1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,580 (upbeat music) 2 00:00:02,580 --> 00:00:05,720 - I'm Scott. 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:06,680 - I'm Russell. 4 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:07,520 - And I'm Leo. 5 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:08,340 This is Spitball. 6 00:00:08,340 --> 00:00:10,920 (upbeat music) 7 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:19,360 Welcome to Spitball, the pitchin' kitchen. 8 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,720 We're three brainstorming buffs, that's us, 9 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,160 and a guest, empty our heads of all of our startup 10 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,160 and tech product ideas that we have stuck up in there 11 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,060 so you can all have them for free. 12 00:00:28,060 --> 00:00:30,040 Anything that we say is yours to keep. 13 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,120 And Scott, I hear you brought our guest this week. 14 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:32,960 - I did. 15 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,880 I brought our friend, Ryan. 16 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,880 Ryan is currently out in Colorado. 17 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,840 He's working on his PhD in integrative and systems biology, 18 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,580 AKA spiders. 19 00:00:42,580 --> 00:00:46,240 So please welcome soon to be Doc Ock, Ryan. 20 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,520 - I was told that Mark Cuban would be here with me. 21 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,960 - He's next week, he just missed him. 22 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:53,800 - Oh crap. 23 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:54,620 - Hello. 24 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,020 - Glad to have you, this is gonna be a good time. 25 00:00:58,020 --> 00:01:01,220 This week to get us going, we are dipping into the mailbag. 26 00:01:01,220 --> 00:01:03,620 As always, you can email the show with ideas, 27 00:01:03,620 --> 00:01:05,900 your own things that this spawned in your mind. 28 00:01:05,900 --> 00:01:07,060 If you take an idea and run with it, 29 00:01:07,060 --> 00:01:09,900 we are podcast@Spitball.show. 30 00:01:09,900 --> 00:01:11,700 But we got an email from Sean 31 00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:13,460 and it has two different pitches in it here. 32 00:01:13,460 --> 00:01:15,020 All right, the first one is simple. 33 00:01:15,020 --> 00:01:17,060 The second one has a little bit to talk about here. 34 00:01:17,060 --> 00:01:19,740 So the first one, Kool-Aid Hammers. 35 00:01:19,740 --> 00:01:21,980 It's a Kool-Aid jammer style juice container, 36 00:01:21,980 --> 00:01:24,740 mix of vodka, likely needs to rename if it's off-brand. 37 00:01:24,740 --> 00:01:27,200 So you can't call it Kool-Aid Hammers, 38 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,840 it'd have to be like Kool-Dad Hammers, they say. 39 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:30,840 That's the whole pitch. 40 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:31,680 (laughing) 41 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:32,520 - That's the whole pitch. 42 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,240 - Target audience, 17 year old's trying to get in the club. 43 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:37,600 - Yeah, and us. 44 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,160 Podcasters who are looking to stay fresh. 45 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,280 - Are those like the plastic bottles that like twist? 46 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,480 - I was just trying to remember the name of those, 47 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,400 the weird little wing thing on top that you twist. 48 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,440 - Where it kind of looks like a spaceship on top, yeah. 49 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:51,760 - Exactly. 50 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,760 Yeah, I've always wanted those alcoholic. 51 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,900 - Imagine how many landfills those fill up. 52 00:01:56,900 --> 00:01:59,180 - Wow, downer, all right. 53 00:01:59,180 --> 00:02:01,780 - We'll make it, there we go. 54 00:02:01,780 --> 00:02:04,540 - Our target market, it's compost only. 55 00:02:04,540 --> 00:02:07,020 - Biodegradable compost only plastic. 56 00:02:07,020 --> 00:02:10,060 - It's like those old wax candies with the juice in them 57 00:02:10,060 --> 00:02:11,300 where you kind of bite the head off 58 00:02:11,300 --> 00:02:12,540 and suck out the juice in the middle. 59 00:02:12,540 --> 00:02:14,140 We just make that, but big. 60 00:02:14,140 --> 00:02:15,740 - And just fill it with vodka. 61 00:02:15,740 --> 00:02:18,340 - All right, the second idea. 62 00:02:18,340 --> 00:02:20,100 (laughing) 63 00:02:20,100 --> 00:02:21,740 - Done, that was great guys. 64 00:02:21,740 --> 00:02:22,580 - We did it, we solved Kool-Aid. 65 00:02:22,580 --> 00:02:23,800 - Great idea to start with. 66 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,360 - We solved Kool-Aid hammers. 67 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,600 Next, all right, this pitch is told as a story. 68 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:29,820 I'm really enjoying it. 69 00:02:29,820 --> 00:02:33,680 We've all won the race once, time for a race of champions. 70 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,280 You wanna do a themed 10K race, 71 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,960 think popularity like a Tough Mudder type thing. 72 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,160 People receive hats that look like sperm 73 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,600 and from an aerial shot, the theme of the race 74 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,740 is you're trying to get to the egg and fertilize it. 75 00:02:45,740 --> 00:02:47,240 First to win wins. 76 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,500 You start in a huge, long, flesh-colored, inflatable tube, 77 00:02:50,500 --> 00:02:52,680 break through a wall of some kind, 78 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,840 so some kind of Trojan advert maybe, they could sponsor it, 79 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,560 and then compete obstacles through the race 80 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,940 until you take a plunge in a circular pool, 81 00:03:01,940 --> 00:03:03,400 which is the finish. 82 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,440 I'm censoring some of the more graphic details 83 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:07,280 that they included. 84 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,500 Thank you very much, Sean, for your very vivid idea. 85 00:03:11,500 --> 00:03:13,740 - I'm gonna hit subscribe right now. 86 00:03:13,740 --> 00:03:18,460 - Do you think that's like an Olympic level race 87 00:03:18,460 --> 00:03:20,960 where you have the whole world compete 88 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,280 and for some reason, the sperm in certain countries 89 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,520 always beat the other ones? 90 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,520 Just have an Olympic level gold medalist? 91 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,280 - I would say we're not very far off 92 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,660 because cyclists wear those aerodynamic helmets. 93 00:03:38,660 --> 00:03:40,960 (laughing) 94 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:41,800 - They kinda got the look going for them. 95 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,640 - I competed in one triathlon once 96 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,700 and I was the only guy without that sperm helmet. 97 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:49,520 It really-- 98 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,280 - Yeah, it just needs like a ribbon on the end, doesn't it? 99 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,800 Just kinda flap it in the wind. 100 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,360 - It's gotta be anything goes during the race though. 101 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,880 You don't have to pull any punches. 102 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,600 It's first one to make it to the end wins. 103 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:00,440 Everyone else loses. 104 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,840 - What kind of obstacles would you face in a race like this? 105 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,480 Obviously, there's gotta be a hard left or right turn. 106 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,720 (laughing) 107 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,160 - Making some assumptions. 108 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:11,640 (laughing) 109 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:12,520 - Oh, that's right. 110 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,760 (laughing) 111 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,900 - It's just a bunch of inflatable jumping castles 112 00:04:19,900 --> 00:04:24,900 but filled with water just for miles and miles. 113 00:04:24,900 --> 00:04:27,660 - I don't know if I could do 5Ks of that, let alone 10. 114 00:04:27,660 --> 00:04:30,220 - It's like running through sand. 115 00:04:30,220 --> 00:04:32,700 That would kill people, dude. 116 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:33,540 We gotta be careful. 117 00:04:33,540 --> 00:04:34,380 - No joke. 118 00:04:34,380 --> 00:04:40,300 - Wow, that's very interesting, Mr. Sean, 119 00:04:40,300 --> 00:04:41,780 for your suggestions. 120 00:04:41,780 --> 00:04:44,500 - And you too could be just like Sean. 121 00:04:44,500 --> 00:04:46,680 Email us at podcast@Spitball.show. 122 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,040 Send us something on social media. 123 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,880 We're the same handle, podcast@Spitball.show. 124 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,280 - All right, Leo, what is an idea you would love to try 125 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:54,920 but just have not had time for? 126 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,600 - All right, so whether or not you believe it, 127 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,320 the world's getting a little warmer every year, 128 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:01,760 which isn't great. 129 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:06,080 We in Michigan here up in the great Midwest 130 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,960 have less and less snow. 131 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,240 And it seems like more and more of the snow is intermittent. 132 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,500 My darling wife is from Minnesota and treasures snow. 133 00:05:14,500 --> 00:05:16,160 And it seems like this last year, 134 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,480 we've had a couple of weeks where there's snow 135 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,260 on the ground at the most. 136 00:05:20,260 --> 00:05:26,320 There are industrial snow makers for ski hills 137 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,260 and things like that, those giant fans with hoses 138 00:05:29,260 --> 00:05:30,780 that'll crystallize snow. 139 00:05:30,780 --> 00:05:32,260 And all you need to make something like that 140 00:05:32,260 --> 00:05:35,180 is a high amount of air under high pressure. 141 00:05:35,180 --> 00:05:36,400 You just think like an air compressor 142 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,980 where you've got something that is able 143 00:05:38,980 --> 00:05:40,940 to continuously generate high pressure. 144 00:05:40,940 --> 00:05:44,260 And you need a, there's a name for the tip. 145 00:05:44,260 --> 00:05:46,420 It's some sort of articulating gyrating tip 146 00:05:46,420 --> 00:05:49,300 where it sort of is like a ball bearing that moves 147 00:05:49,300 --> 00:05:53,960 and causes the snow that, or the water and air mix 148 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,260 to crystallize really quickly. 149 00:05:56,260 --> 00:05:58,900 There are a few machines like that that you can get 150 00:05:58,900 --> 00:06:02,360 for multi-thousand dollars for like small scale 151 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,400 industrial use, but there's no home snow maker. 152 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,540 I can imagine those days where it's like 33, 34 degrees out 153 00:06:09,540 --> 00:06:11,740 where you plug in something in the backyard, 154 00:06:11,740 --> 00:06:14,300 a couple hundred bucks at the most, 155 00:06:14,300 --> 00:06:16,060 where it does all of the kit for you. 156 00:06:16,060 --> 00:06:18,780 There's one company that has made a backyard 157 00:06:18,780 --> 00:06:20,420 home use snow maker. 158 00:06:20,420 --> 00:06:23,580 And the very first thing is you buy this really expensive 159 00:06:23,580 --> 00:06:26,620 nozzle and then supply your own compressed air 160 00:06:26,620 --> 00:06:28,500 and supply your own water line. 161 00:06:28,500 --> 00:06:31,980 And I want to make all that of easy full service 162 00:06:31,980 --> 00:06:34,420 all in one thing where I fill a water tank, 163 00:06:34,420 --> 00:06:36,380 I plug it in and it just makes some snow 164 00:06:36,380 --> 00:06:39,360 for a little while, like a bubble maker for kids, right? 165 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,140 There's a lot of days in the Midwest here 166 00:06:41,140 --> 00:06:44,360 where we've got just the right conditions, but it's dirt. 167 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,780 Winter looks brown and that's going to be more 168 00:06:47,780 --> 00:06:50,900 and more common in the coming months and years and decades. 169 00:06:50,900 --> 00:06:55,900 And I think we can fight it or still live it up, right? 170 00:06:55,900 --> 00:06:57,180 - Getting ahead of the curve right now. 171 00:06:57,180 --> 00:06:58,020 - Yeah. 172 00:06:58,020 --> 00:07:01,220 Imagine being the one house on your whole block 173 00:07:01,220 --> 00:07:02,620 that has a bunch of snow in the front yard 174 00:07:02,620 --> 00:07:05,620 and an igloo and a snowman and a snowball fight going on. 175 00:07:05,620 --> 00:07:07,720 - You are going to take Christmas decorations 176 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,020 to the next level with this. 177 00:07:09,020 --> 00:07:10,500 - Yeah. 178 00:07:10,500 --> 00:07:11,340 - Yes. 179 00:07:11,340 --> 00:07:12,160 - That's the whole pitch. 180 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,000 Make this commoditized. 181 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,300 - Childhood winter wonderland simulator 9,000. 182 00:07:16,300 --> 00:07:17,980 (laughing) 183 00:07:17,980 --> 00:07:20,100 Us millennials, you know, being grandparents, 184 00:07:20,100 --> 00:07:22,860 when I was your age, we had the real thing. 185 00:07:22,860 --> 00:07:23,700 - Oh, oh. 186 00:07:23,700 --> 00:07:24,900 - That was too real. 187 00:07:24,900 --> 00:07:26,860 (laughing) 188 00:07:26,860 --> 00:07:29,420 - I know in Minnesota and some other 189 00:07:29,420 --> 00:07:33,020 like deep Midwest plains states that they get snow 190 00:07:33,020 --> 00:07:35,520 in the beginning of the winter and then it just stays 191 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,100 for like five months in terms of giant ice banks. 