Ooh.

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I don't know if any of you guys know this, but...

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Well, Mike certainly would.

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A MIDI controller, M-I-D-I, is usually like a keyboard.

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Looks kind of like a piano.

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Plugs into the computer and speaks the language of MIDI in order to make, like, software instruments.

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So, you know, press the keys and you're getting drums or bass sounds or whatever.

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So I'm going to go down this list here, and we'll always start with our guest as we do every time.

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I want to ask you, is this name the name of a brand name of a MIDI keyboard or a metal band of some kind?

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Some sort of death metal.

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Love it.

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I'm going to start here with you, of course, Mike.

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Nektar Panorama.

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N-E-K-T-A-R.

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Panorama.

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Is that a MIDI controller?

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Okay, never heard of anything, but I'm...

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Okay, I'm going to act with MIDI.

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It is a MIDI controller.

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Very good.

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Well done.

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It's got that, like, that Japanese spirit to it.

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You know, just like that kind of...

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Nektar.

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Yeah, Panorama.

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You don't have that in a death metal band.

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Nektar must be some kind of brand.

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Yeah, I guess so.

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Scott.

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Dark Tranquility.

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I'm hoping that's a death metal band.

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It is.

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It's a Swedish death metal band.

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Well done.

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Russell.

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Complete Control.

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Spelled with two Ks.

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K-O-M-P-L-E-T-K-O-N-T-R-O-L.

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MIDI controller.

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Throwing some Ks for...

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It is indeed a MIDI controller.

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Well done.

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Oh, wow.

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Okay, maybe this is too easy.

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Mike.

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White Zombie.

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Oh, that's a metal band.

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It is a metal band.

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I mean, they use MIDI.

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They use MIDI, but...

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Out of New York City.

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You know them.

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You would know them.

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I figured this might be too easy for you.

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Scott.

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Symphony X.

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Gotta be a MIDI controller, right?

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Prog Metal from New Jersey.

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Oh, man.

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Scott's the first to go.

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Russell.

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Novation.

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N-O-V-A-T-I-O-N.

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Impulse.

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Oh, shoot.

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I was gonna go...

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You know, it's MIDI controller.

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It's gotta be.

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Impulse.

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It is indeed a MIDI controller.

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Well done.

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It's like, yeah.

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No hints, Mike.

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No hints.

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One more time through.

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Mike, Steel Panther.

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I want to believe it's a MIDI controller.

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I really do, but it's gotta be a metal band.

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It's Glam Metal from LA.

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Well done.

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Glam Metal.

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Glam Metal.

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Scott, can you match him?

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Power Trip.

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Gotta be a MIDI controller.

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Thrash Metal Band from Texas.

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And Russell.

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Scott gets the hardest ones.

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Russell, last one.

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Arturia Polybrute.

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A-R-T-U-R-I-A.

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All right.

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This is gonna be some, like, Nordic Metal Band.

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It's a MIDI controller.

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Oh, man.

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Arturia.

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You don't like the Polybrute?

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It's one of their best ones.

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It's like...

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Expectedly.

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Mike, you got a perfect score.

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Well done.

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You won.

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Russell, you are up first this week.

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What do you got for us?

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So, went to Starbucks, and I noticed that they swapped out their typical, like, giant bun

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coffee maker.

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For one of those...

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You guys know the bun?

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B-U-N-N.

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The brand name.

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It's a brand of coffee.

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Every, like, coffee...

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I don't know.

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Commercial coffee machine is bun.

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It's just a giant industrial commercial unit.

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But that's...

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I don't...

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Starbucks used to have something like that, but now they just have one of those typical,

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like, machines that grind beans right there, brew the coffee right in that moment, and

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there you go.

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You have your cup of Starbucks, right?

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Sure.

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Before, like, you see this at Speedway now.

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Like, they grind the beans.

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You see it, like, in certain coffee...

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Like, not coffee...

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Like, in stores, right?

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So, my idea is just simply put, replace all...

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Like, create a coffee drive-thru that is just that.

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It's just fresh coffee grounded through a machine, like a vending machine, like a red box.

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But it's drive-thru, okay?

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And it's super quick.

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You know exactly what you're getting.

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It's the ATM of coffee, right?

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So, I know you get this at gas stations.

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I know that's a thing.

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But, like, this will have a variety of different beans, different roasteries.

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You can still create a coffee shop experience.

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Just no person.

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And I'll be honest.

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Like, for my...

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I was deep in the coffee game for a little bit.

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I was roasting coffee and all this other stuff, right?

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I remember this.

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And there are, like, three core things that make coffee good.

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And it's fresh beans, fresh ground.

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And, like, you brew it a certain way, right?

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They've kind of...

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There's so much, like, tech...

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Like, coffee nerds that created all this great tech to make really good, fresh-roasted brewed coffee.

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And I think, like, 90% of Americans love just fresh black coffee.

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Throw a little creamer.

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Throw a little sugar.

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Right?

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Like, this would just be a drive...

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Like, a vending machine experience.

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Drive-through coffee.

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Don't have to deal with tip.

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You don't have to deal with the conversation.

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I mean, it's too early.

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Like, why talk to anybody?

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It would still ask you for a tip.

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Scott, you know my...

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That's my business model, right?

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That's where the revenue comes from.

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Russell, I got two thoughts on this.

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Go ahead.

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One, completely agree.

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It's...

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If you had something like this, your coffee has to be freaking incredible.

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Just got to taste super good.

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And two, don't make it a drive-through.

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Just put wheels on that thing.

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That thing comes to you.

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It just rolls around.

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You hit a button in order.

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Well, that's...

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The coffee car.

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Boom.

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Door dash.

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But the robot on its own.

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Just scooting around on the sidewalks on this way to your house.

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You just see one while you're driving near it.

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It can just hand you one through the window or something.

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Going door-to-door downtown for the business or whatever.

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Middle of the city.

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Can you...

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So, I'm not a coffee guy.

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For those who are listening who are not coffee people, can you tell me a little bit more about

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So, what Starbucks has converted to is basically what you're talking about?

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Just this machine?

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So, like, they put the cup under and they press 16 ounce, whatever, and it does the whole thing now?

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Does the whole thing.

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I mean, you're not...

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You, as the person, don't go up to the machine and receive the coffee.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But, like, the barista just presses three buttons.

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Really?

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Checks you out.

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And then, that's it.

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I mean, it's better coffee.

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What did they do before?

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It was just, like, discreet machines?

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They'd brew a whole batch and you would receive a little bit from that batch.

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Oh, okay.

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And that's it.

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I did not notice.

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Most coffee shops...

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I mean, most...

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Yeah, coffee shops did that for a very long time.

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I mean, they still do.

274
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If you can afford this machine, then, yeah, you're...

275
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In your coffee experience, does the new Starbucks taste any different?

276
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Honestly, I think it tastes a little better.

277
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No, maybe a little biased.

278
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Consistent.

279
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Yeah.

280
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Consistent.

281
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Because it's ground right then?

282
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Yep.

283
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It's...

284
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Yeah.

285
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Between the time...

286
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Like, if you let coffee ground sit out for too long, it'll...

287
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Like, that's why you never buy pre-ground coffee if you're a coffee drinker.

288
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Like, you always grind it at your house, brew it then and there.

289
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Yeah.

290
00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,980
So, if your roast...

291
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Also, like, if your roast date is, like, sooner, there's a perfect time.

292
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Like, two weeks after it's been roasted or something.

293
00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,600
Of course there is.

294
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Yeah.

295
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Everybody's got their preference, though.

296
00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,860
But then, like, that's when the coffee's really good.

297
00:09:12,860 --> 00:09:16,580
And so, if you think about, like, you turn and burn, like, your coffee.

298
00:09:16,580 --> 00:09:20,540
Like, you buy all that coffee beans in the perfect amount of time.

299
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Buy it in bulk.

300
00:09:21,820 --> 00:09:26,160
And what's great is you can buy really good coffee because you don't have to pay employees.

301
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You don't have to pay utilities to heat those employees.

302
00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,100
You just have a hot water boiler and a couple machines.

303
00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:39,740
And you just run around in a truck, let's say, filling tons of coffee beans in your machine.

304
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That's it.

305
00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:41,140
It's a...

306
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Yeah.

307
00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,500
Now, Russ, I got to visit Japan for the first time a year and a half ago.

308
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And, you know, you want some ramen noodles, you go to the stand and you go to this vending machine.

309
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You put your quarters in.

310
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It spits out a token.

311
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And then you give your token to the one single person that's staffing an 18-seat restaurant.

312
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And so, it's a fully automated checkout.

313
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You just give the receipt.

314
00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,940
And the person then knows what to cook for you.

315
00:10:09,260 --> 00:10:14,640
Similarly, I saw a crazy coffee option, mostly automated, which is very classic.

316
00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:22,320
So, when I'm thinking about this, like, this robot going down the sidewalk, I'm imagining little Hello Kitty kind of, like, you know, like, little robot eyes and stuff.

317
00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:22,400
Oh, yeah.

318
00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:30,660
You could have that kind of, like, you know, Japanese sparkle to it of, like, kind of, like, that kind of automated, like, you know, my robot's my best friend sort of thing.

319
00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,160
Kind of vibing with it.

320
00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,360
That could be the next step.

321
00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:42,440
Dude, I think I would more, like, there's this 2 o'clock low that I, so, like, I think in the morning, like, say, I pack up the units.

322
00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:48,880
After they've done the vending machine in the morning, I pack them up and I put them on a cart and I wheel them around town.

323
00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,840
Because at 2, 3 o'clock, you're like, I could use another cup of coffee.

324
00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:57,240
But the inconvenience is just that there's a threshold.

325
00:10:57,660 --> 00:11:02,900
And so, you know, if you have one of those drones walk around, like, that way I don't have to buy new machines, right?

326
00:11:02,900 --> 00:11:08,940
Throw them in the back of a pickup and now I'm just wheeling around town, throwing some coffees at people that ask for it.

327
00:11:08,940 --> 00:11:11,280
That's interesting, too.

328
00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,760
But, yeah, also making it cute would also help with the branding.

329
00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,340
Because right now it's just freaky fast and robot.

330
00:11:18,340 --> 00:11:19,260
Right.

331
00:11:19,260 --> 00:11:27,620
Could you build it so that it's stocked from the inside of a van and then the dispenser part is on the outside of the van?

332
00:11:27,980 --> 00:11:28,440
Oh, yeah.

333
00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,300
It's not a little vending machine, but you drive up and park in a spot.

334
00:11:31,300 --> 00:11:32,580
Like, spick it on a van and that's it?

335
00:11:32,580 --> 00:11:34,800
I just get a gas nozzle, rip it off.

336
00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:39,520
Real bootstrapping, you know, here we go, fuel.

337
00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:40,420
We'll call it fuel.