192 00:07:38,100 --> 00:07:39,580 We don't really have that here in Michigan. 193 00:07:39,580 --> 00:07:42,000 We kind of have it come for a bit and then it's gone. 194 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,220 And then we have a couple of weeks of 40 degrees 195 00:07:44,220 --> 00:07:45,700 in the middle of January. 196 00:07:45,700 --> 00:07:48,140 And then it'll be back to being 20 and another blizzard 197 00:07:48,140 --> 00:07:49,140 and another week of snow. 198 00:07:49,140 --> 00:07:50,080 And then it's gone again. 199 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:51,620 And we sort of go that way the whole time. 200 00:07:51,620 --> 00:07:53,620 I don't think we're going toward a world 201 00:07:53,620 --> 00:07:56,100 where we are going to get sick of snow 202 00:07:56,100 --> 00:07:58,060 in the way that we did in the nineties. 203 00:07:58,060 --> 00:07:59,860 (laughing) 204 00:07:59,860 --> 00:08:00,700 - Yeah. 205 00:08:00,700 --> 00:08:02,100 It's trending down. 206 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:02,940 - Yeah. 207 00:08:02,940 --> 00:08:03,780 (laughing) 208 00:08:03,780 --> 00:08:05,340 - So it's, I think this is-- 209 00:08:05,340 --> 00:08:07,300 - Divest in your snow chairs. 210 00:08:07,300 --> 00:08:08,980 (laughing) 211 00:08:08,980 --> 00:08:10,420 Short snow. 212 00:08:10,420 --> 00:08:14,020 Your municipal plowing companies, divest, divest, divest. 213 00:08:14,020 --> 00:08:16,260 (laughing) 214 00:08:16,260 --> 00:08:17,300 Sell, sell, sell. 215 00:08:17,300 --> 00:08:19,300 Always have a white Christmas. 216 00:08:19,300 --> 00:08:22,300 Okay. So every year, you know. 217 00:08:22,300 --> 00:08:23,140 - You're working on the branding. 218 00:08:23,140 --> 00:08:24,100 - Yes. 219 00:08:24,100 --> 00:08:25,300 It's, that's it. 220 00:08:25,300 --> 00:08:28,580 You just never, never let mom not have 221 00:08:28,580 --> 00:08:31,180 a white Christmas again, you know, 222 00:08:31,180 --> 00:08:35,140 or always have a white Christmas for the kids and family. 223 00:08:35,140 --> 00:08:37,180 You got, you know, dad's, 224 00:08:37,180 --> 00:08:39,460 what are dad's Christmas chores now? 225 00:08:39,460 --> 00:08:44,260 Or progressive families are going to be spraying snow 226 00:08:44,260 --> 00:08:47,380 all day and all night the night before, you know, 227 00:08:47,380 --> 00:08:49,100 Santa came down, ate his cookie 228 00:08:49,100 --> 00:08:51,860 and sprayed snow all over the yard. 229 00:08:51,860 --> 00:08:52,700 - Add that to the mythology. 230 00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:54,900 - All night for you kids. 231 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:57,060 Why was there a giant air compressor sound 232 00:08:57,060 --> 00:08:59,940 coming outside all night while Santa was-- 233 00:08:59,940 --> 00:09:02,540 - Trying to be subtle for your children at 3 AM. 234 00:09:02,540 --> 00:09:03,620 (imitates air compressor) 235 00:09:03,620 --> 00:09:04,460 - That's the thing though. 236 00:09:04,460 --> 00:09:07,220 I feel like right now what's out there is not fun 237 00:09:07,220 --> 00:09:08,940 to just hang out and have fun with 238 00:09:08,940 --> 00:09:10,740 like a bubble machine or whatever. 239 00:09:10,740 --> 00:09:12,580 You got the giant (imitates air compressor) 240 00:09:12,580 --> 00:09:14,900 sound of an air compressor right next to like 241 00:09:14,900 --> 00:09:17,020 hoses that you're having to thaw out 242 00:09:17,020 --> 00:09:18,820 to get to the machine right now. 243 00:09:18,820 --> 00:09:21,620 Cause it's 29 degrees and there's no snow. 244 00:09:21,620 --> 00:09:23,380 There's gotta be a way to like convenience this 245 00:09:23,380 --> 00:09:25,140 so that it's just, I don't know, 246 00:09:25,140 --> 00:09:27,940 fill up a water tank and it just does it, you know. 247 00:09:27,940 --> 00:09:30,940 - It's taking the backyard ice rink to the next level. 248 00:09:30,940 --> 00:09:32,140 I really like this. 249 00:09:32,140 --> 00:09:33,700 There's always that guy on the block. 250 00:09:33,700 --> 00:09:35,940 - It's like a slip and slide for the winter. 251 00:09:35,940 --> 00:09:37,940 - Yeah, snow and slide. 252 00:09:37,940 --> 00:09:39,540 - So if you, imagine what you could do 253 00:09:39,540 --> 00:09:42,060 if you could control where the snow goes. 254 00:09:42,060 --> 00:09:45,940 You could make one giant 15 foot pile in the backyard. 255 00:09:45,940 --> 00:09:48,100 That's for snowing, or for sledding, excuse me. 256 00:09:48,100 --> 00:09:50,860 You could build a ramp, like a roller coaster. 257 00:09:50,860 --> 00:09:52,940 - Build a loop-de-loop. 258 00:09:52,940 --> 00:09:55,900 - That is crazy to think that I could like 3D print 259 00:09:55,900 --> 00:09:58,260 snow in my yard almost in a way, right? 260 00:09:58,260 --> 00:09:59,580 Like-- - There it is. 261 00:09:59,580 --> 00:10:01,020 - That would be fun. 262 00:10:01,020 --> 00:10:03,100 - Yeah, even if there is snow, 263 00:10:03,100 --> 00:10:04,940 there's probably a use for a machine 264 00:10:04,940 --> 00:10:07,100 where you can directionalize it, right? 265 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:09,540 A little cannon, add to certain over here. 266 00:10:09,540 --> 00:10:11,420 - Dude, that'd be actually super convenient. 267 00:10:11,420 --> 00:10:13,500 I need to clean my gutters. 268 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:15,060 There's no snow. 269 00:10:15,060 --> 00:10:18,380 I'm going to build a ramp up to my roof. 270 00:10:18,380 --> 00:10:22,020 - Snow ladder. 271 00:10:22,020 --> 00:10:24,100 - Yeah, it wouldn't take that much water 272 00:10:24,100 --> 00:10:25,540 to make that much snow, right? 273 00:10:25,540 --> 00:10:29,340 I don't know what the snow to water ratio would be, but-- 274 00:10:29,340 --> 00:10:30,980 - I feel like it fluffs up, yeah. 275 00:10:30,980 --> 00:10:32,660 - Right, it's a lot of air. 276 00:10:32,660 --> 00:10:34,620 - Just drain your pool in the backyard. 277 00:10:34,620 --> 00:10:37,140 - The 1% talking. 278 00:10:37,140 --> 00:10:41,700 We all just got pools we can drain. 279 00:10:41,700 --> 00:10:42,700 - Oh yeah. 280 00:10:42,700 --> 00:10:43,860 - I wish. 281 00:10:43,860 --> 00:10:46,020 - Just repurpose some gray water, you know? 282 00:10:46,020 --> 00:10:50,300 - Yellow snow? 283 00:10:50,300 --> 00:10:51,580 No, gray snow. 284 00:10:51,580 --> 00:10:53,540 - You guys are really putting a spin on this. 285 00:10:53,540 --> 00:10:54,380 I don't know. 286 00:10:54,380 --> 00:10:57,340 Gray water snow doesn't sound great. 287 00:10:57,340 --> 00:10:58,940 - Tell your kids not to eat it. 288 00:11:01,100 --> 00:11:03,020 - Don't eat gray snow. 289 00:11:03,020 --> 00:11:06,980 It's a slightly tinge, a little off white. 290 00:11:06,980 --> 00:11:09,300 - I'll have a gray Christmas without you. 291 00:11:09,300 --> 00:11:10,140 - From what we're saying about this, 292 00:11:10,140 --> 00:11:12,500 I think this might be one of the best ideas 293 00:11:12,500 --> 00:11:13,380 that we've had on here. 294 00:11:13,380 --> 00:11:14,260 This is brilliant. 295 00:11:14,260 --> 00:11:16,780 If you could truly create a prepackaged way 296 00:11:16,780 --> 00:11:18,740 to get snow in your backyard, 297 00:11:18,740 --> 00:11:20,380 people would be all over that. 298 00:11:20,380 --> 00:11:22,220 You'd be just that person in the neighborhood 299 00:11:22,220 --> 00:11:25,340 that always has, it's not having a green grass, 300 00:11:25,340 --> 00:11:26,860 it's having snow on your front lawn. 301 00:11:26,860 --> 00:11:27,700 - Yes. 302 00:11:27,700 --> 00:11:30,820 - Yeah, if you could have the machine itself do the cooling, 303 00:11:30,820 --> 00:11:33,060 then you could even do this at like, you know, 304 00:11:33,060 --> 00:11:35,340 40, 52 degrees in the spring. 305 00:11:35,340 --> 00:11:37,220 It doesn't have to stay around for too long. 306 00:11:37,220 --> 00:11:39,140 You run it for an hour or two, yeah. 307 00:11:39,140 --> 00:11:40,460 - I didn't even think about that. 308 00:11:40,460 --> 00:11:42,420 Could you pre-cool the, 309 00:11:42,420 --> 00:11:44,900 is that what like snow throwers do in these? 310 00:11:44,900 --> 00:11:46,900 I wonder how those commercial ones do it. 311 00:11:46,900 --> 00:11:49,020 - I don't think so, yeah. 312 00:11:49,020 --> 00:11:53,100 I think that they usually have like a big old fan 313 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:55,260 and they just rely on the cold weather itself. 314 00:11:55,260 --> 00:11:57,780 But it seems like you could have a little, you know, 315 00:11:57,780 --> 00:12:00,220 refrigerator freezer unit right at the tip. 316 00:12:00,220 --> 00:12:02,500 Nucleation nozzle, that's what it is. 317 00:12:02,500 --> 00:12:04,420 There's a commercial nucleation nozzle 318 00:12:04,420 --> 00:12:06,180 that's kind of like a little ball bearing that spins 319 00:12:06,180 --> 00:12:07,620 and sort of agitates the water 320 00:12:07,620 --> 00:12:09,380 as it's coming out to mist it. 321 00:12:09,380 --> 00:12:14,140 Nucleation nozzle plus high pressure air plus water. 322 00:12:14,140 --> 00:12:16,140 That's all you need, plus temperature, obviously. 323 00:12:16,140 --> 00:12:17,260 - Yeah, I think that's cool. 324 00:12:17,260 --> 00:12:18,860 You also don't have to deal with like, 325 00:12:18,860 --> 00:12:19,980 when I think of the snow, 326 00:12:19,980 --> 00:12:23,060 I think of all the snow shoveling and the worst parts of it. 327 00:12:23,060 --> 00:12:26,700 So this is all the fun, none of the hassle, right? 328 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:28,160 Get your snow thrower. 329 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,880 I bet, like if you figure out how to build this, Leo, 330 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,880 there is like, I guess I'm trying to think 331 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,660 of the upper version, 332 00:12:34,660 --> 00:12:37,060 the one that's, like, yes, your local residential version, 333 00:12:37,060 --> 00:12:40,380 but there's probably like a commercial level, 334 00:12:40,380 --> 00:12:43,420 like, all right, here's your four grand version 335 00:12:43,420 --> 00:12:46,420 for those that wanna always host the events, you know, 336 00:12:46,420 --> 00:12:49,960 or like the city buys a more effective snow thrower 337 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,820 for special events or that kind of thing, you know. 338 00:12:54,820 --> 00:12:58,240 If you can somehow make it portable and all that other stuff 339 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,720 you can create a snow as a service, which just sounds crazy, 340 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,680 but like, why not? 341 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:06,920 I mean, you don't need it all year round. 342 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,800 You can kind of just create a, you know, 343 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,080 a fire truck level experience where you just roll up, 344 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:15,480 - Yeah. - You know, 345 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:16,320 couple days. - Shoot snow 346 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,560 at little kids and drive away. 347 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:20,680 - Connect to a fire hydrant, right? 348 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:23,060 Like if the, like cities would love 349 00:13:23,060 --> 00:13:26,060 to create a snow experience, you know, 350 00:13:26,060 --> 00:13:28,960 creates a lot of, especially when it's like the winter time 351 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,500 and every city's trying to like get people 352 00:13:30,500 --> 00:13:32,980 to go buy and shop, you can kind of create, 353 00:13:32,980 --> 00:13:34,460 given certain times of year, 354 00:13:34,460 --> 00:13:36,820 - Totally. - Roll up in an old fire truck, 355 00:13:36,820 --> 00:13:40,180 spray snow for like a couple hours. 356 00:13:40,180 --> 00:13:42,060 And I mean that flow rate, dude, 357 00:13:42,060 --> 00:13:44,760 like get the nucleation going. 358 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:45,780 (laughing) 359 00:13:45,780 --> 00:13:50,620 Kick it up in a, what if I had the commercial machine, 360 00:13:50,620 --> 00:13:54,460 and I would, you could pay me a hundred bucks. 361 00:13:54,460 --> 00:13:55,680 - Rentals, yeah. 362 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:56,580 - Yeah, like. - You fill up, 363 00:13:56,580 --> 00:13:58,180 like a carpet cleaning van. 364 00:13:58,180 --> 00:14:00,100 You just show up and you pull out your hose 365 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:03,860 and spray for an hour and you're done, you leave. 366 00:14:03,860 --> 00:14:05,400 That's it, yeah. 367 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,500 - 'Cause then you don't have to worry about equipment 368 00:14:07,500 --> 00:14:09,020 and storage and all that. 369 00:14:09,020 --> 00:14:13,580 And it's not like, it's a service and sure it melts, 370 00:14:13,580 --> 00:14:16,120 you know, but maybe you produce so much of it, 371 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,180 it'll like pile up and it's easier to stack 372 00:14:19,180 --> 00:14:20,100 or something like that. 373 00:14:20,100 --> 00:14:21,100 You know, you get. 374 00:14:21,100 --> 00:14:23,460 - Just do a punch card system at that point. 375 00:14:23,460 --> 00:14:24,300 - Yeah. 376 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:27,340 I mean, you might have like, 377 00:14:27,340 --> 00:14:30,300 especially right at the week leading up to Christmas, 378 00:14:30,300 --> 00:14:31,380 just. - There you go. 379 00:14:31,380 --> 00:14:34,060 - Make all your money back for the year. 380 00:14:34,060 --> 00:14:36,060 - If it wasn't snowing. 381 00:14:36,060 --> 00:14:37,060 - If it wasn't snowing. 382 00:14:37,060 --> 00:14:38,380 - Ads write themselves, 383 00:14:38,380 --> 00:14:41,340 tired of living in a climate crisis? 384 00:14:41,340 --> 00:14:42,700 Relive your childhood. 385 00:14:42,700 --> 00:14:44,380 (laughing) 386 00:14:44,380 --> 00:14:46,900 - Wanna go back to that nostalgic past? 387 00:14:46,900 --> 00:14:49,260 - Pretend, the good old days. 388 00:14:49,260 --> 00:14:50,660 Shake some jingle bells. 389 00:14:50,660 --> 00:14:54,000 In the background, you got yourself a commercial. 390 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,680 I think I would pay like 50 bucks. 391 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,380 Like, all right, get the snow here, you know? 392 00:14:59,380 --> 00:15:00,220 - Birthday parties coming up. 393 00:15:00,220 --> 00:15:02,020 - I feel like 50 bucks doesn't even come close 394 00:15:02,020 --> 00:15:05,100 to cover the energy bill for plucking in such a thing. 395 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:07,340 (laughing) 396 00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:10,060 - Oh, I'll give it a hundred. 397 00:15:10,060 --> 00:15:11,980 - Save the math for the engineers. 398 00:15:11,980 --> 00:15:14,020 - Yeah, that's right, the engineers. 399 00:15:14,020 --> 00:15:15,300 That's right. 400 00:15:15,300 --> 00:15:17,260 I haven't talked about them in a while. 401 00:15:17,260 --> 00:15:18,460 (laughing) 402 00:15:18,460 --> 00:15:19,500 Oh, that's the other thing. 403 00:15:19,500 --> 00:15:22,140 So the thing that I was looking at was water spigot. 404 00:15:22,140 --> 00:15:24,980 So Backyard Snowstorm, who great job pioneering this idea 405 00:15:24,980 --> 00:15:26,240 before I got a chance to. 406 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,960 It's water hose, garden hose to a pressure washer 407 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,660 that you also have to provide. 