338
00:11:40,420 --> 00:11:42,000
That's pretty good.

339
00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,140
Now, do people have preferences for different coffee beans?

340
00:11:45,140 --> 00:11:54,600
And so, like, what if the bot came to my house and I got to put my beans in that are my favorite and it makes me the perfect coffee with that fresh stuff that's of my preference of a local supplier?

341
00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,420
Do they do that at Starbucks?

342
00:11:56,420 --> 00:11:58,620
Starbucks is just like, this is the bean you get.

343
00:11:58,620 --> 00:11:59,920
You can pick from two or three different roasts.

344
00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:00,320
I'm not a coffee guy.

345
00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:01,180
Two or three options.

346
00:12:01,180 --> 00:12:01,500
Yeah.

347
00:12:01,500 --> 00:12:03,960
Blonde, medium, or dark roast, right?

348
00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:04,800
Something like that.

349
00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:05,720
But dang.

350
00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,160
Actually, that would be amazing.

351
00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:18,720
I would love to drink, like, as a coffee nerd, like, drop a couple 43 grams of coffee beans into this machine and it produces the perfect.

352
00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,120
Oh, shoot.

353
00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:22,440
That would be, that's way better, actually.

354
00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,560
So, how big is the one machine that's got, like, three different kinds of beans in it?

355
00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:28,020
Vending machine sized?

356
00:12:28,020 --> 00:12:29,940
You know, it's a, huh.

357
00:12:29,940 --> 00:12:33,180
It's like, let's say two microwaves stacked on top of each other.

358
00:12:33,180 --> 00:12:38,300
So, if you're making this thing vending machine sized, you could scale up and have a dozen or so varieties of bean in that thing.

359
00:12:38,300 --> 00:12:38,980
Absolutely.

360
00:12:38,980 --> 00:12:39,280
Yeah.

361
00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,160
Or you just have, like, a really intricate hopper system.

362
00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:42,560
Yeah.

363
00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:43,080
Right?

364
00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:43,560
That's what I mean.

365
00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:48,280
I also love the thought of just, like, brewing my coffee such a pain in the ass.

366
00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,300
Like, if I could, I would literally take my beans to a drive-thru.

367
00:12:52,300 --> 00:12:56,580
It sounds crazy, but I love that.

368
00:12:56,580 --> 00:12:57,720
You know what I love?

369
00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:04,200
It's that mix of just, like, robot, like, crazy robot automation with that, like, still homegrown personal vibe.

370
00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:05,900
Like, it's that nice congruence.

371
00:13:05,900 --> 00:13:06,820
I'm feeling that.

372
00:13:06,820 --> 00:13:12,120
I'm always jealous of my coworkers who walk up and pour a cup of coffee and leave from the communal, like, coffee pot.

373
00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:20,640
Whereas I have my tea apparatuses and I'm watching Steeping Times and getting it to exactly 185 and doing my whole chemistry set over there.

374
00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,820
I feel like coffee is the convenient option and you guys are babies about it.

375
00:13:24,820 --> 00:13:25,960
Dude.

376
00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:26,920
When you get a really...

377
00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:32,400
Is it really that, like, is it just that the communal coffee pot is bad coffee and this is way better?

378
00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,260
Is that why you go through the hassle?

379
00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,660
Yeah, I guess, like, coffee is good no matter what it is.

380
00:13:38,660 --> 00:13:40,320
It's like, I love coffee that much.

381
00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,740
Like, you give me gas station coffee, that's fine.

382
00:13:42,740 --> 00:13:46,740
Free coffee at a car dealership, hey, whatever, right?

383
00:13:46,740 --> 00:13:47,380
It's coffee.

384
00:13:48,420 --> 00:13:54,980
But when you have, like, a really good pour over from an amazing roaster, you're like, am I drinking cookie coffee?

385
00:13:54,980 --> 00:13:56,280
Is this sweetened?

386
00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:57,380
No.

387
00:13:57,380 --> 00:13:58,500
This is just...

388
00:13:58,500 --> 00:14:00,180
That's what coffee is supposed to be.

389
00:14:00,180 --> 00:14:07,020
And now everybody should experience that with these robot drive-thru, convenient hopper, or, like, whatever.

390
00:14:07,020 --> 00:14:09,860
We drive-thru, we do some drone action or something to shoot.

391
00:14:09,860 --> 00:14:11,520
But, like, yeah.

392
00:14:11,860 --> 00:14:21,540
You always see those TikTok or Reddit where the videos of the guy who has, like, the $10,000 coffee machine and, like, the $500, like, little press thing alone.

393
00:14:21,540 --> 00:14:29,320
And then he makes it and you're just, like, obviously you can't taste it, but you're just looking at it and it looks like liquid gold just coming out of this thing.

394
00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,180
Like, okay, I bet that actually tastes incredible.

395
00:14:31,180 --> 00:14:36,920
I just, I would pay a lot of money just to try that, just to see what good coffee actually is.

396
00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:42,020
Now, Russ, how are you going to respond to, you know, the young people, the Gen Z?

397
00:14:42,020 --> 00:14:44,280
They don't do coffee.

398
00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,200
They, like, colorful things, you know?

399
00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:53,960
So when you go to Starbucks now, you see, like, the rainbow, all the charade of different, like, you know, pink drinks and green drinks and, you know.

400
00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,240
And so it's, like, kind of an evolving.

401
00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,920
So how can you kind of, like, make it work and make this future-proof, you know?

402
00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:01,900
We have cows on site.

403
00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:05,140
It's pulled by cows.

404
00:15:05,140 --> 00:15:05,640
There we go.

405
00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,080
Instead of having motorized wheels, it's a cart.

406
00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,580
Like, it's pulled by a team of four sled cows.

407
00:15:11,580 --> 00:15:13,940
There's some almond trees back there in the second cart.

408
00:15:13,940 --> 00:15:14,780
It's just a train.

409
00:15:14,780 --> 00:15:19,680
We take the cows that advertise Chick-fil-A and we put them in our shop.

410
00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:26,240
So it's moving carts and then drones that fly between the carts, transporting resources between the carts.

411
00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,440
I mean, sure.

412
00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,060
Like, let's throw some dyes.

413
00:15:30,060 --> 00:15:32,740
It's a trick.

414
00:15:32,740 --> 00:15:34,000
You can dupe him.

415
00:15:34,420 --> 00:15:39,960
It's the nicest, most luxurious, fancy coffee you can get and also a squirt of red dye number eight.

416
00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,700
Three pumps of red?

417
00:15:41,700 --> 00:15:43,920
Well, oh, man.

418
00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:44,640
You know what, Mike?

419
00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:45,360
That actually...

420
00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:45,740
Classic.

421
00:15:45,740 --> 00:15:46,020
Okay.

422
00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:53,460
So because this is like a fully automated machine, you could just have user-generated recipes, right?

423
00:15:53,460 --> 00:15:55,320
With dyes or whatever.

424
00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,020
You have all the different milk options, all the different flavor options.

425
00:15:58,020 --> 00:16:00,980
And now, like, you roll up to this machine.

426
00:16:00,980 --> 00:16:05,660
It does three squirts of milk of whatever options you like, you know?

427
00:16:05,660 --> 00:16:08,380
Like the Coca-Cola freestyle machine thing.

428
00:16:08,620 --> 00:16:08,920
Yeah.

429
00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:09,020
Yeah.

430
00:16:09,020 --> 00:16:10,200
You just had all the...

431
00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,440
But he out-nailed it.

432
00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,560
That's exactly it.

433
00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:14,160
Now you get...

434
00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,420
And you can share recipes.

435
00:16:16,420 --> 00:16:17,800
It goes viral.

436
00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,320
There it is.

437
00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:19,540
Yeah.

438
00:16:19,540 --> 00:16:20,160
There it is.

439
00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,320
You got the Mr. Beast, you know, blend.

440
00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:23,600
You know, you go there.

441
00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:24,620
It's just...

442
00:16:24,620 --> 00:16:25,300
Mr. Beans.

443
00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:26,000
And it's...

444
00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,000
I mean, it's all the same stuff, just different pumps.

445
00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:34,600
Like, these Starbucks people have these crazy recipes for, like, Cinnamon Toast Crunch, Three Pump Cinnamon, Three Punch French.

446
00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:35,760
Have you seen these?

447
00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,100
Like, they have a whole...

448
00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:42,340
There's a whole community of Starbucks people that, like, host the recipes online.

449
00:16:42,340 --> 00:16:45,620
And you walk up to the drive-thru and you ask for this crazy order.

450
00:16:45,620 --> 00:16:47,740
Like, literally, like, five different...

451
00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:47,940
You know what I'm saying?

452
00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:49,260
The baristas hate them.

453
00:16:49,260 --> 00:16:49,720
Absolutely.

454
00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:50,740
I think they do.

455
00:16:50,740 --> 00:16:52,140
But they also, like...

456
00:16:52,140 --> 00:16:53,280
I don't know if they care that much.

457
00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:53,780
They're just...

458
00:16:53,780 --> 00:16:54,780
Because they're so used to it.

459
00:16:54,900 --> 00:16:56,820
Like, Starbucks is, like, fine with it or something.

460
00:16:56,820 --> 00:16:58,780
But don't have to deal with it.

461
00:16:58,780 --> 00:17:03,500
You just whirl up, scan your QR code, and now you got your recipes or your...

462
00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:05,040
Let's say your entire order, right?

463
00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,200
That does sound fun.

464
00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,960
You know, you go to McDonald's now and you just got a bazillion options.

465
00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,480
You're like, I didn't know this was all possible.

466
00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,120
There's all these, you know, on these tap menus.

467
00:17:13,120 --> 00:17:14,540
I'm surprised that...

468
00:17:14,540 --> 00:17:15,460
I think that's a great idea.

469
00:17:15,460 --> 00:17:18,840
Some sort of viral, like, element of, like, here's what people are ordering.

470
00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,420
Like, and you can take that and remix it, you know, and kind of just like it.

471
00:17:23,460 --> 00:17:25,580
And it just, you know, keeps going and going.

472
00:17:25,580 --> 00:17:26,980
I'm in.

473
00:17:26,980 --> 00:17:27,540
Man.

474
00:17:27,540 --> 00:17:28,160
Yeah.

475
00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,780
Like, what if, you know, you do a promo of, like, we give you, like, samples, too.

476
00:17:32,780 --> 00:17:34,460
Like, here's a little sample.

477
00:17:34,460 --> 00:17:39,340
You would never do that at a coffee shop because economies of scale does not make sense for that,

478
00:17:39,340 --> 00:17:39,620
right?

479
00:17:39,620 --> 00:17:43,460
But, like, now you're like, here's a little sample with your coffee this morning to get

480
00:17:43,460 --> 00:17:44,920
them to try new things, right?