408 00:15:31,660 --> 00:15:32,500 - What? 409 00:15:32,500 --> 00:15:33,900 - So you're using your own power washer 410 00:15:33,900 --> 00:15:35,860 and then that goes to the snow gun 411 00:15:35,860 --> 00:15:38,860 and an air compressor separately also goes to the snow gun. 412 00:15:38,860 --> 00:15:40,100 And that's what they need right now. 413 00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:41,500 That's when I was reading that and I said, 414 00:15:41,500 --> 00:15:42,700 okay, I gotta make this a little more. 415 00:15:42,700 --> 00:15:43,900 - A lot of assembly required. 416 00:15:43,900 --> 00:15:46,380 - I'm not bringing my power washer too, yeah. 417 00:15:46,380 --> 00:15:48,380 - Yeah, no, screw all that. 418 00:15:48,380 --> 00:15:50,820 - I love the idea of getting an old fire truck, 419 00:15:50,820 --> 00:15:53,020 putting the machine on top of it 420 00:15:53,020 --> 00:15:54,700 and just going around for a rental service, 421 00:15:54,700 --> 00:15:56,540 blasting different people's lawn areas. 422 00:15:56,540 --> 00:15:57,380 - The snow truck, yeah. 423 00:15:57,380 --> 00:15:58,220 - Experience winter again, sucker. 424 00:15:58,220 --> 00:16:00,020 - The snow truck called the Jack Frost. 425 00:16:00,020 --> 00:16:01,220 (laughing) 426 00:16:01,220 --> 00:16:02,700 - Chances coming in towns. 427 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:04,940 (laughing) 428 00:16:04,940 --> 00:16:08,340 - If you could hold that little Dixie cone cups 429 00:16:08,340 --> 00:16:10,860 and collect it and make snow cones on the side. 430 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:14,100 - Dude, that's where it's at, Leo. 431 00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:16,620 Imagine you create an experience 432 00:16:16,620 --> 00:16:17,940 that's just like a pile of snow 433 00:16:17,940 --> 00:16:20,300 and people come up with their snow cones. 434 00:16:20,300 --> 00:16:22,900 All you can cone, you know? 435 00:16:22,900 --> 00:16:24,940 - Wait, is this the gray snow or the normal snow? 436 00:16:24,940 --> 00:16:27,140 (laughing) 437 00:16:27,140 --> 00:16:32,140 - You sell this to firefighter company, like firefighters. 438 00:16:32,140 --> 00:16:34,380 And now they're doing it themselves. 439 00:16:34,380 --> 00:16:36,900 - An attachment that goes on top of the fire truck 440 00:16:36,900 --> 00:16:39,940 so that they can be the cool fireman in the city. 441 00:16:39,940 --> 00:16:40,780 - That's right. 442 00:16:40,780 --> 00:16:41,660 And so maybe they don't, 443 00:16:41,660 --> 00:16:43,700 you're missing out on the service component, 444 00:16:43,700 --> 00:16:44,780 but they're more of that, 445 00:16:44,780 --> 00:16:48,260 oh, now the city has a snow throwing machine on tap. 446 00:16:48,260 --> 00:16:49,100 - Dude, yes. 447 00:16:49,100 --> 00:16:50,780 - Or you make it a subscription service 448 00:16:50,780 --> 00:16:52,900 where they'll come by once or twice a week 449 00:16:52,900 --> 00:16:57,900 and just lay out a nice snow yard 450 00:16:57,900 --> 00:16:59,820 on your neighborhood hill. 451 00:16:59,820 --> 00:17:01,060 - Like your front yard, who knows? 452 00:17:01,060 --> 00:17:02,780 - It's a fundraiser event, you know, 453 00:17:02,780 --> 00:17:06,540 buy some snow and the fire trucks just go around. 454 00:17:06,540 --> 00:17:09,300 - It's a fundraiser for municipalities. 455 00:17:09,300 --> 00:17:10,420 That's a great idea. 456 00:17:10,420 --> 00:17:11,260 - There you go. 457 00:17:11,260 --> 00:17:13,420 Now it can actually happen, right? 458 00:17:13,420 --> 00:17:16,420 We just got to create the nuclei for the nozzle. 459 00:17:16,420 --> 00:17:17,740 (laughing) 460 00:17:17,740 --> 00:17:18,580 - Create the nuclei. 461 00:17:18,580 --> 00:17:20,540 - The nuclear brand name. 462 00:17:20,540 --> 00:17:21,380 - Nuculi. 463 00:17:21,380 --> 00:17:22,580 (laughing) 464 00:17:22,580 --> 00:17:25,620 - There's so much fusion with snow, I didn't know. 465 00:17:25,620 --> 00:17:27,380 - Nuculi is the name of the business. 466 00:17:27,380 --> 00:17:28,220 It's settled. 467 00:17:28,220 --> 00:17:30,800 (upbeat music) 468 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,940 - All right, Scott, what do you got for us this week? 469 00:17:34,940 --> 00:17:35,780 - All right, guys. 470 00:17:35,780 --> 00:17:37,620 I want to do something a little different this week. 471 00:17:37,620 --> 00:17:39,140 In case anyone's forgotten, 472 00:17:39,140 --> 00:17:41,620 our normal MO in the show is that we talk about 473 00:17:41,620 --> 00:17:43,820 fun startup or tech ideas that we'd love to try, 474 00:17:43,820 --> 00:17:45,340 but don't have time for. 475 00:17:45,340 --> 00:17:46,380 Over the last couple of weeks, 476 00:17:46,380 --> 00:17:49,660 I broke that rule and attempted to execute 477 00:17:49,660 --> 00:17:51,100 one of the ideas fully. 478 00:17:51,100 --> 00:17:52,660 And so what I mean is that I started 479 00:17:52,660 --> 00:17:54,500 with the napkin sketch idea from, 480 00:17:54,500 --> 00:17:55,820 I think it was episode two, 481 00:17:55,820 --> 00:17:59,020 and flushed it out into a e-commerce website 482 00:17:59,020 --> 00:18:01,020 that's selling a product right now. 483 00:18:01,020 --> 00:18:02,340 So instead of pitching this week, 484 00:18:02,340 --> 00:18:04,060 I just want to kind of tell what happens 485 00:18:04,060 --> 00:18:06,340 if you follow through with one of the crazy ideas 486 00:18:06,340 --> 00:18:08,140 in the show and how the process works. 487 00:18:08,140 --> 00:18:09,580 - Beautiful, let's do it. 488 00:18:09,580 --> 00:18:10,700 Which episode was that? 489 00:18:10,700 --> 00:18:11,540 What idea? 490 00:18:11,540 --> 00:18:15,100 - We had talked about a small plastic light up button 491 00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:17,260 that we had found in AliExpress. 492 00:18:17,260 --> 00:18:19,340 And they look like that was easy buttons, 493 00:18:19,340 --> 00:18:20,500 if you guys remember those. 494 00:18:20,500 --> 00:18:21,900 - Oh yeah. 495 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:23,900 - They light up and there's also, 496 00:18:23,900 --> 00:18:26,460 it's a button that lights up and there's also a USB tail 497 00:18:26,460 --> 00:18:28,020 that comes out and plugs into a computer. 498 00:18:28,020 --> 00:18:30,340 - Press this one grandma to answer the call. 499 00:18:30,340 --> 00:18:31,380 I remember that. 500 00:18:31,380 --> 00:18:32,620 - Yes, exactly. 501 00:18:32,620 --> 00:18:35,220 So on AliExpress, the Chinese factory 502 00:18:35,220 --> 00:18:36,980 that was selling these guys, 503 00:18:36,980 --> 00:18:38,780 you buy them in bulk, of course, 504 00:18:38,780 --> 00:18:41,820 and you're supposed to put your company's logo on top 505 00:18:41,820 --> 00:18:43,940 and then give them away at like trade shows 506 00:18:43,940 --> 00:18:45,300 or marketing events. 507 00:18:45,300 --> 00:18:47,100 And then anyone who receives one of these buttons 508 00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:49,920 from your booth can go home, plug it in your computer. 509 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,460 And when you press it, your company website will pop up. 510 00:18:52,460 --> 00:18:55,360 It blew my mind that like the amount of overkill 511 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:57,940 that was happening here and that they were, 512 00:18:57,940 --> 00:19:01,500 this factory was selling so much hardware for so cheap. 513 00:19:01,500 --> 00:19:03,140 There's a plastic injection shell, 514 00:19:03,140 --> 00:19:05,140 there's a circuit board inside, there's a USB cable, 515 00:19:05,140 --> 00:19:06,220 there's a logo on top, 516 00:19:06,220 --> 00:19:08,020 all for just a couple of bucks a unit. 517 00:19:08,020 --> 00:19:11,420 So in the original Spitball episode, 518 00:19:11,420 --> 00:19:13,620 we had talked about what if for a startup idea, 519 00:19:13,620 --> 00:19:15,860 we took these buttons, wrote some code 520 00:19:15,860 --> 00:19:18,740 so that there could be say a light reminder 521 00:19:18,740 --> 00:19:19,740 for daily tasks. 522 00:19:19,740 --> 00:19:22,280 Like I keep one in my kitchen and once a week 523 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,580 when it's time to take out the garbage, it'll light up. 524 00:19:24,580 --> 00:19:26,420 And I know to take out the garbage. 525 00:19:26,420 --> 00:19:27,460 And when I take it out, I press it 526 00:19:27,460 --> 00:19:29,000 and it turns off until next week. 527 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,860 What if instead of reminders, 528 00:19:30,860 --> 00:19:33,580 I could use this while playing a video game 529 00:19:33,580 --> 00:19:35,760 as a piece of extended hardware? 530 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,900 - Which I think you had mentioned in the original pitch. 531 00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:38,740 - Yeah. 532 00:19:38,740 --> 00:19:39,580 - Yeah, very briefly. 533 00:19:39,580 --> 00:19:41,780 This was kind of where my mind was at at the time. 534 00:19:41,780 --> 00:19:43,540 But I mean, we all grew up in a time 535 00:19:43,540 --> 00:19:47,020 when real time strategy games were all the rage, 536 00:19:47,020 --> 00:19:49,940 Starcraft, Age of Mythology, Age of Empires, 537 00:19:49,940 --> 00:19:51,260 Rise of Nations, whatever. 538 00:19:51,260 --> 00:19:53,980 You know, you would get the CD in a cereal box growing up 539 00:19:53,980 --> 00:19:57,760 and then be able to play it on your Windows 95 PC. 540 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,800 Yes, I still play these games to this day 541 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,420 and there's a large community of people that still do. 542 00:20:02,420 --> 00:20:04,580 Thank you Twitch for bringing it back. 543 00:20:04,580 --> 00:20:07,680 But I wanted to see if I could use one of these buttons 544 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,600 inside of the video game, 545 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,300 like have this button sitting on my desk. 546 00:20:11,300 --> 00:20:13,020 And when something happens in the game 547 00:20:13,020 --> 00:20:15,480 that I need reminding of, or I forget to do something, 548 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,700 it lights up and tells me I need to do something. 549 00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:22,160 So anyway, that started, that whole pitch on Spitball 550 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,280 started a journey into the idle TC reminder light. 551 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,860 Really, I just wanted to make an MVP for this 552 00:20:28,860 --> 00:20:30,380 and I'm not a coder. 553 00:20:30,380 --> 00:20:33,500 So I've dabbled in some microcontroller stuff before, 554 00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:35,760 but I've never got like down and dirty with Python. 555 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,580 So fortunately, chat GPT is a thing now. 556 00:20:39,580 --> 00:20:41,660 And if you just describe what you're thinking 557 00:20:41,660 --> 00:20:44,760 in a chat GPT, it's competent enough to spit out some code 558 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,800 that actually works decently well. 559 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,880 And if it doesn't do exactly what you want the first time, 560 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,340 you just, or it gives you an error, 561 00:20:50,340 --> 00:20:53,140 you just paste the error back into chat GPT and say, fix it. 562 00:20:53,140 --> 00:20:55,340 And then it spits out a different version of code. 563 00:20:55,340 --> 00:20:57,140 And you just keep repeating that more and more 564 00:20:57,140 --> 00:20:58,840 until you come up with an MVP 565 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,900 for whatever product you're trying to work on. 566 00:21:00,900 --> 00:21:02,560 Hint, hint for people in the future. 567 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,820 So anyway, we ended up with a working prototype 568 00:21:06,820 --> 00:21:08,480 for the game Age of Empires, 569 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,080 where if you're playing the game 570 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,740 and your main building, the game town center 571 00:21:12,740 --> 00:21:14,420 is not producing the villagers, 572 00:21:14,420 --> 00:21:16,380 the light will light up on your desk. 573 00:21:16,380 --> 00:21:18,960 And that is the entire product MVP. 574 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:19,800 - Wow. 575 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,500 - I messaged some people on Reddit. 576 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:23,420 I started reaching out to random friends 577 00:21:23,420 --> 00:21:25,040 that I knew still played the game 578 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,800 and got enough interest in it that we kept it going. 579 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,840 - I would love to talk about like just being a background. 580 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:31,680 - And you launched. 581 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,840 - Being an observer to this, Scott, 582 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,020 what was cool is it didn't start like, 583 00:21:37,020 --> 00:21:39,540 I think you kind of thought about the idea, 584 00:21:39,540 --> 00:21:43,900 but it was a little bit of listening to the community 585 00:21:43,900 --> 00:21:46,140 on the Age of Empires subreddit 586 00:21:46,140 --> 00:21:48,740 and just watching that community one grow 587 00:21:48,740 --> 00:21:50,940 and then everybody talking about a major problem 588 00:21:50,940 --> 00:21:52,100 they were having. 589 00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:54,140 And you're like, shoot, I'm on Spitball. 590 00:21:54,140 --> 00:21:57,180 - I have a cheap Chinese product that could solve this 591 00:21:57,180 --> 00:21:59,380 that I heard on episode two of Spitball. 592 00:21:59,380 --> 00:22:00,220 - Right. 593 00:22:00,220 --> 00:22:03,180 - Would that product be easily transferable 594 00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:05,280 to something like Starcraft or Starcraft 2? 595 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,760 - I think if you just went back to chat GPT 596 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,880 and re-asked, use some of the same prompts to be like, 597 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,960 hey, if you see this image on this screen, 598 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,800 this specific thing is happening, 599 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,560 send this USB command to light up light. 600 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:17,800 Yeah, I think it would be very easy 601 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,080 to move this to any other game. 602 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,140 Age of Empires is just kind of a prototype 603 00:22:22,140 --> 00:22:23,160 that we've been doing it with. 604 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,640 - Is this cheating? 605 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,320 - That's my next question is, 606 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,000 (laughing) 607 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,040 Starcraft 2 is a big like e-sports 608 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,400 and like, I assume it could also be applied 609 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,640 if someone was adventurous enough 610 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,440 could probably do League of Legends or whatever. 611 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,880 - So this is when you learn how to pivot really quick. 612 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,120 'Cause when I first posted this on Reddit, 613 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:44,840 people were like, is that, can you do that? 614 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:45,880 I don't know. 615 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,800 So you rebranded as, well, it's actually a training light 616 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,280 for new players learn the game. 617 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,680 And everyone's like, oh yeah, okay, that makes sense. 618 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,720 And so that's what we've been going with ever since. 619 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,480 The idle town center training light. 620 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,000 - Which I think is totally legit. 621 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,400 'Cause like when you're doing, 622 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,820 here's an example, like when you're swimming 623 00:23:04,820 --> 00:23:06,960 and you wear flippers or you have a pull buoy, 624 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,640 like you have things that help you cheat when you swim, 625 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:10,480 but it helps you train. 626 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,400 - You need your training wheels, exactly. 627 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,080 - You can focus on other things 628 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,920 or gain muscle memory using this training light. 629 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,000 You know, I think it's really hard 630 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,800 if you're like trying to be a pro gamer 631 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,240 to become more effective. 632 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,680 Yeah, I have a lot of family 633 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,360 in like the video game industry. 634 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:31,620 And it's just like, you have to be born 635 00:23:31,620 --> 00:23:34,320 with like crazy reaction time 636 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,920 or you find ways like this to maybe be more competitive 637 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,800 or practice something in a different way. 638 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,640 I think stuff like this needs to come out 639 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,800 like more often than just play as much as you can 640 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,120 and eventually get good. 641 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,960 You know, there should be just like drills. 642 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,800 I don't know, like to get good at a game 643 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,000 instead of playing it in the same way. 644 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,840 It's like only learning how to play soccer or basketball 645 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,680 by playing live games. 646 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,480 There are drills, there are practice, 647 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:02,960 there are methods to this. 648 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,840 And I feel like Idle TC might be that first step 649 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,440 in practice gaming or something. 650 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:09,280 Yeah, I don't know. 651 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,120 - Thank you. 652 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:10,940 - Yeah. 653 00:24:10,940 --> 00:24:15,000 - Scott, I think a nice natural extension to this idea 654 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,520 is to make the light condition change. 655 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,000 So like my scout has stopped moving, 656 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,920 like it's gonna start flashing, right? 657 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,800 Like if you can make a GUI 658 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,600 that would allow you to change the condition that. 659 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,760 - So it's funny you bring that up 660 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,560 because after the feedback of random people on Reddit 661 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,480 and just talking it through and describing the product, 662 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,120 they're like, "Oh, you should add this feature. 663 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:40,320 "You should add a GUI that you can control this." 664 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,000 And I'll go, "Great, we're gonna do that." 665 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,240 And so with a combination of some smart coworkers 666 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,320 who know how to code and chat GPT 667 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,280 just describing what I want into it, 668 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,000 we were able to create to add several more features 669 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,040 'cause it's an RGB light, it can flash any color you want. 670 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,640 So different colors mean different things in the game. 671 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,360 And then a little GUI can pop up now 672 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,840 that you can control exactly what you wanna see 673 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:02,680 and what you don't. 674 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,240 - Consider like templates for different games, 675 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:10,240 like StarCraft II, like you preload a profile for that game 676 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,960 so that as SAV has stopped, 677 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,680 or you need extra pylons flashing. 678 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,240 - There almost needs to be additional pylons. 679 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,280 - Steam has the whole, like you can define 680 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,440 a controller layout and everyone has their favorites 681 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,000 and you can vote this, this controller layout's the best. 682 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,200 You almost need like a marketplace 683 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,000 where people can create their own RGB schemes 684 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,080 and things to look for. - Yeah, fantastic. 685 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,280 - Yeah, you download it for that one obscure game 686 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,400 'cause someone else made it 687 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,280 and you make your own different set for Age of Empires 688 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,800 'cause you want that to be purple at this time. 689 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,360 - Just an entire open source community of, 690 00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:48,680 hey, you could turn this little USB button 691 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,600 to do whatever you want for whatever game. 692 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,360 - And there's so many resources out there for like, 693 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,120 go into your program that you made 694 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:57,840 and put in a GitHub repository or something 695 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,840 and you don't even have to worry about the hosting 696 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,160 and infrastructure and all that. 697 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,680 - Right, no, that's it. 698 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,280 I think if you marketplace this, you're selling hardware. 699 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,480 That's where you're making your money. 700 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,680 The software is a sinkhole of, right? 701 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,640 Infinite amount of software improvements. 702 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,000 - Outsource the software to the community. 703 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,520 - And they're the type of people 704 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,200 you're in a niche that they're all coders 705 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,080 probably in their part-time jobs 706 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,040 or contributing in some way. 707 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,080 So naturally they're gonna wanna contribute, 708 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,040 I think, to a project like this. 709 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,000 - You're just making an API, yeah. 710 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,920 - So just selling the hardware, 711 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,360 Russell had a brilliant idea of, 712 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:40,040 well, look, you just have a that was easy button 713 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:40,880 on your desk. 714 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,960 What if you actually made something that, 715 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,400 you know, reference the game 716 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,320 or look like something from the game that would light up 717 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,920 instead of just the button itself. 718 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,360 So Russell had this idea to create a medieval tower 719 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:56,200 of something from the game that would sit on your desk, 720 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,640 look cool, and also light up to whatever color 721 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,760 that you need to be alerted to in the game. 722 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,320 And then that's when everything just really took off 723 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,160 with this product. 724 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,480 People were like, oh my God, look at this cool thing. 725 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,560 It sits on my desk and it's functional. 726 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,000 Like, absolutely, give me one. 727 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,120 - It looks like the thing, yeah. 728 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:12,960 - And so we did a couple of Reddit posts. 729 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,400 We created a website, 730 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,800 bought several, you know, 731 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,040 thousands of these buttons from China 732 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,000 and have just been selling them ever since. 733 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,000 - Congratulations. 734 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,240 And where can you get those again? 735 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,680 - Oh yes, I shall plug this, idletowncenter.com. 736 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,800 If anyone plays Age of Empires II, 737 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,600 you should absolutely go there. 738 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,880 I know it's a niche of a niche market, but this is cool. 739 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:35,720 - Yeah. 740 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,440 - Can you make a tier product where like 741 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,000 you pay the base amount for like the simplest watch tower 742 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,160 and then you like the highest tier is the bombardier tower. 743 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,000 (laughing) 744 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:45,840 - Yeah. 745 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:46,680 - Like the model. 746 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,760 - Why not? 747 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,360 - Oh, we're still, why not? 748 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:51,200 Absolutely. 749 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,720 We're still in early days on this. 750 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:53,760 You can buy just the button 751 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,800 or you can buy the cool tower attachment on top. 752 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,400 But every single person buys the cool tower 753 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,240 and that's where you get your margins from. 754 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,920 - Dude, that's why you Spitball at home. 755 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,160 You Spitball in your free time. 756 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,000 - That's why you Spitball. 757 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:04,840 - That's right. 758 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,400 'Cause yeah, just that community group thing. 759 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,400 I'm so glad it looks, I was lucky enough to get one 760 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,280 and we, it's so cool. 761 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,920 On my fricking desk, dude, I have it right here. 762 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,000 - So this tower you're selling is 3D printed? 763 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:19,840 - Yep. 764 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,240 It's all 3D printed at home. 765 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,080 - Holy cow. 766 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,640 It doesn't look like it at all. 767 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:24,480 - Yeah, right? 768 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,120 - If anyone, if you have any ideas 769 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:28,360 or you see any Spitball that's like, wow 770 00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:29,840 that could actually be a good idea. 771 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,040 Let us know and we can. 772 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,280 - You should talk to us about any of your ideas. 