481
00:17:45,180 --> 00:17:48,680
Like, you could never get a sample of the caramel brulee at Starbucks.

482
00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,800
Like, you know, you'd have to take a sip of some of your friends.

483
00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:57,000
But if you don't have any, you know, two kids, you just dream.

484
00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,860
Red box coffee.

485
00:17:59,860 --> 00:18:00,320
Yeah.

486
00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:01,160
That's another thing.

487
00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:02,520
You could just set these up.

488
00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:06,040
You get the brand recognition and you throw this at a Walgreens, right?

489
00:18:06,180 --> 00:18:08,980
Like, it doesn't have to be a full-on stand.

490
00:18:08,980 --> 00:18:13,400
Just, like, throw it everywhere, you know, and you just have, it's just, you have a really

491
00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,480
intricate machine with all your...

492
00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,160
It really has to be a premium product, but I think people could go for that.

493
00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,960
Keep the beans in cold storage or nitrogen.

494
00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,560
But I think there's a convenience element, too, of, like, it's pretty, seems pretty quick

495
00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,860
and customizable and you don't have to, like, feel any sense of shame with your very strange

496
00:18:30,860 --> 00:18:31,160
order.

497
00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,340
Order ahead of time on the app.

498
00:18:33,340 --> 00:18:34,840
It has your GPS location.

499
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,760
It's perfectly made by the time, the second you get there and reach for it.

500
00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:44,680
I feel like your, uh, your main pushback is going to be from the, like, robots are taking

501
00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:45,380
our jobs.

502
00:18:45,380 --> 00:18:47,020
I want the human touch crowd.

503
00:18:47,020 --> 00:18:47,760
You know what I mean?

504
00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,060
So, like, how do we address that?

505
00:18:50,060 --> 00:18:52,600
We will hire one human to hand you your coffee.

506
00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:53,720
Just like Starbucks.

507
00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,940
The vending machine arm.

508
00:18:55,940 --> 00:18:59,940
It grabs it from the vending machine and hands it to you.

509
00:18:59,940 --> 00:19:01,240
That'll be $6.

510
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,440
Put some googly eyes on it.

511
00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:04,760
That seems to cover it.

512
00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,840
I mean, in principle, yes, Leo.

513
00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:11,820
But when you get those TikTokers on there, sharing their custom recipes, it's going to

514
00:19:11,820 --> 00:19:12,980
be more human than Starbucks.

515
00:19:12,980 --> 00:19:13,800
That's very true.

516
00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,320
If you can somehow incorporate the social aspect of it, a social network, but for coffee that's

517
00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:19,320
built in on the menu.

518
00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,300
It's got the viral trends of the day.

519
00:19:21,300 --> 00:19:21,680
Yeah.

520
00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,740
Or just market it as, hey, you don't have to talk to a human.

521
00:19:24,740 --> 00:19:28,100
You can just get your coffee without interacting with anyone.

522
00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:30,200
For the socially anxious.

523
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,620
For the socially anxious.

524
00:19:31,620 --> 00:19:34,860
But if you want to know who you're employing, just take, look at this picture of me and

525
00:19:34,860 --> 00:19:36,440
my yacht just sailing around.

526
00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,760
The CEO.

527
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,120
Working hard at my computer.

528
00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:44,140
The CEO of Redbox, but for coffee.

529
00:19:44,140 --> 00:19:45,080
Brown box.

530
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,480
Brown box.

531
00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:46,800
Eh.

532
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,220
No, probably not that.

533
00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:49,720
I have a job.

534
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:50,980
Like, you're employing me.

535
00:19:50,980 --> 00:19:51,560
I mean...

536
00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:56,500
Scott, this wouldn't work for you because I know you don't drink any coffee.

537
00:19:56,500 --> 00:19:57,160
Same.

538
00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,720
One thimble full and I'll be wired for a week.

539
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:01,840
Is that you, Scott, too?

540
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,740
Something hit me when I was 20 years old and I drank a little ounce of Coca-Cola in Phelps

541
00:20:06,740 --> 00:20:07,880
Hall and I just...

542
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,820
Something hit me and I couldn't handle it.

543
00:20:09,820 --> 00:20:13,180
So I get decaf coffee and it makes me...

544
00:20:13,180 --> 00:20:14,000
It really shakes me up.

545
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:14,620
Just that stuff.

546
00:20:14,620 --> 00:20:15,600
That's how my wife is, too.

547
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:15,880
Yeah.

548
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:20,080
I think I just got scarred by Russell and people when we did Ring Cam together because

549
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,580
they wouldn't make coffee.

550
00:20:21,580 --> 00:20:26,980
They would make a pot of black acid over there and drink like three of them a day.

551
00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:29,780
I'd try a little bit and people are like, oh my God.

552
00:20:29,780 --> 00:20:37,000
And this seems to be inventing an automated robotic TikTok coffee machine.

553
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,180
Because he's terrible at it.

554
00:20:38,180 --> 00:20:40,680
A pH of three.

555
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:48,880
All righty, Scotty B.

556
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,860
What do you got this week?

557
00:20:50,860 --> 00:20:51,580
Okay.

558
00:20:51,580 --> 00:20:56,580
I know we generally avoid AI topics, but I got one that I think is actually applicable here.

559
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:56,900
Hmm.

560
00:20:56,900 --> 00:20:57,460
Okay.

561
00:20:57,460 --> 00:20:58,040
All right.

562
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,500
I had a weird medical throat thing this year.

563
00:21:01,500 --> 00:21:07,640
I got it resolved, but it took a crap ton of effort and specialists and ENTs and a lot of

564
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,280
like subreddit research to figure out what the heck was going on with me.

565
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:11,000
I hate getting older.

566
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,400
And one of the worst parts of the...

567
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,040
The whole thing was the amount of time between appointments.

568
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,000
You set up something with one person and then it's like months.

569
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,740
And then you finally go in to see them.

570
00:21:20,740 --> 00:21:22,900
And then the next appointment, they're like, I recommend this person.

571
00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:23,800
And it's months.

572
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,560
Coordinating all of that was horrible.

573
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:33,960
Let alone my general practitioner was just like, I don't even remember who you are, let alone what's happening to you.

574
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,520
Because I haven't seen you in so long.

575
00:21:36,460 --> 00:21:40,500
So what I started doing is just literally, I said, screw HIPAA and all this stuff.

576
00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:43,860
I just started uploading documents to ChatGPT.

577
00:21:43,860 --> 00:21:47,620
I blocked out a couple of things, but I'm just like, this is what's happening to me.

578
00:21:47,620 --> 00:21:48,980
Walk me through it.

579
00:21:49,220 --> 00:21:52,560
And it was like a project manager master.

580
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,720
It was just like, here's what's happening.

581
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,780
I see you've done this, this, and this.

582
00:21:56,780 --> 00:21:58,680
I would recommend your next step would be this guy.

583
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,020
You should follow up with this one about this going through.

584
00:22:01,020 --> 00:22:02,640
It was incredible.

585
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,700
And it was just something that never occurred to me that I could do with AI.

586
00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:10,960
So pitch this week, I want an AI medical coordinator.

587
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:17,940
That's the only one that's actually on your side when you're trying to figure out some weird medical thing that's going on with you.

588
00:22:18,260 --> 00:22:23,080
And I was talking about this to a co-worker, and he had literally the exact same thing.

589
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,480
He was having some weird medical issue, and he was going through all these different specialists and blah, blah, blah.

590
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,180
And he's like, I just wish I had a project manager to tell me what the frick to do next.

591
00:22:31,180 --> 00:22:33,040
So that's my pitch this week.

592
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,780
An AI bot that walks through my medical records.

593
00:22:35,780 --> 00:22:39,720
Well, when you first set this up, I thought you were going to talk about the scheduling nightmare.

594
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,840
And it does seem like there's like a traveling salesman problem of coordinating that, right?

595
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,140
That's its own other thing in just a shitty American healthcare system.

596
00:22:47,460 --> 00:22:48,160
It's true.

597
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:54,020
I was wondering if that's the low-hanging fruit that AI could start with and step in as.

598
00:22:54,020 --> 00:22:57,600
Like, I see that you have these three tests that need to get done.

599
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,200
I know that two of them are in the same building over here.

600
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,200
So I'm going to call both of them and try to get the first time that they're both available at the same time.

601
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,180
You know, that kind of like coordinating side of things.

602
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:08,860
That's, yeah, that's fair.

603
00:23:08,860 --> 00:23:15,580
I've learned the secret with that is you just call whoever your appointment is for six months out and be like, if you have a cancellation, call me anytime and I'll make it work.

604
00:23:15,580 --> 00:23:16,960
And then just like, I don't care.

605
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,480
I will quit my job and just go to that appointment.

606
00:23:20,140 --> 00:23:21,500
And they get you in and it's great.

607
00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:31,920
But no, it was the fact that it could read my test results, compare it with whatever intelligence it has on there and be like, I actually think you should be doing this instead of this guy over here.

608
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:32,640
This ENT.

609
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,820
When you go and talk to this ENT, make sure to ask these questions.

610
00:23:36,820 --> 00:23:39,920
And it gave me a list of like seven things to think about going through.

611
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:40,880
And it was huge.

612
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,120
And it helped me figure this out.

613
00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:45,560
It's like WebMD, but even more hallucinating.

614
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,960
It's WebMD, but much less scary and much more realistic.

615
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,620
I don't, everything wasn't lupus and cancer.

616
00:23:52,620 --> 00:23:54,900
It was just like, oh no, it's just such and such.

617
00:23:54,900 --> 00:24:02,040
So do they like give you medical advice, you know, quote unquote, like, or was it just more like medical coordination?

618
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,740
So I went like, for example, I went to one ENT and he's like, okay, we ran this test.

619
00:24:06,740 --> 00:24:09,140
Take this test back to your general practitioner.

620
00:24:09,140 --> 00:24:13,600
You do that several months later and they're just like, uh, I think the ENT summed it up.

621
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:13,940
You're fine.

622
00:24:13,940 --> 00:24:14,580
Yeah.

623
00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:15,080
Okay.

624
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:21,200
And then you went to chat GPT and you said, I don't know if they did a good job and they figured out the next thing.

625
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,100
Exactly.

626
00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:27,100
And it's like, well, we would recommend your next step is you should go see this type of specialist and ask them these questions.

627
00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:29,740
And it was still this whole rabbit trail to follow.

628
00:24:29,740 --> 00:24:37,940
But I felt like I had someone on my side walking me through the path and remembering all the information of all the things I've told them before.

629
00:24:37,940 --> 00:24:38,860
That's whack.

630
00:24:38,860 --> 00:24:39,840
Yeah.

631
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,180
My medical data is like the last thing I would say.

632
00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:43,720
I need to get stuff into AI.

633
00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:50,060
So what would your proposed product to do that chat GPT can't do yet?