773 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,120 We wanna Spitball it with you. 774 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:37,680 I mean, right? 775 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,840 Scott was selling a button and now it turned, 776 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,040 it started as a, you know, episode two idea 777 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,920 and now it's a button that exists. 778 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,640 - It's a real website that is selling units per day. 779 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:49,560 - I mean, that's no joke. 780 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,200 That's like a huge effort and it's a starting point, right? 781 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,960 I think a lot of success comes from starting somewhere 782 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,720 and then moving forward from that. 783 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,680 And I think I was, we were spitballing yesterday, Scott, 784 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,520 right? 785 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,880 About the next, the idle TC, finding a niche gaming, 786 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,960 you know, community and creating small little widgets 787 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,000 or gadgets to support their training experience. 788 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,440 You know, the, the super smash brothers 789 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,840 melee gaming community is for some reason, so hot. 790 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,240 It's an old game. 791 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,200 - For some reason. 792 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,040 - I mean, it's a fun game, but like. 793 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,040 - It's a masterpiece. 794 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,920 - Yes. See like, yeah, we got, we, it's just how it is. 795 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,320 So how do you create more training experiences 796 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,640 or create products within that niche to help them train 797 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,160 better while they're not gaming? 798 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,320 And I think maybe I don't TC is not like that 799 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,560 when they're not gaming, but like, there's definitely ways 800 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,560 that you can tap into that gaming niche 801 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,720 and that's where I don't TC could branch, you know, 802 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:48,560 in ways so. 803 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:49,600 - Yep. 804 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,880 - When Starcraft 2 first came out, like I watched 805 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,440 like the kind of the pro scene to try to learn how to play. 806 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,720 And I would try to mimic that, but they have such like fast, 807 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,800 I can't remember what was the minute. 808 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,000 Yes, that exactly. 809 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:03,880 Yes. Right. 810 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,240 I would just try to like slam on my keyboard. 811 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,440 Like I'm trying to do all these things. 812 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,600 And obviously it doesn't really work on this. 813 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,840 Like constantly hot keying the command center 814 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,560 or whatever that, and the, whatever the key 815 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,920 for the build the SCB. 816 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,800 This thing is, I ultimately got turned off 817 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:22,640 to the competitive scene. 818 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,760 Cause it was just so intimidating, but like, this is 819 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,760 such a great like tool for someone just increase their 820 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,640 like such a basic skill that's needed, like a higher level. 821 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,520 - All this to say like all these ideas on this show 822 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,920 they can all become real. 823 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:37,760 - Totally. 824 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,240 - Someone just has to act on them. 825 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,280 - Yeah. You, you two are always like super 826 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,480 into the entrepreneur side. 827 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,480 I bring all these ideas. 828 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,040 Cause I genuinely want to have these things in the world. 829 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,640 I just want a smoke detector for severe weather. 830 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,700 And so I'm just hoping someone actually does it. 831 00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:56,960 I don't want to make a business out of it and deal 832 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,240 with tech support and distribution and all that stuff. 833 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,080 I just, I want the thing. 834 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,080 - I remember that episode of Leo where I just 835 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,480 I just want the voice on the smoke detector to be like 836 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,400 please tuck your head between your knees. 837 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,200 - Get down, get down, get down. 838 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,640 - Assume the position. 839 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,960 Embrace yourself now. 840 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,960 - Move to an interior room. 841 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,680 - Your house is about to be torn apart. 842 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,400 - I've been thinking about the last episode 843 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:22,480 in store is on. 844 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,440 - Store is on? 845 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:24,280 - Non-stop. 846 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,400 It's so good. 847 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,000 It's fun to think about how you can turn this 848 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,360 into a business, but if you're out there 849 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,400 and you just want something to exist in the world 850 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,240 I also encourage you to just do it for you, man. 851 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,240 I have so many things in my office that I have built 852 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,680 that I never intend to turn into a product 853 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:39,920 that I'm happy I made. 854 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:40,760 - Reach out to us. 855 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:41,580 We'd love to help. 856 00:31:41,580 --> 00:31:43,800 - Open source podcast@spitball.show. 857 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,160 - Scott, like what's next with Idle TC? 858 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,920 Like what do you want to Spitball now that we're here 859 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:50,880 with Idle TC? 860 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,760 Is there a next? 861 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,320 - You don't want to call it done now. 862 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,160 - Not yet. 863 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,360 The idea of having an open source community, 864 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,920 being able to, we're, you know 865 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,560 we're just selling these buttons 866 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,560 and the community is creating different software for this. 867 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:04,640 That's incredible. 868 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,240 And I think everyone would win in that scenario. 869 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,080 - Very cool. 870 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,320 - Yeah, if you make it easy to create the plugin, right? 871 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,080 Like get the StarCraft version, you know 872 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,760 you could create the, what is it? 873 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,920 Horizontal, like get every gaming. 874 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,400 Every game has a tower on there, you know 875 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,320 whatever that might look like, any competitive gamer 876 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,600 go to Overwatch, League of Legends. 877 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,880 There's such a huge band that you can take. 878 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,720 - Any MOBA. 879 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,560 - Yeah. 880 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,960 - It's, I mean. 881 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:34,920 - Can we get the Counter-Strike? 882 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,240 That's like the biggest game ever. 883 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,200 How do you get into PAL world? 884 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,960 How do you get into Counter-Strike? 885 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,160 - Yes. 886 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,880 And you 3D print everything, Scott. 887 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,280 Like you have the base, you have the raw material. 888 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,120 So it's like, you know, I think the software fee is the cost. 889 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,760 And so how do you get around 890 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,840 or how do you figure that part out? 891 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:54,680 - Open source. 892 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,440 - Here's the key market, Stardew Valley. 893 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,520 - Yes. 894 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,040 - Starts blinking at midnight. 895 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,920 - You haven't given Gus a fish taco today. 896 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:09,040 You're gonna lose out on major friendship gains 897 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,120 if you don't give him that fish taco. 898 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,720 - I was thinking, keeping an eye on the time. 899 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,120 I have a hard time making it back to my bed by 2 AM. 900 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,920 - I have a spreadsheet, like, oh God. 901 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,120 (laughing) 902 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:19,960 - Yeah. 903 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,120 - It's like 90% of my time, my Steam deck 904 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,560 has been playing that game that I already have 905 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,720 like 150 hours on anyways. 906 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:26,560 - Yeah. 907 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,480 - It's deceptively like stressful. 908 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,920 That game builds itself as like, 909 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:31,760 oh, you could just have some fun. 910 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,320 - That's how I sell it to everyone else. 911 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,280 - Have a nice time, but then yeah, 912 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,120 you end up with your spreadsheet. 913 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,360 - It's Thursday, I have to haul village to give gifts to. 914 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,600 (laughing) 915 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,640 - It's gonna be her birthday tomorrow. 916 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,480 How freaking dare you? 917 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:46,320 - I dare you. 918 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,520 - I leap for George. 919 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,080 (laughing) 920 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,680 (upbeat music) 921 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,960 - All right, Russell, what's an idea 922 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,920 that you would love to do, but just don't have time for? 923 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:03,400 - All right, everybody, we got a love corner idea today. 924 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,320 (cheering) 925 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,160 - Cue the music. 926 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:13,000 - So, all right, this idea takes actually all the success 927 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,800 that there is on dating shows. 928 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,200 So originally, this is an idea of the success 929 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,800 of "The Bachelor," wife and her friends 930 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,760 all watch "The Bachelorette." 931 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,320 Everybody is brainwashed on that show to trust the process. 932 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,080 I love the process, it makes sense. 933 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,760 I Google the data, it turns out that the success 934 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,080 of these "Bachelor" and "Bachelorette" shows, 935 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,600 it's not that great. 