634
00:24:50,060 --> 00:24:57,220
Are there things that would optimize this experience more where it's like, oh yeah, this is the medical version and here's why it's better.

635
00:24:57,220 --> 00:24:57,740
You know what I mean?

636
00:24:57,740 --> 00:25:03,120
I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of privacy things that we probably got to figure out with uploading any data to that.

637
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:04,960
But beyond that, no.

638
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,900
Notebook LM would be perfect for this.

639
00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:07,200
Yeah.

640
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,140
Have you played with Notebook LM?

641
00:25:08,140 --> 00:25:10,360
Google's Notebook LM.

642
00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:11,860
What is it?

643
00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:15,620
Up to 50 at time of recording.

644
00:25:15,620 --> 00:25:22,400
50 sources of as big as the book you're working on to as small as a one-page PDF of some document or whatever.

645
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,180
Like your medical records or whatever.

646
00:25:24,180 --> 00:25:25,420
They promise not to train on it.

647
00:25:25,420 --> 00:25:31,000
And it's a LLM that's hyper-targeted at like pulling and summarizing and citing.

648
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:41,200
So it's not pulling from the copus of all knowledge so much as it's saying, well, here, here, and here I've noticed these patterns among these 50 documents or whatever.

649
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,640
And it seems like it'd be perfect for what you're talking about.

650
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:49,100
You have your like ongoing journal of all the recent tests and stuff that you've done.

651
00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:53,880
And you can like interrogate that by typing along and asking it questions and stuff.

652
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,920
What have you noticed in my blood pressure in the last 12 months or whatever?

653
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:04,280
Yeah, and in terms of like liability and whatnot, you give it some instruction to say like do not give medical advice.

654
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,220
You know, give me and, you know, coach me on what I could do with a doctor.

655
00:26:08,220 --> 00:26:10,700
And then you reassure people like, oh, don't worry.

656
00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:14,300
It's only going to put you towards, you know, health and not towards, you know.

657
00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:23,680
I think too, like if you actually, so like ChatGPT usually helps people do their job better, right?

658
00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:37,180
So if you think about this being a superpower for the human job, that would be, let's say, using this tool, Scott, to help them do whatever it is that they're going to be doing.

659
00:26:37,180 --> 00:26:41,120
So like kind of like a personal shopper, but for medical.

660
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:42,700
So they would set up your appointments.

661
00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:44,860
They would talk to other doctors.

662
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:51,680
They would actually, let's say, go one step beyond and like receive that advice, call the ENT for you.

663
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,840
Like, you know what I mean?

664
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,240
Like sometimes you're going to the doctor and what are they going to do?

665
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,720
Just tell you, like ask you questions.

666
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:06,640
Like maybe it's just like a little bit of the telemedicine, you know, meets ChatGPT, meets your personal shopper, right?

667
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:15,540
And like in your specific experience, it's probably like there are people that have like really bad diseases that have to deal with the billing.

668
00:27:15,540 --> 00:27:19,220
Not that you don't, I don't know what your disease is, but like or not.

669
00:27:20,340 --> 00:27:22,580
Some people actually have it rough, Scott.

670
00:27:22,580 --> 00:27:24,400
No, I got you.

671
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:24,920
You know what I mean?

672
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:34,160
Like the bad, the super bad ones, the ones that are like, oh, my entire financial life is crippled, right?

673
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,800
And so like now you have to deal with health insurance.

674
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,420
Now you have to figure out your like payment schedule.

675
00:27:40,420 --> 00:27:44,940
And you know, like my mom's like a lot of my family, I'm half Filipino, right?

676
00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:47,820
Is in the nursing and medical world.

677
00:27:47,980 --> 00:27:55,460
And sometimes you just talk to the social worker at the hospital and they're like, yeah, we can wave like 80% of these fees for you just asking us.

678
00:27:55,460 --> 00:28:02,540
And like it's kind of crazy how if you had somebody that's like, yeah, I navigate this system all day, every day.

679
00:28:02,540 --> 00:28:09,480
Like the social engineer with this tool that you create, Scott, is like now you have the super duper power, right?

680
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:23,920
Because like if you think about it, if your medical expenses hit like 50K, let's say like why not hire a professional to help navigate that with this superpower tool with your other stuff, right?

681
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,220
So, yeah.

682
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,240
I get what you're saying.

683
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:32,960
And that's definitely like, you know, several steps beyond of what this thing, what I was thinking on this guy.

684
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:42,860
I'm still just like caught on the MVP of like, I just want someone to tell me just to remember what is happening and tell me what to do next on here.

685
00:28:42,980 --> 00:28:52,680
Because these rabbit holes, when you start going on a subreddit of just like people who've had some similar problem, it gets very deep and very scary very quick.

686
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:53,600
Yeah.

687
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,960
This subreddit's killing me.

688
00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:06,980
This could be the two-ended interface for both you and your primary care doctor where like, hey, you know, here's the like two-minute summary of everything that you've done for me.

689
00:29:06,980 --> 00:29:11,560
What I have done up to this point and it sums it up in a way that your doctor's like, okay, I'm on the same page here.

690
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,700
Yeah, that connects to something I was thinking.

691
00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:23,780
I was part of the value prop, part of the pitch is like what makes you different than GPT is that you have medical professionals on hand that can check your work.

692
00:29:23,780 --> 00:29:30,580
So, if it suggests something and you're like, I really love this and I want to make sure it's good before I bet on it, you just click a button.

693
00:29:30,580 --> 00:29:32,600
It gets cued to the medical professional.

694
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,940
Then they confirm it back to you within 24 hours.

695
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:48,360
Apple Watches and Withings and Fitbits of the world are adding more and more features where it's like, spit out a PDF of the last like 60 days of my sleep data or my heart rate data or whatever.

696
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,920
And you can use this to give it to your medical professional.

697
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:57,880
But like, what doctor is going to look at your heart rate for the last two months and say, oh, I get exactly what's going on here, right?

698
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,580
This is like that idea, but actually useful where like, hey, doc.

699
00:30:02,580 --> 00:30:04,700
Here's what I've tried so far.

700
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:05,860
Here's the summary of what's been.

701
00:30:05,860 --> 00:30:06,340
Yeah, exactly.

702
00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:10,720
Because like you said, he's got a million patients and it's been four months since you've seen him last and stuff.

703
00:30:10,820 --> 00:30:13,040
Like, how is he supposed to remember or she?

704
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,860
Yeah, I guess I think the MVP is dope.

705
00:30:15,860 --> 00:30:19,920
I think it would be supercharged by like the medical professional, right?

706
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,020
That would be interesting.

707
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:27,300
I mean, I'm excited about it because I feel like I stop when the doctor says, ah, you're fine, right?

708
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:28,020
I'm like, great.

709
00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:30,500
I just need somebody to tell me that so I can move on with my life.

710
00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:35,340
Like, even my wife's like, ah, you don't need it.

711
00:30:35,340 --> 00:30:36,680
We got a baby.

712
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,060
You got to leave that one for the next year, right?

713
00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:39,660
I'm sorry.

714
00:30:39,660 --> 00:30:46,060
But I mean, like, I think like, okay, I have an advocate, right?

715
00:30:46,060 --> 00:30:49,400
Like, you kind of need, you know, words of, what are they called?

716
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,600
When you speak.

717
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:51,080
Affirmation.

718
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,940
Words of affirmation, right, Mike?

719
00:30:52,940 --> 00:30:53,400
Yeah.

720
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,900
Words of affirmation.

721
00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:57,800
To like get you the confidence to like, all right, this is my health.

722
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:58,680
This is my future.

723
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,980
Like, this is, I got to do this, right?

724
00:31:00,980 --> 00:31:05,840
I mean, there's an element of that that you're, that this, what do we call it?

725
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,900
Like, Dr. GPT or something.

726
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:10,800
Dr. GPT.

727
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:11,240
Oh, God.

728
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,060
I mean, Dr. Phil.

729
00:31:12,060 --> 00:31:13,660
I was thinking project manager, but.

730
00:31:13,660 --> 00:31:15,060
Dr. Phil GPT.

731
00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:15,340
Dr. Chad.

732
00:31:15,340 --> 00:31:16,620
Okay, so that way it's not.

733
00:31:16,620 --> 00:31:19,160
Sorry, I'm attacking Dr. Phil.

734
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,440
So the robots are going to take our coffee jobs and our doctor jobs.

735
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,240
Yeah.

736
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:31,360
I mean, Scott, it's actually like making a GPT on, it's like, it's literally like you could

737
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,040
do it in the background while we're having this conversation.

738
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:34,800
Yeah.

739
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:35,680
You just give it up.

740
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:36,500
That's simple on there.

741
00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:37,720
Like, I did this.

742
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,660
I used this and it was fantastic.

743
00:31:39,660 --> 00:31:41,640
How do we monetize?

744
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,400
Have you made the actual like custom GPTs?

745
00:31:44,620 --> 00:31:44,980
No.

746
00:31:44,980 --> 00:31:45,060
No.

747
00:31:45,060 --> 00:31:45,540
They're dope.

748
00:31:45,540 --> 00:31:48,740
You'd like that system where you give it all the pre-trained info.

749
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:52,880
I tried to make one for reading data sheets and it wasn't very good at that.

750
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,180
That's exactly what I did, Scott.

751
00:31:54,180 --> 00:31:55,720
I never went to it again.

752
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,280
Someone else will do it better.

753
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,200
I'll just wait a year.

754
00:32:00,860 --> 00:32:03,820
Where's the overlay on top of GPT to help me?

755
00:32:03,820 --> 00:32:04,080
Yeah.

756
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,920
But if you get your instructions and your prompts right, I know your current system is putting

757
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,620
them into notepad or whatever and like a copy pasting everything.

758
00:32:12,620 --> 00:32:17,220
But if you get that right into a GPT, then you can monetize them within the platform.

759
00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:21,900
Other people can pay to use your GPT like instructions and stuff.

760
00:32:22,420 --> 00:32:26,180
You can also create a standalone app and charge the subscription for it like all these other

761
00:32:26,180 --> 00:32:27,320
companies that do it.

762
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,900
The classic version.

763
00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:30,840
This is why I don't like talking about AI.

764
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,900
There's so many wrappers out there.

765
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:33,240
Yeah.

766
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,060
This is one that was actually helpful.

767
00:32:35,060 --> 00:32:36,200
That's really cool.

768
00:32:37,060 --> 00:32:38,500
But I think this is different.

769
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:43,640
Like I feel like all the other GPTs or AI tools are like superhuman thinking.

770
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,580
This is just like helpful.

771
00:32:45,580 --> 00:32:49,600
Like and this is such an in like in a system that needs this right now.

772
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,740
Yeah.

773
00:32:50,740 --> 00:32:51,460
That's the big one.