936 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,560 But I think there are-- 937 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,680 - So we need to make use of that and make an effort. 938 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,160 - Yes, right, but I think there's a lot of magic 939 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,960 when it comes to some of these shows, right? 940 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,040 So maybe not "The Bachelor," well, maybe "The Bachelor." 941 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,800 We create a bunch of dating apps based 942 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,160 on your favorite dating shows. 943 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,240 And so now you can have the experience 944 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:06,600 of being on "Love is Blind," or be on these other 945 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,600 dating shows through virtual dating, right? 946 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,000 So it just creates a little different of experience. 947 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,040 You can cater it a little bit, you can be a little bit of, 948 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,480 it's a service, so you kind of have to curate 949 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,280 some of the dating profiles. 950 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,520 You actually create more of a, you're finding profiles, 951 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,200 you're matching them together. 952 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,240 There's a ton of different dating shows 953 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:32,480 that you can kind of take the concept, apply it, 954 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,960 and now you have the app version 955 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,960 or the service version of that. 956 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,180 So yeah, it's not online, it's kind of like online dating, 957 00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:42,400 but it's like there's somebody kind of masterminding 958 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,080 behind the scenes, the matchmaking component. 959 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,400 They're receiving all the applications, 960 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,720 setting up the experience. 961 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,160 - Oh, I get what you're saying now. 962 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,200 - Yeah. 963 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,960 - You've got a producer role. 964 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,160 - Yes, so you're actually facilitating these connections. 965 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,760 You're kind of creating like a digital online course 966 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,360 experience almost with like- 967 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,640 - Do you think this is like a paid position? 968 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,440 Like the app brings forward these people, 969 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,840 or is this like a Reddit mod where they're just like, 970 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,960 "Oh, hell yeah, I'll volunteer to be the MC 971 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,080 of random strangers trying to date across the country." 972 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,360 - Can't go poorly at all. 973 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,200 - It does sound fun. 974 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,800 - No, I think this is like truly like a service 975 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,520 that you kind of pay a bit of money for. 976 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,640 Like it's a thousand bucks, let's say for you. 977 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,680 And then you get 16 people 978 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,520 and you run maybe two or three cohorts a year 979 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,440 and maybe 30, right? 980 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,320 Now you're making a pretty good amount of money 981 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,220 to be a matchmaker once every three months. 982 00:36:44,220 --> 00:36:46,620 You can record it, you can create all these different 983 00:36:46,620 --> 00:36:49,360 like content narratives off of it as well. 984 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,320 And now you have like unlimited amateur content 985 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,320 of dating matchmaking, which feels more authentic 986 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,760 and competes with these high produced dating shows. 987 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,000 It's like genuine. 988 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,840 And then, you know, for a thousand bucks, 989 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,280 like, "Oh, I'll contribute to my friend 990 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,120 to be on this show," right? 991 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,240 Or submit an application or whatever, 992 00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:12,600 you can help make that win. 993 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,120 So you might receive a lot of applicants 994 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,260 that you have to like filter down every quarter and stuff. 995 00:37:17,260 --> 00:37:18,740 I think that's gonna be the trouble. 996 00:37:18,740 --> 00:37:22,780 But yeah, basically it's creating a virtual cohort 997 00:37:22,780 --> 00:37:25,980 experience that you see from your online dating shows. 998 00:37:25,980 --> 00:37:27,740 - And the whole thing takes place in the app. 999 00:37:27,740 --> 00:37:29,780 There's not another place to engage with it, right? 1000 00:37:29,780 --> 00:37:31,500 - So yeah, I was thinking about it more. 1001 00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:34,740 It's like you have the app, a phone app maybe, 1002 00:37:34,740 --> 00:37:37,100 but might be more like custom 1003 00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:39,080 depending on what the needs of the show are. 1004 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,540 Like "Love is Blind," you could do virtually. 1005 00:37:42,540 --> 00:37:44,520 It's a vert like that whole show, 1006 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,680 the concept of the show for the viewers 1007 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,000 that haven't seen the show is basically 1008 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,640 you have a bunch of empty rooms 1009 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,720 and guys are on one side and girls on the other. 1010 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,520 And you basically just walk into a room 1011 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,280 and on the other side of a wall 1012 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,640 is another person that you talk to. 1013 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,680 You can't see them at all, 1014 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,200 but it's just like a see-through, 1015 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,080 like a sound pass through a wall. 1016 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,080 So you're basically, 1017 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,040 the show is you watching people talk to a wall. 1018 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,520 Like one, this person talked to a wall, 1019 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,060 this person talked to a wall, 1020 00:38:13,060 --> 00:38:13,900 and you're just like, 1021 00:38:13,900 --> 00:38:15,540 "Oh, they're gonna be such a great match," 1022 00:38:15,540 --> 00:38:16,680 or whatever, right? 1023 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,980 And you're like, "Just throw up Zoom, 1024 00:38:18,980 --> 00:38:21,080 just like do this virtually." 1025 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,660 And now you have the exact same experience, 1026 00:38:23,660 --> 00:38:27,400 but then at the end of the six weeks, 1027 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,140 you fly them in together 1028 00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:31,580 and now they're meeting in real life 1029 00:38:31,580 --> 00:38:33,180 and you can create content off of that, 1030 00:38:33,180 --> 00:38:35,140 or people are gonna drop off. 1031 00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:35,980 There might be some, 1032 00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:39,060 you cut some people that are not great content. 1033 00:38:39,060 --> 00:38:41,100 I don't know, you can do a lot with it, right? 1034 00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:44,100 It doesn't have to be a full TV show experience, right? 1035 00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:46,680 To help cut the costs of running 1036 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,500 and producing this virtual experience. 1037 00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:50,060 But yeah, it's, 1038 00:38:50,060 --> 00:38:51,860 whether it's "The Bachelor," "Love is Blind," 1039 00:38:51,860 --> 00:38:53,740 or any of these other shows that are really popular, 1040 00:38:53,740 --> 00:38:55,180 you capitalize on that 1041 00:38:55,180 --> 00:38:56,840 and create the experience for, 1042 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:57,680 'cause everybody's like, 1043 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,580 "Oh, I'm gonna put you on 'The Bachelor,' 1044 00:38:59,580 --> 00:39:01,140 I'm gonna put you on 'The Bachelorette,'" right? 1045 00:39:01,140 --> 00:39:02,660 That's what people want. 1046 00:39:02,660 --> 00:39:03,900 So why not do that? 1047 00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:04,940 So this is, yeah, 1048 00:39:04,940 --> 00:39:07,340 this is more of the catered experience. 1049 00:39:07,340 --> 00:39:08,540 There is other ways to do it. 1050 00:39:08,540 --> 00:39:10,020 Like you could create the app version 1051 00:39:10,020 --> 00:39:11,780 that makes things happen really quickly, 1052 00:39:11,780 --> 00:39:13,540 but I don't know if that's gonna be as successful. 1053 00:39:13,540 --> 00:39:18,020 So I like this matchmaker behind the scene. 1054 00:39:18,020 --> 00:39:20,100 So that's kind of it. 1055 00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:21,500 - Is the matchmaker behind the scenes 1056 00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:26,500 making a viewable experience for the general public? 1057 00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:29,300 Like are people firing up your app 1058 00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:32,180 to watch the 16 people in the cohort? 1059 00:39:32,180 --> 00:39:34,460 Or is this an experience just for the people who are on it? 1060 00:39:34,460 --> 00:39:35,420 - I don't know yet. 1061 00:39:35,420 --> 00:39:37,800 I think it's like, 1062 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,800 the service itself can be spun into greater accolades. 1063 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:43,940 We'll say of, 1064 00:39:43,940 --> 00:39:46,540 you can just be a guy that makes a thousand bucks 1065 00:39:46,540 --> 00:39:48,220 per applicant. 1066 00:39:48,220 --> 00:39:52,220 You create the experience of like 'The Bachelor,' right? 1067 00:39:52,220 --> 00:39:53,660 You find a bachelor, 1068 00:39:53,660 --> 00:39:57,020 you find 30 eligible bachelorettes, 1069 00:39:57,020 --> 00:40:00,980 and you're just having them maybe fight over each other, 1070 00:40:00,980 --> 00:40:03,320 either digitally, right? 1071 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,380 Or, I don't know what it's like to be on that, 1072 00:40:06,380 --> 00:40:08,960 like a producer of that show, right? 1073 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,040 But I think that you can create a similar experience, 1074 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,240 and it doesn't have to be once a season, right? 1075 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:18,140 - The reason I ask, 1076 00:40:18,140 --> 00:40:19,960 so you could have a lot of concurrent going at once. 1077 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,160 That's so true. 1078 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,740 I ask because I remember, 1079 00:40:22,740 --> 00:40:25,180 I think this is the second time in a row I've mentioned this, 1080 00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:27,140 but do you remember how much of a craze it was 1081 00:40:27,140 --> 00:40:28,200 to have HQ Trivia, 1082 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,360 the whole world watching something on their phone at once? 1083 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,520 You might be able to turn this into like a thing 1084 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,800 that the world is engaged with, you know? 1085 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,800 - Oh, that'd be cool. - That'd be cool. 1086 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,960 - A viral internet version. - It's all digital, yeah. 1087 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,140 - Not Netflix or something. 1088 00:40:40,140 --> 00:40:40,980 - Right. 1089 00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:42,080 And it's in real time. 1090 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,800 - Different ones for different cities. 1091 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,060 This is the Houston one. 1092 00:40:45,060 --> 00:40:46,420 This is the Detroit one. 1093 00:40:46,420 --> 00:40:47,640 This is, and all of a sudden, 1094 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,680 the San Francisco one really blows up 1095 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,640 'cause of some crazy drama, 1096 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,980 and people really focus in on that particular one. 1097 00:40:54,980 --> 00:40:55,820 - Yes. 1098 00:40:55,820 --> 00:40:57,820 - Yeah. - That, yeah. 1099 00:40:57,820 --> 00:41:00,200 Why does it have to be a televised experience? 1100 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,240 You know, these giant, these, 1101 00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:06,080 you could localize it and actually make it real, right? 1102 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,920 - Just have TikTok clips of the best parts 1103 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,080 of it going through. 1104 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,120 - Right. - Yeah. 1105 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,600 - What if you added a twist? 1106 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,840 You guys ever seen the Naked Attraction Show? 1107 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,280 - Oh, yeah, yeah. 1108 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,200 - Basically, they start with like a, 1109 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,880 you see a prospective partner's feet, 1110 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,400 and then you like eliminate someone based upon their feet, 1111 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,360 and then the next round, they like move up above their knees 1112 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,760 and salute. (laughing) 1113 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,240 - You could create that experience, right? 1114 00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:38,800 This is a real show, guys. 1115 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:39,640 Like, literally, it's just like- 1116 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,840 - It's so ridiculous. 1117 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,120 - You could rip off all kinds of formats. 1118 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,680 If you get the audience engaged, 1119 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,280 you could make dating shows. 1120 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,280 You could make actual game shows. 1121 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,320 You could make all kinds of like formats, right? 1122 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,240 - Yes. 1123 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:55,080 I guess like that's what's kind of cool. 1124 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,360 You could create, I think, 1125 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,960 the televised dating show experiences are hot, 1126 00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:02,040 like heavily edited, 1127 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,880 and I guess maybe it's because there's a lot of boring 1128 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,200 content behind the scenes, 1129 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,120 but like, this is like, 1130 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,560 I think it'd be fun to watch a local, 1131 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,560 my local group of the dating show things go live. 1132 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:18,960 - Totally. 1133 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,600 Our generation and older 1134 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,720 enjoyed the highly produced television, 1135 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:24,640 but I think the generations younger than us 1136 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,840 enjoy the authenticity of something being like real time. 1137 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,560 It's not, you know, super well produced. 1138 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,320 It's got some hokiness to it. 1139 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,520 It's a little bit more direct person to person. 1140 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:36,480 You could still have a producer 1141 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,880 kind of setting it up and stuff, 1142 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,920 but if you just get an interesting story going 1143 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,800 and you turn the cameras 1144 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,080 that everyone already has in their pockets on each other, 1145 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,440 yeah, you could make something cool. 1146 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:47,280 - Yeah, you know, 1147 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,000 and I think if I thought about this more, 1148 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,640 you could create like, 1149 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,800 like how do you create this more like passively? 1150 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,800 So let's say you create a bunch of dating dates, 1151 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,800 you know, and they're just like, 1152 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,400 produce like at the date, 1153 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,640 you have to take out your phone every 15 minutes 1154 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,000 or 20 minutes and do those like, 1155 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,200 I'm on this date, things are going well, blah, 1156 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,240 you know, and you close the phone. 1157 00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:17,600 Yeah, like those side, 1158 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,840 and then all of a sudden you're just slowly revealing 1159 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,840 this like dramatic story, like in some way. 1160 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,520 - I didn't like that she ordered 1161 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,320 the most expensive appetizer, like. 1162 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,800 - I can hear you, you're talking at your phone 1163 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:30,840 right in front of me. 1164 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,080 - You're singing to the bathroom. 1165 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,080 - Yeah, you gotta go away or something, right? 1166 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,440 But you keep going to the bathroom every 15 minutes, 1167 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,720 are you feeling okay? 1168 00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:42,400 - Well, they both do, right? 1169 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,880 They're probably both because they're both on the show. 1170 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,800 - I wonder if you could just hire a friend at this point 1171 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,120 or just ask a friend to be like, 1172 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,200 hey, can you just kind of like monitor my date 1173 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,440 and live tweet it or whatever to this app? 1174 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,960 - Yeah, I know, I think it'd be fun to just like, 1175 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,840 have my wife's friends as everybody knows, 1176 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,920 just be able and eligible. 1177 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,520 I could submit them into the app, 1178 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,680 help curate their application, get them on the show. 1179 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:13,080 And now I get to watch them compete on this dating show. 1180 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,160 Oh, it'd be so fun to just help them do that. 1181 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,880 - I think you'd be a good producer too. 1182 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,200 Take him in the applications, decide who gets to be on. 1183 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,120 - Yeah, he's invented Russell's Love Corner. 1184 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,720 Of course he would. 1185 00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:26,400 - The Russell's Love Corner. 1186 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,440 - You know, when a bachelor contacts me, 1187 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,040 or love is blind or Netflix will make it happen. 1188 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,760 They need content. - This is fun. 1189 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:36,600 I like this a lot. 1190 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,760 - Do you guys watch dating shows at all? 1191 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:39,840 Or like your wives do? 1192 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,720 - My wife does. 1193 00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:44,240 There's lots of friends that she has 1194 00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:46,160 that would be very into this idea 1195 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,120 and would love to participate in it. 1196 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,200 - Is that right? 1197 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,320 - See, we need a lady on to, 1198 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,560 we'll have to do this again when we get a girl guest. 1199 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,960 'Cause I am curious what they're thinking. 1200 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,000 - Ladies, please DM us. 1201 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,800 Please, please talk to us ladies. 1202 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,200 - We're so many dudes. 1203 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,440 If you like what our content says, give us a like. 1204 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,040 But yeah, that's, I gotta name it though. 1205 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,160 What should we name it? 1206 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,520 - Right, you gotta name it. 1207 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,840 - What's like a variation of like Big Brother, right? 1208 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:19,680 Where the camera's kind of like-- 1209 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:20,600 - Oh, this is the classics. 1210 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,080 Love is blind, naked and afraid. 1211 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,280 - It's not naked and afraid. 1212 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,360 - Naked and interested. 1213 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,200 - That's a different thing. 1214 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,040 - Naked and aroused. 1215 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,400 - That's a terrible horror. 1216 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,440 (laughing) 1217 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:32,760 - Naked and interested. 1218 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:33,600 - Naked and intrigued. 1219 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:34,440 - Naked and aroused. 1220 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:35,280 - Yeah, that's good. 1221 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,520 - Naked and intrigued. 1222 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,520 - Yeah, why don't you submit your names for the show, guys? 1223 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:50,200 Ryan, I'd love for you to introduce yourself a little bit, 1224 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,320 but Ryan's here, he is our guest. 1225 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,320 He's got a PhD in something and loves spiders. 1226 00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,320 - Close enough. 1227 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,560 (laughing) 1228 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:06,640 - Nailed it. 1229 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,120 It's like we've been friends for years now. 1230 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,440 I know him so well. 1231 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,600 - Almost PhD in something and loves spiders. 1232 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,840 - Yeah, to kind of undo that. 1233 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,080 (laughing) 1234 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:22,320 I will hopefully, but yes, 1235 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,880 we have an online PhD award program. 1236 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,680 (laughing) 1237 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,200 Just give me your social security number 1238 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,000 and we'll send you a doctorate. 1239 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,640 Anywho, I guess with some background, 1240 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:40,600 I'm a PhD candidate in University of Colorado, 1241 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,680 Denver campus, and I do my research 1242 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,880 at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. 1243 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,800 I'm an arachnologist, which means I study arachnids. 1244 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,840 Most people think of arachnids, spiders, scorpions, 1245 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,480 things with eight legs, two main body parts. 1246 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,440 And so I spend a lot of time looking at 1247 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,320 what people would call creepy crawlies. 1248 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,760 And so this idea is mostly self-serving, 1249 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,680 but also is public service. 1250 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,680 That's because-- 1251 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,680 - I was so hoping you'd do an idea related to this, okay. 1252 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:15,680 - I engage a lot with the people around brown recluses. 1253 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,920 So brown recluses are a spider 1254 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,040 that live in the Southeast United States, 1255 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:26,040 and they have a venom that can cause dermonecronic lesions. 1256 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,440 A lot of people will just find a random spider 1257 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,960 in their home and be like, "Oh my God, 1258 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,640 "this is a brown recluse that bit my child, 1259 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,200 "that bit my dog, we're gonna die." 1260 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,960 And really that's not the case. 1261 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,840 So the idea is an app that basically tells you, 1262 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,520 brown recluse, no brown recluse. 1263 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,560 (all laughing) 1264 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,960 - It's like the hot dog, no hot dog thing. 1265 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,960 - Yes, yes, you are a third person who said that to me. 1266 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,240 Yeah, so yes, folks who have watched Silicon Valley 1267 00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:01,440 will recognize a certain episode where hot dog, no hot dog, 1268 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,360 but it's brown recluse, no recluse. 1269 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,200 - That rules. 1270 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:12,200 - So this stems from, I do a lot of public outreach 1271 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,440 as being a part of a natural history museum, 1272 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,920 which does public education. 