774
00:32:51,460 --> 00:32:56,640
You could also monetize by making a badass tool and then get it acquired by Epic.

775
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,140
There's like two companies that run all the records, the medical record system.

776
00:33:01,140 --> 00:33:02,660
So it's pretty easy.

777
00:33:02,660 --> 00:33:04,760
And that's very true.

778
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,540
Epic would never want to do this themselves.

779
00:33:06,540 --> 00:33:07,500
maybe right away.

780
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:10,600
They want to get it tested by somebody else, you know, in their startup.

781
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,020
So.

782
00:33:11,020 --> 00:33:15,680
And like two thirds of all these AI startups that are getting millions of dollars of venture

783
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,560
capital seed money or just GPT wrappers on the open AI APIs anyway.

784
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,960
So you make yourself your little prompts, put a little website together.

785
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:24,380
Boom.

786
00:33:24,380 --> 00:33:25,100
Millionaire.

787
00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:26,620
But seriously.

788
00:33:26,620 --> 00:33:29,620
Is that too cynical of a note to end on?

789
00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:35,820
All right, Leo.

790
00:33:36,020 --> 00:33:37,300
What do you have this week?

791
00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:37,840
All right.

792
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:38,900
Time to lighten the mood.

793
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:40,500
You guys have been way too dark.

794
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:41,640
You're trying to take all our jobs.

795
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,420
Dark like coffee.

796
00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:43,280
Medical issues.

797
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,500
Dark roast.

798
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:49,020
I've got an idea for a fun, lighthearted art project and tech website.

799
00:33:49,020 --> 00:33:53,480
That's one of those like single page apps that I'd want to throw together if I had the time

800
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:53,900
to do it.

801
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:55,140
So someone out there needs to do this.

802
00:33:55,580 --> 00:34:04,160
Did you know there are 500 hours of YouTube content uploaded to the platform every minute?

803
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,040
I know.

804
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,320
That's as of 2022.

805
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,400
It's probably even higher now.

806
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:14,800
I have many coworkers, especially of generations older than mine, who love looking at clips of

807
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,940
videos and movies and TV shows that they treasure on YouTube.

808
00:34:18,940 --> 00:34:24,440
They just pull up the, yeah, isn't that the hilarious joke from Seinfeld that you remember?

809
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,880
Or Tommy boy.

810
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,540
I got to show you this Tommy boy clip over and over again, right?

811
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:38,560
I bet that across those 500 hours of content a minute, every part of most Hollywood movies has

812
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,640
been uploaded to YouTube at some point as a three second clip.

813
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:52,040
I want to use AI to try to make the movie streaming service of the worst possible quality where you're

814
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:59,600
preloading three to 10 YouTube videos that are the sequential overlapping cut to cut to cut movie

815
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,200
in as much of an entirety as you can, just for fun.

816
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:08,120
Even if it's one like predefined movie that you just try to put together, I bet you could assemble

817
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:16,100
all of the Avengers or whatever, just from people's shaky cams and like 10 second clip of that one

818
00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:16,840
scene that they love.

819
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,140
So they uploaded it and stuff.

820
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:23,760
All you need to do is break down all the frames of a Hollywood movie or a TV show episode and

821
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,060
try to like find where they all exist across the platform.

822
00:35:27,060 --> 00:35:27,420
Right.

823
00:35:27,420 --> 00:35:32,860
And some of them will be in videos named hilarious fart joke dot MP4.

824
00:35:32,860 --> 00:35:33,200
Right.

825
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,800
But I bet you could do it if you have the right search tools at your disposal.

826
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:42,320
The hard part is going to be the content discovery, but I want to make podunk streaming dot biz where

827
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,740
you go there and you type in a Hollywood movie and it tries its very best.

828
00:35:47,740 --> 00:35:53,700
It'll take a long time to process to use the search API and find all of these frames and put

829
00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:54,240
them together.

830
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:58,640
Because once you have the list of movies and the time codes of the actual like source,

831
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,380
it'd be pretty easy to like get all these YouTube embedded players all loading in the background

832
00:36:03,380 --> 00:36:07,520
and then play to play to play to play to play and stitch them all start to end.

833
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,840
That's the art project that I'd love someone to build if they have the time.

834
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,440
I love this so much.

835
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,280
And I got I got I got two extensions to throw off there.

836
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:16,400
Yeah.

837
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:16,600
Yeah.

838
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:25,360
Number one, you can flip a switch and opt instead of like school stage recreations.

839
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,240
So you're watching like Shrek.

840
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:28,000
Yeah.

841
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,840
And it's like the actual DreamWorks film.

842
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,560
But there's one shot where suddenly it's in a middle school like theater room.

843
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:36,660
And then it comes back.

844
00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:39,240
It comes back to the DreamWorks CGI after.

845
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:41,600
There was someone who did this with Star Wars.

846
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,180
The entirety of Star Wars was broken up into like one minute or less chunks.

847
00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:50,120
And they gave all of those different chunks to various creators and said, you do a claymation

848
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:50,340
one.

849
00:36:50,340 --> 00:36:51,620
You do an animated one.

850
00:36:51,620 --> 00:36:56,820
You do like your friends with paper plate costumes and robes and you act it out.

851
00:36:56,820 --> 00:36:59,100
And they like stitched it all together to be the whole movie.

852
00:36:59,100 --> 00:36:59,680
It's really fun.

853
00:36:59,680 --> 00:36:59,940
Yeah.

854
00:36:59,940 --> 00:37:00,840
That'd be so fun.

855
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:01,860
Yeah.

856
00:37:01,860 --> 00:37:02,680
Okay.

857
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:13,760
extension number two and it's art so I can make reference to AI is if it's missing a

858
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:19,520
clip, you can opt to say, I want to reference all the other clips to generate what would

859
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:20,980
be the filler clip.

860
00:37:20,980 --> 00:37:25,780
What does AI think those three minutes of Shrek that are missing would be?

861
00:37:25,780 --> 00:37:26,580
Exactly.

862
00:37:26,580 --> 00:37:30,000
That would be so crazy.

863
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,600
Oh, man.

864
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:33,660
Generate a script.

865
00:37:33,660 --> 00:37:35,880
Generate what the frames would look like.

866
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:36,920
Oh, that'd be awesome.

867
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,080
And then we watch B-movie.

868
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:38,760
Oh, man.

869
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,220
I just want to build that now.

870
00:37:40,220 --> 00:37:45,540
So you take the whole two hour movie and then you choose like a point where you cut out three

871
00:37:45,540 --> 00:37:48,460
minutes of it and you have AI trying to guess what that would have been.

872
00:37:48,460 --> 00:37:49,360
That would be really fun.

873
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,920
But really, how messed up would B-movie be?

874
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,040
If you try to watch B-movie, there's so many B-movie memes.

875
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:54,580
Yeah.

876
00:37:54,580 --> 00:37:56,180
That it just would get broken.

877
00:37:56,180 --> 00:37:57,180
It would just break.

878
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,580
The data sets all screwed up with people.

879
00:37:59,580 --> 00:38:00,240
Yeah, right.

880
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:03,500
That's how we're going to stop our AI overlords one day.

881
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:05,960
Get occupied and distracted.

882
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,200
Okay.

883
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,720
So like another way you could do this too is you take the transcript of the whole movie

884
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:17,160
and it's way easier for YouTube to read like transcripts because they got it available.

885
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,520
You could just generate the entire movie using random clips that have the same lines.

886
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,260
Oh, yeah.

887
00:38:22,260 --> 00:38:24,440
So like every line you just generate.

888
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:24,820
All right.

889
00:38:24,820 --> 00:38:26,300
Where's the words?

890
00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:27,300
Fly you fools.

891
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:27,680
Right.

892
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,380
And it just goes and finds some random clip with that transcript, adds it in there,

893
00:38:32,380 --> 00:38:37,980
and now you have this entire movie end to end from random YouTube clips from the transcripts

894
00:38:37,980 --> 00:38:38,340
That's fun.

895
00:38:38,340 --> 00:38:43,980
Like you see those videos of people stitching together like some CNN anchor rapping or like

896
00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:47,900
Obama doing Gangster's Paradise or whatever just because it's a bunch of little clips of

897
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:52,000
him saying half of one syllable of one word, cutting straight to another one.

898
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:52,560
Yeah.

899
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,260
You do that, but the whole movie, that'd be great.

900
00:38:54,260 --> 00:38:54,440
Yeah.

901
00:38:54,440 --> 00:39:02,160
And then you add like a layer of like to that end, like only presidents or like only celebrities

902
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,520
or yeah.

903
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,720
Only middle school plays.

904
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:06,200
Children.

905
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,740
Acting out like, yeah, the B movie or something.

906
00:39:09,740 --> 00:39:16,660
Or a Pulp Fiction, just a bunch of clips of random school plays making the whole.

907
00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:22,500
You're making me think of what movies would I want to watch with all these fun little elements.

908
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:24,600
All the Shreks is the right answer.

909
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,820
That was a fantastic idea.

910
00:39:27,820 --> 00:39:32,240
I had some dark thoughts like The Passion of the Christ or something, but I don't know if

911
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:32,820
that's okay.

912
00:39:32,820 --> 00:39:34,420
You can cut that if you want.

913
00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:36,560
Somebody.

914
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:42,020
I'm so curious about the legality of just like normal YouTube.

915
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:47,140
I can upload, you know, a minute or two apparently of some movie clip.

916
00:39:47,140 --> 00:39:51,440
I could watch the bar scene and then Glorious Bastards and that's just on YouTube.

917
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,780
And that would feed into your thing.

918
00:39:53,780 --> 00:39:59,080
But if I put the entire movie together from a thousand different sources, who's suing who

919
00:39:59,080 --> 00:39:59,740
at this point?

920
00:39:59,740 --> 00:40:00,440
Yeah.

921
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,580
Because Fair Use says that you can do it as long as it's not transformative.

922
00:40:03,580 --> 00:40:07,820
Or it is transformative and it's not like taking away revenue.

923
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:08,280
Right.

924
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:13,240
So it's a very squishy and legally dubious definition.

925
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:18,600
But basically the gist of it is trying to say, I'm not going to take away revenue from the

926
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,780
person who made it with this little one minute clip.

927
00:40:20,780 --> 00:40:22,400
So it's okay for me to put on there.

928
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:22,620
Right.

929
00:40:23,060 --> 00:40:28,940
But when you're stitching together 800 embedded videos, you're basically getting all the way

930
00:40:28,940 --> 00:40:29,140
there.

931
00:40:29,140 --> 00:40:29,380
It's different sources.

932
00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:29,800
It's fine, Your Honor.

933
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:30,200
Yeah.

934
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:30,860
Right, right.

935
00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:35,420
I also learned recently about like comedic or like satire law.

936
00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:37,860
So I learned this through Enron.com.

937
00:40:37,860 --> 00:40:40,620
If you didn't know, Enron.com is alive and kicking.

938
00:40:40,620 --> 00:40:42,940
It's actually a very impressive website.

939
00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:49,940
But when you go into the terms of service of Enron.com, you then learn that it is a satire.

940
00:40:49,940 --> 00:40:50,900
What's on there?

941
00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:52,020
What is it?

942
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,460
It's inspirational.

943
00:40:53,460 --> 00:40:55,380
It reminds you of why you're alive.

944
00:40:55,380 --> 00:40:58,960
A little exercise for the listeners.

945
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:05,600
I mean, it uses the Enron branding, you know, and it says that we're back and, you know,

946
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,280
we're here to change the world and make it a better place.

947
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,980
You know, everything that our corporations are, you know, here for.

948
00:41:10,980 --> 00:41:17,980
It's just a bunch of videos of just like people moving really fast in like New York and like

949
00:41:17,980 --> 00:41:19,880
transformation, rebirth.

950
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,820
What is this?

951
00:41:21,820 --> 00:41:22,360
Oh, wow.

952
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:27,020
That sound you hear is this deafening silence of three guys furiously Googling.

953
00:41:27,020 --> 00:41:31,360
Big leaders, bigger ideas.

954
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,820
And one of the CTAs is I am Enron.

955
00:41:34,820 --> 00:41:38,280
Loop pie.

956
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,100
This is audio poison.

957
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:43,640
This is not content.

958
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,300
You can do this with songs almost, right?

959
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:51,420
Like if you like all these like 10 second clips of different songs in the background, right?

960
00:41:51,420 --> 00:41:56,980
Oh, like random guy who's filming out of his taxi cab window, but the radio is on in the background

961
00:41:56,980 --> 00:41:58,960
of that four seconds of Taylor Swift.

962
00:41:59,020 --> 00:42:00,680
And then it cuts right to the next thing.

963
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,420
Oh, that'd be a fun start because then the, oh, I love that.

964
00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:05,260
It's like Shazam.

965
00:42:05,260 --> 00:42:08,060
Because the world's worst like music streaming service.

966
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:10,900
That's a good name for it too.

967
00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:11,340
Yeah.

968
00:42:11,340 --> 00:42:12,660
100% free music.

969
00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:13,960
Shittyspotify.net.

970
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,760
All the music on earth for free.

971
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,060
I love it because then it tells a story of all the different life situations where someone

972
00:42:22,060 --> 00:42:26,340
listens to Taylor Swift of like, of like, like, you know, it's all these very dynamic, diverse

973
00:42:26,340 --> 00:42:27,520
sort of, you know.

974
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:28,840
And it's totally legal.

975
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:29,340
Right?

976
00:42:29,340 --> 00:42:30,660
Concert videos.

977
00:42:30,660 --> 00:42:35,860
Like every time you listen to Taylor Swift 22 and you have different videos because there's

978
00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:37,740
so many probably versions of that, right?

979
00:42:37,740 --> 00:42:39,020
10 second clips.

980
00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:40,740
You hear it different every time.

981
00:42:40,740 --> 00:42:42,340
Every single, that's how you saw it.

982
00:42:42,340 --> 00:42:45,900
Like you just different version, different humans or whatever.

983
00:42:46,140 --> 00:42:49,620
The three minute Taylor Swift compilation is probably a little bit less ambitious than

984
00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:50,760
my Shrek idea.

985
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:51,460
So that's good.

986
00:42:51,460 --> 00:42:53,800
That's a lot of work.

987
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,600
You build into the Shrek idea, you know.

988
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,640
Are you all familiar with, with Superstar, the Karen Carpenter story?

989
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:00,320
No.

990
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:01,700
This was 87.

991
00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:05,500
Todd Haynes, you know, he director, this was kind of his first breakout.

992
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:10,480
And what he did is it's stop motion and it's telling the story of the Carpenters, you

993
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,320
know, in the death of Karen Carpenter, but told through Barbie dolls.

994
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,600
And it's stop motion Barbie dolls.

995
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:22,340
And the reason I bring it up is because the movie was, you know, very quickly sued, you

996
00:43:22,340 --> 00:43:25,220
know, for, for rights usage, you know, cause it was referencing songs.

997
00:43:25,220 --> 00:43:29,440
And so, but it was such a viral, well, this was, again, this was the eighties, but it had

998
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,480
such like a cult following that people were duping their cassettes.

999
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,380
So they, you know, put one VHS tape in, then copy it to another VHS and then share

1000
00:43:37,380 --> 00:43:37,980
it with a friend.

1001
00:43:38,060 --> 00:43:40,180
Then they would make a copy and share it with a friend.

1002
00:43:40,180 --> 00:43:45,320
And so part of like the cult nature of this film is that you'll never see the same film

1003
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:45,920
twice.

1004
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:46,280
Sure.

1005
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,920
Because every copy is unique in the way that it was duplicated.

1006
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:50,820
All the little artifacts.

1007
00:43:50,820 --> 00:43:55,840
Or maybe had, you know, it was duped over maybe other family videos and, or other like

1008
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:56,940
commercials or television.

1009
00:43:56,940 --> 00:43:59,220
So it has like all these other elements.

1010
00:43:59,220 --> 00:44:03,860
And so it has a real call status and what you're describing, it kind of feel it carries

1011
00:44:03,860 --> 00:44:08,180
that legacy into kind of a digital age where this was VHS in the eighties.

1012
00:44:08,180 --> 00:44:11,020
This is a very kind of contemporary version of that.

1013
00:44:11,340 --> 00:44:14,940
All of the popular scenes of these like a list movies that we're talking about.

1014
00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:19,600
I'm sure that there's hundreds, thousands of different uploads to choose from, right?

1015
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:24,500
So if you can catalog all of those with the exact timestamps that they occur of the actual

1016
00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:28,560
movie, you could stitch together a unique experience for every person who watches it.

1017
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:34,540
You know, you pick number 681 for those nine seconds and you pick number 2825 for those 12

1018
00:44:34,540 --> 00:44:34,880
seconds.

1019
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:35,140
Yeah.

1020
00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:40,120
And like you said, it's even better if it's like a handy cam of someone putting it on a projector

1021
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,500
screen somewhere or like there's some other experience happening around the content for

1022
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:44,780
sure.

1023
00:44:44,780 --> 00:44:47,900
You're jumping around from theater to theater or something.

1024
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:48,440
I don't know.

1025
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,800
Anyway, hope that inspires you listener.

1026
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:58,080
All right, Mike, we're so glad that you're here.

1027
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,400
What have you brought for us this evening?

1028
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,180
Right.

1029
00:45:01,180 --> 00:45:04,900
In March, I became one of those people and I, I got a flip phone.

1030
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:09,760
Um, so yeah, your anti-smartphone.

1031
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:10,880
Is that the principle here?

1032
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:11,660
No, no, no.

1033
00:45:11,660 --> 00:45:13,220
I'm just more comfortable with it.

1034
00:45:13,220 --> 00:45:17,220
And I talk to people and whenever I bring it up, a lot of people are like, oh, I want

1035
00:45:17,220 --> 00:45:17,600
to do that.

1036
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:18,000
I want to do that.

1037
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:23,480
Oh, it's just, it's just this one app that I need to use or for work or like, oh, it's

1038
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,280
like, it's for my kids or like, oh, it's just like this, like one kind of like utility

1039
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,220
for this or that.

1040
00:45:28,780 --> 00:45:32,760
And, and, you know, I can, I don't, I don't pressure, pressure anyone, but I, I got thinking

1041
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:33,420
about it more.

1042
00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:39,840
And I think we have this, we have this assumption that the phone is always tied to us.

1043
00:45:39,940 --> 00:45:44,840
And so either you have a smartphone or you have a dumb phone and it's either or, but I think

1044
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,240
that there's still another way.

1045
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:51,340
And the idea is landlines make home phones great again.

1046
00:45:51,340 --> 00:45:54,520
So what, what does it look like?

1047
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:54,960
Okay.

1048
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,840
So imagine you're out and about, you know, you're scrolling, you're working, you're using

1049
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:00,680
your phone just as ever.

1050
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:06,800
But when you get home, you dock your phone and whenever someone calls you, it rings throughout

1051
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:07,360
your house.

1052
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:13,080
And so you can always pick up the phone, your spouse or whoever significant other or whoever

1053
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:13,780
else lives with you.

1054
00:46:13,780 --> 00:46:15,100
They can also dock their phone.

1055
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:20,180
And whenever your phone rings, it rings throughout the house and could pick it up.

1056
00:46:20,180 --> 00:46:23,140
And it says, oh, dad, it's from you.

1057
00:46:23,140 --> 00:46:24,180
It's uncle Steve.

1058
00:46:24,340 --> 00:46:27,500
And then, you know, just like you, we all know, we remember that.

1059
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:31,840
Um, it's like, again, you get the benefit of the smartphone cause you're out and about,

1060
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,840
you know, you're sitting on the toilet, you want to scroll through Instagram or whatever,

1061
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,900
or you, or you have a utility you need to use for work or whatever.

1062
00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:41,640
But when you get home, you feel like you're able to set it aside.

1063
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,360
Um, so then what would you do in terms of like SMS, right?

1064
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,820
If people might text you or whatnot.

1065
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:55,180
So then imagine using just like a, um, uh, a glorified iPad.

1066
00:46:55,380 --> 00:46:57,220
It's a display in it.

1067
00:46:57,220 --> 00:47:01,060
And I know it's scary, but it publicly shows the text messages that are coming through.

1068
00:47:01,060 --> 00:47:04,360
But again, it reinforces the home that this is the home.

1069
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,000
We are first and foremost here.

1070
00:47:06,220 --> 00:47:10,340
And then we can see the messages that are coming through on the screen.

1071
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,000
And then if we need to go pick up our phone and then next level, you can't do this probably

1072
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,280
on an iPhone, but on Android, you have some sort of local processing of the text messages.

1073
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:25,440
And if they seem especially urgent, then it rings the phone and says, Hey, you know, there's

1074
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,120
an important text message you should pick up, but you should go look at.

1075
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,920
Um, so then you can especially rest easy in that way.

1076
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:31,200
Yeah.

1077
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,620
So the reason you went for the flip phone primarily is to be able to make it easy to disconnect.

1078
00:47:35,620 --> 00:47:36,260
Yeah.

1079
00:47:36,260 --> 00:47:39,460
So when you're, when you're home, you're home, you know, in your home, you're with the people

1080
00:47:39,460 --> 00:47:42,200
and then you do other things, even if you're just watching TV or whatnot.

1081
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:47,160
But yeah, that, that's the idea is, is kind of, it revives that spirit of the cell phone

1082
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,680
is that the cell phone is what you take when you're out and when you're home, you're home

1083
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,540
and you're not.

1084
00:47:52,540 --> 00:47:52,840
Yeah.

1085
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:53,460
Yeah.

1086
00:47:53,460 --> 00:47:56,640
So it's a niche, it's a niche, you know, you know, not at all.

1087
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,580
And the hardware is in a lot of people's homes with smart connected speakers and stuff.

1088
00:48:00,580 --> 00:48:02,080
You got your Google assistants in here.

1089
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,320
I always forget that I could just answer my phone through the Google home at any time.

1090
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:06,600
Yeah.

1091
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,080
That should be a feature, right?

1092
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:13,060
Where like you optionally go in and you say, yeah, ring my smart speakers instead.

1093
00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:13,760
Wow.

1094
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:19,220
I have eight or 10 smart speakers around my house already.

1095
00:48:19,220 --> 00:48:20,840
And it's ridiculous that they're not connected.

1096
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,240
We taught our two and four year old to go up to the touchscreen thing.

1097
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:27,340
And like, if there's an emergency, you know, you can press this button to get to dad or mom,

1098
00:48:27,340 --> 00:48:27,600
right?

1099
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:27,960
Yes.

1100
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:28,240
Okay.

1101
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:28,580
Great.

1102
00:48:28,580 --> 00:48:29,300
Got it.

1103
00:48:29,300 --> 00:48:30,100
You know what I mean?

1104
00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:35,740
Like if, you know, mom falls over and isn't talking, you can go and call for something.

1105
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:42,600
But like, yeah, the ability to make the home itself have the connectivity there was kind

1106
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,760
of a promise that was never fulfilled from all these smart speaker vendors.

1107
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,300
Dude, Mike, this is awesome.

1108
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:49,160
I am a terrible texter.

1109
00:48:49,740 --> 00:48:54,960
I, but I think I, it's because I kind of live that lifestyle of like unconsciously.

1110
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,580
Like I just, I don't know what it is.

1111
00:48:56,580 --> 00:48:58,340
I think I just suck at typing on my keyboard.

1112
00:48:58,340 --> 00:49:01,940
And so it just has really burned me from like doing, using it as often.

1113
00:49:01,940 --> 00:49:06,080
Like I will find the moment of time where I just answer all my texts.

1114
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:11,380
Leo has gotten all this, answer all my texts, my, my messages on Facebook and all that stuff.

1115
00:49:11,380 --> 00:49:13,200
And I think all at once, all at once.

1116
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:13,700
Right.

1117
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:15,140
And I think there's something to that.

1118
00:49:15,140 --> 00:49:15,800
Like, sure.

1119
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:21,420
Like you put your phone aside partially because I have to, but partially because like, Hey,

1120
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:24,820
this is a good, healthy way to have devices.

1121
00:49:24,820 --> 00:49:25,340
Right.

1122
00:49:25,340 --> 00:49:26,440
Or just communication.

1123
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:26,920
Right.

1124
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,020
You're at home.

1125
00:49:28,020 --> 00:49:33,940
Like the people you're around in real human being world is probably where you should spend

1126
00:49:33,940 --> 00:49:34,420
your time.

1127
00:49:34,420 --> 00:49:34,720
Right.

1128
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:38,540
And so like you plug it in or whatever, but like, I think there is something about

1129
00:49:38,540 --> 00:49:40,980
like, you know, the, the hand phone, right.

1130
00:49:40,980 --> 00:49:45,520
Or something like the old dial, like picking up, at least you got your, you received your

1131
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,100
call, like who calls anymore anyway, wait to that end too.

1132
00:49:49,100 --> 00:49:53,920
But also you have like, let's say a station in which you receive all your text messages and

1133
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,980
you're not going to be standing in front of your text station all night.

1134
00:49:57,980 --> 00:50:01,880
Make it inconvenient for you so that you don't want to do it.

1135
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:02,260
Yeah.

1136
00:50:02,420 --> 00:50:08,680
Like create a intentionally hard user experience for you to do this at home.

1137
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,020
Like, it's just, I think it's healthy.

1138
00:50:11,020 --> 00:50:15,600
I think, I think, I think it'll catch on as like a health trend or something.

1139
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:15,880
Right.

1140
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,820
And just like people going to flip phones.

1141
00:50:17,820 --> 00:50:18,380
I like that.

1142
00:50:18,380 --> 00:50:22,980
And if you have the dedicated station, like you're describing, then people who are bad

1143
00:50:22,980 --> 00:50:28,180
texters like you or my darling wife would be like, I would feel less bad about saying

1144
00:50:28,180 --> 00:50:33,340
like I'm calling the house and interrupting and getting attention because this is important.

1145
00:50:33,340 --> 00:50:37,780
They need to go to the texting station and answer because I have a time sensitive thing.

1146
00:50:37,780 --> 00:50:42,980
Whereas right now, if I'm dead in a ditch, there's no way that I'm calling my, my darling

1147
00:50:42,980 --> 00:50:44,940
bride to try to get help.

1148
00:50:44,940 --> 00:50:48,620
Like some people are not the texter like you wrestle and that's okay.

1149
00:50:48,620 --> 00:50:54,560
But like, if you've got the house aware of it all, not only do you have the separation

1150
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:59,840
of this is the spot or don't let things through that are urgent or whatever, but then you make

1151
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:04,320
it easier for the people who want to be present to like prioritize and triage, you know?

1152
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:04,920
Yeah.

1153
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,120
And I think you kind of start to communicate, like people might get annoyed at certain points

1154
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,640
of like, why didn't you respond as quickly?

1155
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,520
But you start to, they start to get the picture, you know, over time, you know, and it starts

1156
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,900
to become kind of like a thing they can, you know, they can deal with.

1157
00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:22,100
And you could even, again, on Android, you could do automatic replies if you really wanted

1158
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:24,500
to, you know, this person's at home.

1159
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:25,420
They won't be answering.

1160
00:51:25,420 --> 00:51:26,940
It's like those drive-ins.

1161
00:51:26,940 --> 00:51:30,360
Like if you, if you call me the phones, you know, you're going, everyone's going to hear,

1162
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:30,820
you know?

1163
00:51:30,820 --> 00:51:33,680
So we, we learned with Russell, we know he'll respond eventually.

1164
00:51:33,940 --> 00:51:36,120
It comes around, but it comes around.

1165
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,240
He'll respond to all eight queries at once.

1166
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:39,540
Yeah.

1167
00:51:39,540 --> 00:51:43,460
I'll get, I'll answer like 16 group messages at once going through and it's amazing.

1168
00:51:43,460 --> 00:51:48,380
I'll say there's something too, like when the whole house rings, like it calms the kids

1169
00:51:48,380 --> 00:51:51,340
down, you know, it's like, oh, I want to pick up the phone.

1170
00:51:51,340 --> 00:51:51,980
Who is it?

1171
00:51:51,980 --> 00:51:52,180
Right.

1172
00:51:52,180 --> 00:51:55,240
There's like a connection to, it's like the mail.

1173
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:57,220
I don't know if you guys still feel like.

1174
00:51:57,220 --> 00:51:59,240
It makes it a communal experience for sure.

1175
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:03,200
And you know, now it's like, okay, everybody attention.

1176
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,460
I'm about to take a call.

1177
00:52:05,460 --> 00:52:08,080
It also sets the expectation.

1178
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:08,840
Back to nineties.

1179
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:09,360
Yeah.

1180
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,080
Cause in a way, like the phone was, is now right.

1181
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,300
Tied to you as the person instead of tied to the home as a whole.

1182
00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:16,760
Right.

1183
00:52:16,820 --> 00:52:19,380
And so now you can't like the five household.

1184
00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:19,820
Right.

1185
00:52:19,820 --> 00:52:21,800
Leave a message for all of us.

1186
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:22,120
Right.

1187
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,560
And it kind of turned into like a family aspect.

1188
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:26,180
Right.

1189
00:52:26,180 --> 00:52:28,480
Of communication, which is lost.

1190
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,220
I feel like definitely.

1191
00:52:30,220 --> 00:52:30,520
Right.

1192
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:35,660
Like I can't imagine being a kid now without a phone because you literally have no communication

1193
00:52:35,660 --> 00:52:38,140
with the world where before you could call landline.

1194
00:52:38,140 --> 00:52:40,460
At least you get to know the parents a little bit more.

1195
00:52:40,460 --> 00:52:41,880
Now you skip all that.

1196
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,660
You go straight to the source and you'll lose.

1197
00:52:44,780 --> 00:52:49,480
I mean, I, I, I feel like my parents knew all my friends because of the landline.

1198
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:49,820
Right.

1199
00:52:49,820 --> 00:52:55,240
I think that we're going to lose that connection with our, you know, kids or like even in general.

1200
00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:55,540
Right.

1201
00:52:55,820 --> 00:52:58,840
And just like the nineties, if you really want to bring it back, whenever someone's

1202
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,760
on the landline phone, then you cut off the internet.

1203
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,580
Ayo.

1204
00:53:02,580 --> 00:53:03,760
Play all the noise.

1205
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,860
And only one person can use the phone at a time.

1206
00:53:05,860 --> 00:53:06,480
Right.

1207
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:06,940
Exactly.

1208
00:53:06,940 --> 00:53:07,280
Yeah.

1209
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,320
Yeah.

1210
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:10,080
Yeah.

1211
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:11,180
That's definitely, it's funny.

1212
00:53:11,180 --> 00:53:15,200
There's been so much effort in the last years to kind of like be more, you know, tech

1213
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,820
wise or kind of like reduce screen time.

1214
00:53:17,820 --> 00:53:22,180
But, but I think they're missing like this critical piece of like the household, you know,

1215
00:53:22,180 --> 00:53:25,740
in the home and differentiating that from everything else.

1216
00:53:25,740 --> 00:53:30,380
And I think that again, it's like, yeah, have a smartphone, but you know, but, but, but,

1217
00:53:30,380 --> 00:53:32,880
but think about the time and place of, of where it's used.

1218
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,140
And I haven't heard that conversation.

1219
00:53:34,140 --> 00:53:36,620
So I, that's what kind of, I think this is a fun idea.

1220
00:53:36,620 --> 00:53:37,700
Digital wellness.

1221
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:38,000
Yeah.

1222
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,720
There was a whole push from both platforms.

1223
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:40,140
Yeah.

1224
00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:40,760
Yeah.

1225
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:45,740
Two or three years ago to like, yeah, we're going to monitor your screen time and lock you

1226
00:53:45,740 --> 00:53:48,020
out of your apps and make it easier for you to do all these things.

1227
00:53:48,020 --> 00:53:48,200
Yeah.

1228
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:48,980
I totally agree.

1229
00:53:48,980 --> 00:53:50,320
Best tip I ever heard of that.

1230
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,560
Put your phone in black and white.

1231
00:53:51,820 --> 00:53:53,180
It's just, I don't know.

1232
00:53:53,180 --> 00:53:54,760
Just makes you not want to use your phone.

1233
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:55,320
It's incredible.

1234
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,120
After 10 PM, when my phone's plugged in and it turns black and white.

1235
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:58,340
Yeah.

1236
00:53:58,340 --> 00:53:58,720
It's great.

1237
00:53:58,720 --> 00:53:59,360
Yeah.

1238
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,900
I think, yeah, I think TikTok does that too.

1239
00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:05,840
Like there's, I think there must be some money maker.

1240
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:11,120
Like there's some reason why if people got too sucked into TikTok after an hour and a half,

1241
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,440
they're like, Hey, you should probably put your phone down.

1242
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,780
Like, I think there is some, like, they don't want you to get your life.

1243
00:54:17,780 --> 00:54:21,720
I guess like what I'm saying is that maybe social media people or like,

1244
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:29,040
these tech companies have a small incentive to keep you from like being, ruining your life

1245
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:34,160
in it because then it turns into an addiction and like, they don't want to go into those lawsuits.

1246
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,740
They don't want to go into like that world.

1247
00:54:36,740 --> 00:54:41,280
They just want you to take care of yourself, eat and breathe so you can come back and keep using it later.

1248
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:41,980
That's all.

1249
00:54:41,980 --> 00:54:43,620
Don't forget to eat.

1250
00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:44,800
That's probably it.

1251
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:45,600
Like after one.

1252
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:51,320
Would you like to order a hot dog from the, or would you like to order a coffee from Russ's,

1253
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:52,300
Russ's machine?

1254
00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:52,980
My partner, Dordash.

1255
00:54:52,980 --> 00:54:53,720
Russ's Redbox.

1256
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:55,320
Brownbox, sorry.

1257
00:54:56,060 --> 00:55:02,100
If I could put my phone down and like it auto replied, let's say to messages or communicated back,

1258
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:08,000
I think I'd feel a little more comfortable also with knowing that the people that are messaging me

1259
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,900
understand the situation I'm in.

1260
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:14,880
I know like do not disturb the thing on iPhone, but it just, it feels a little like, you know,

1261
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,320
like you're, you're, you're blocking me.

1262
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,040
Instead, it's like, I don't know, a little bit more intentional.

1263
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:27,000
Like, Hey, we're, I'm at home, you know, feel free to send a text or a call, but like, this is the situation that we're in.

1264
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:27,980
It's not going to be urgent.

1265
00:55:27,980 --> 00:55:34,600
It's not going to happen quickly, but at least it knows like my status or my aware, like a little bit of a communication back

1266
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:35,940
instead of it just being for me.

1267
00:55:35,940 --> 00:55:43,020
Like, I think it's helpful to communicate out so that people know, Oh, I'm adopting this sent for my Blackberry vibe.

1268
00:55:43,020 --> 00:55:44,040
Right.

1269
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:52,940
The move, yeah, the move away from instant messaging to texting and stuff has really have had us lose the,

1270
00:55:52,940 --> 00:55:55,940
the away message and the status indicator.

1271
00:55:55,940 --> 00:56:02,140
Wouldn't it be great if there was a universal status message like Slack and teams and stuff have where like,

1272
00:56:02,140 --> 00:56:07,520
you know, I'm at home, I'm busy, I'm commuting, whatever, you know,

1273
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:15,100
part of what's fun too, is thinking of how would you design the hardware because you want to have some sort of like sense of sentimental throwback.

1274
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:20,780
But you also want it to feel like very modern and fitting in your home.

1275
00:56:20,780 --> 00:56:26,160
And so it's like this kind of, it's kind of like the light phone where they kind of really try to find this balance of simplicity,

1276
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,240
but also making it feel technologically reasonable and functional.

1277
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:31,040
The e-paper one.

1278
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:31,460
Yeah.

1279
00:56:31,460 --> 00:56:31,900
Yeah.

1280
00:56:31,900 --> 00:56:32,460
Yeah.

1281
00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:36,920
So I think it would be just really fun to design the headset and or handset,

1282
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,040
kind of some old school elements, but kind of sleek still.

1283
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:40,820
Big buttons.

1284
00:56:40,820 --> 00:56:44,080
You are envisioning something that you're actually like picking up and walking around with,

1285
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,440
not a fixture of the home.

1286
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,820
It seems like you could have it be speakers.

1287
00:56:47,820 --> 00:56:48,360
Yeah.

1288
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:49,060
I think of a phone.

1289
00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:49,320
Yeah.

1290
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,880
Something like when you could like, yeah, still saying like,

1291
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,780
if you want to be cooking food and on the phone, like you do that.

1292
00:56:54,780 --> 00:56:58,080
Like, or if you're like, yeah, it's not like saying don't use the phone,

1293
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,400
but it's like centralizing the phone as a shared utility in the home.

1294
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:07,100
I'd feel more comfortable with my kids having a phone to like being a part of that too,

1295
00:57:07,100 --> 00:57:12,220
where you, I do not want them to have any cellular device of any magnitude.

1296
00:57:12,220 --> 00:57:12,820
Right.

1297
00:57:12,820 --> 00:57:17,900
Like it'd be cool to like, let them pick up the smart or the dumb phone or the house phone and

1298
00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:19,720
talk to the grandparents or whatever.

1299
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:25,220
And you've had your like Facebook portals and Amazon echo screens and stuff like that over the

1300
00:57:25,220 --> 00:57:28,320
years that have come and gone, but it seems like nothing's ever grabbed hold of that.

1301
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:33,320
Like this is the appliance that does communication, but it stays still market.

1302
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,720
And maybe part of that is because you want to be able to pick it up and move around like a landline.

1303
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:37,360
I don't know.

1304
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,020
Something about the form factor, like it found little niche audiences here and there,

1305
00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:45,600
but there's never been the, oh yeah, this is obviously the future of how home communication will go.

1306
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:46,200
Hey, you're right.

1307
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:47,380
That's really died down.

1308
00:57:47,380 --> 00:57:51,140
You don't hear about, I think they're all shutting down those divisions or kind of chilling them out.

1309
00:57:51,140 --> 00:57:52,740
Well, it's because they got too smart.

1310
00:57:52,740 --> 00:57:57,680
Like then you turn it, like the kids that I see have it, like they turn it into a blippy machine.

1311
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,880
It's like the only way they can get their, their fix or they like Alexa play this song.

1312
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,360
And now it just, it's not a device of communication.

1313
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:05,620
It's a, it's a blippy.

1314
00:58:05,620 --> 00:58:08,020
It's an audio version of a smartphone, right?

1315
00:58:08,020 --> 00:58:09,280
It just turned into that.

1316
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:14,020
Or like if you had a screen, it would turn into like a little bit of video and then you're just losing that.

1317
00:58:14,020 --> 00:58:18,960
So, so maybe the secrets here, making something purpose built that only does the calling grandparents

1318
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,560
and stuff like that.

1319
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:21,120
Yeah.

1320
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,380
Just more human connection.

1321
00:58:22,380 --> 00:58:26,480
I feel like the smartphone was initially created for more human connection and then it turned into

1322
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:34,200
whatever asynchronous robot talking screen to other robot talking screen that happens to get to my buddy.

1323
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:34,720
Right.

1324
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:35,420
I don't know.

1325
00:58:35,420 --> 00:58:37,100
Maybe that's, maybe that's the solution here.

1326
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:39,680
We're going to figure out how more synchronous communication.

1327
00:58:39,820 --> 00:58:45,060
I feel like with Slack and texting and everything else, it's like, Oh, I'll answer you in a couple minutes.

1328
00:58:45,060 --> 00:58:47,720
Just not, I need real time, baby.

1329
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,460
That's why I do this podcast too.

1330
00:58:51,460 --> 00:58:52,340
It was asynchronous.

1331
00:58:52,340 --> 00:58:55,160
I am trying to get comfortable with just calling people again.

1332
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,580
It's not, it's not comfortable, but I'm trying just to call.

1333
00:58:58,580 --> 00:59:04,180
And then when they just text me, I leave a voicemail and they text me back and I say, you're being such a millennial.

1334
00:59:04,180 --> 00:59:04,840
You know?

1335
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,800
Calling out.

1336
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:07,200
Yeah.

1337
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:12,520
I'm very fortunate in that the culture at Hope College is still very like, let's have a meeting.

1338
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,580
Let's have a call.

1339
00:59:14,580 --> 00:59:18,160
And it feels like the public consciousness is starting to switch back to that again too.

1340
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,820
Like away from, like you said, asynchronous.

1341
00:59:20,820 --> 00:59:28,120
People are starting to realize like, wow, remote work where I never actually speak to another person for months at a time has downsides too.

1342
00:59:28,660 --> 00:59:28,900
Yeah.

1343
00:59:28,900 --> 00:59:32,500
You all got to remember, I got an hour and 15 commute to work right now.

1344
00:59:32,500 --> 00:59:35,120
Like there are upsides and downs.

1345
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:36,200
There's ups and downs.

1346
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:36,920
I would.

1347
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:37,260
Nope.

1348
00:59:37,260 --> 00:59:37,520
That.

1349
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:37,960
Yep.

1350
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:38,800
Put me in a basement.

1351
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:39,860
Lock me up.

1352
00:59:39,860 --> 00:59:40,180
Yep.

1353
00:59:40,180 --> 00:59:44,920
Well, dear listener, if you are on your way and you've just about made it to work, we should

1354
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,260
better wrap up really quick here so you can park and we won't keep you waiting.

1355
00:59:48,260 --> 00:59:49,700
Thanks very much for listening.

1356
00:59:49,700 --> 00:59:52,020
We hope you enjoyed yourself and thank you so much, Mike.

1357
00:59:52,020 --> 00:59:52,800
This was so much fun.

1358
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:53,580
Yeah.

1359
00:59:53,580 --> 00:59:54,500
Great to be with you all.

1360
00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:55,160
Yeah.

1361
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:56,240
We'll have to have you back, man.

1362
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,180
Our website is Spitball.show.

1363
00:59:59,180 --> 01:00:03,580
There you can find links to our YouTube channel, social media, email us comments, feedback,

1364
01:00:03,580 --> 01:00:04,020
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1365
01:00:04,020 --> 01:00:04,860
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1366
01:00:04,860 --> 01:00:06,780
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1367
01:00:06,780 --> 01:00:09,560
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1368
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:13,280
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1369
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,820
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1370
01:00:15,820 --> 01:00:18,480
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1371
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,640
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1372
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1373
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1374
01:00:32,060 --> 01:00:37,000
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1375
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,780
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1376
01:00:41,780 --> 01:00:41,980
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1377
01:00:41,980 --> 01:00:42,480
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1378
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:42,980
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1379
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1380
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