1273 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,360 And usually, when we do events, someone will be like, 1274 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:24,640 at least multiple people will be like, 1275 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,920 "My cousin's uncle's roommate from college, 1276 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,480 "their barber once knew a guy who lost a limb 1277 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,200 "from a brown recluse bite." 1278 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,480 And it's like, okay, well, where do you come from that 1279 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,120 as a, from a scientific perspective? 1280 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,920 The vast majority of brown recluse bites 1281 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,960 are not at all like the media portrays them to be, 1282 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,200 like where these huge lesions and you lose limbs. 1283 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,640 So the idea for this app would be like, 1284 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,840 it uses machine learning for image recognition, right? 1285 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,600 It'll basically tell you, 1286 00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,280 you take a photo of whatever spider, 1287 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,440 as long as it's sufficient resolution, 1288 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,720 like it'll assign some type of certainty, recluse, no. 1289 00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:07,400 (laughing) 1290 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,480 - There's a 46% chance that this is not a brown. 1291 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,000 - So I envisioned this to be pretty accurate 1292 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,480 in saying this is not a recluse, 1293 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,480 but then when it comes to actually saying 1294 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:18,760 this could be a recluse, 1295 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,640 that's where it gets a little bit wishy-washy 1296 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,200 because there are multiple spiders 1297 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,960 that on the surface look like a brown recluse 1298 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,320 and you have to get a really good up-close photo 1299 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,360 in order to like positively ID the recluse itself. 1300 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,640 But this technology is already being used 1301 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,840 in the conservation biology across the world. 1302 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,280 There's multiple papers that say, 1303 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,640 we put out like a type of trap 1304 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,920 that collects like insects, spiders, other arthropods, 1305 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,440 those are creatures with exoskeletons and jointed legs. 1306 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,760 And then you put those critters that you collect 1307 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,040 after some months of putting out a trap 1308 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,840 under like a high definition photography device, microscope. 1309 00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,680 And the algorithm would say, this is some type of beetle, 1310 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,200 this is some type of fly, right? 1311 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,480 This is some type of spider. 1312 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,240 And so they use this to try to see 1313 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:07,760 are there species that are non-native to New Zealand, 1314 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,320 Canada, whatever coming in 1315 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,720 and somehow ending up in our natural environment. 1316 00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:13,880 So the technology exists to do this. 1317 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,240 It just would require a large training data set to say, 1318 00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:20,560 the spider, long-legged, brown, 1319 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,200 has a violin pattern on its back. 1320 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,120 And the most important characteristic in this case 1321 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,720 is that it has three sets of two eyes 1322 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:32,240 on like a same lateral plane on its head. 1323 00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:33,440 - Yeah. 1324 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,200 So what I envision is like the first question is like, 1325 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,280 do you live in the Southeast United States? 1326 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,680 And if the answer is no, then you're like, okay, 1327 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:43,520 you're probably not gonna lose. 1328 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,840 - You can literally put a GPS on there 1329 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,880 and be like, where are you right now? 1330 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,120 - I don't wanna be evil here, 1331 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,440 but like you could say we require location data 1332 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,040 for you to use this app. 1333 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,080 And then sell that data to Google or something. 1334 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:57,640 That would be the evil route. 1335 00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,280 Alternatively, you say, do you live in Alabama, 1336 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,040 Mississippi, Florida, Texas, whatever. 1337 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,560 And then if the answer is no, then say, okay, 1338 00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,480 you're probably not dealing with a recluse. 1339 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,720 That being said, recluses do hitchhike quite a bit, 1340 00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:11,960 but they don't establish permanent like- 1341 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,000 - Hitchhike? 1342 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,080 - So they'll like get in someone's clothing, 1343 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,440 they'll get in like a luggage, 1344 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,880 they'll just ride along and maybe they'll end up, 1345 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:22,800 you guys are from Michigan, 1346 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,520 so you'll see like a story every year, 1347 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,280 like brown recluse spotted in so-and-so. 1348 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,680 They're not natively from Michigan. 1349 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,960 Same here in Colorado, like we hear all the time, 1350 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,680 brown recluses are Colorado, they don't natively live here. 1351 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,840 It's too high elevation, too cold, 1352 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,840 like the weather patterns are too drastic. 1353 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,000 So they're only native to like the Southeast United States. 1354 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,360 And so a lot of people will just like, 1355 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:45,840 I see this especially on Reddit, 1356 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,760 like there's this whole spider subreddit 1357 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:48,880 and people are like- - Of course there is. 1358 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,240 - Here's this black spider, is it a brown recluse? 1359 00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:54,240 Like, oh yeah, I think you didn't check the dots 1360 00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:56,840 quite well enough there, like, you know, 1361 00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:01,480 or this one's clearly green, is a brown recluse, you know. 1362 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,200 And I often get like photos, like this is three pixels, 1363 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,280 I can't even tell how many legs this thing has, 1364 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,240 what species is it, type of thing, like, I don't know. 1365 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,120 - The app could guide you on getting, you know, 1366 00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,240 zoomed in enough and what angle you need to see the eyes 1367 00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:18,080 and all that, yeah. 1368 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,560 - Well, that's the major hole, 1369 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,720 is that people probably aren't gonna be comfortable enough 1370 00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:24,280 to like get a nice closeup photo, 1371 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,840 but it could probably say, you know, 1372 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,840 if it's not, doesn't fit these characteristics, 1373 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,280 then it's probably a brown recluse 1374 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,120 and you don't need to worry 1375 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,080 if it's around your child or your pet, something like that. 1376 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,360 - Kill it, like just kill it. 1377 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,880 - I don't endorse killing of the animals. 1378 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,800 - I forgot we have the-- 1379 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,040 - I don't remember who you're talking to. 1380 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,920 - The spider lover on the call. 1381 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,480 - If they're cold outside, bring them inside. 1382 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,240 (laughing) 1383 00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:49,160 - Give them a home. 1384 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,360 Why don't you, I mean, like you could create 1385 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,240 like a confidence level, like a percentage of, 1386 00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:56,200 scale one on a hundred, right, you add that feature 1387 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,080 instead of it being so binary, right? 1388 00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:59,960 You can be like, we're 80% sure 1389 00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:02,240 this is a brown recluse 'cause you meet, 1390 00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:05,160 it's brown, it's got eight legs and eyes. 1391 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,440 I don't know, like it doesn't have wings. 1392 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:08,600 I don't know, it's like. 1393 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,520 (laughing) 1394 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:11,800 - Yes, not a hot dog. 1395 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,240 - Yes, it's not a hot dog. 1396 00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:17,200 - I love this as an idea for like an awareness 1397 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,400 or like raising awareness for different things 1398 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,680 or just using this, that idea of an app, 1399 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:26,160 like is this some binary thing, yes or no? 1400 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,760 And then using that moving forward. 1401 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,520 - So the other is that, and then maybe you can expand 1402 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,320 to like black widows as the only other real spider 1403 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,680 of medical concern in the United States or Canada. 1404 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,400 Like black widows are pretty recognizable though. 1405 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:41,240 - Oh yeah. 1406 00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:43,960 - But if you wanna reach worldwide, right, 1407 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,440 like you'd basically have to try to, 1408 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,880 it would take gobs of data to basically 1409 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,760 have an image recognized. 1410 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,520 Brown recluse is the relatives, any widow, 1411 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,680 the relatives, and then anything else, right? 1412 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,360 There's like, I can't remember the last time I looked, 1413 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,680 but there's like 50, 51,000 species of spider out there. 1414 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:05,520 - Geez. 1415 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,560 - And like a fraction of 1% is something 1416 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:12,760 that is potentially harmful to you or a pet or a child. 1417 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:13,600 - Oh wow. 1418 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,480 - Good, that's how it should be. 1419 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,640 - This is the kind of public service we do on this show. 1420 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,120 (laughing) 1421 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,000 - Yes, so this helps me 'cause I don't have 1422 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,280 to potentially answer, like I don't have to look 1423 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:26,800 at these photos. 1424 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,680 They're taken from like a football field away 1425 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,480 and they're like, let's see this thing ripped off 1426 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,760 my cousin's leg. 1427 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,160 What is it? 1428 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,920 And I have to be like, I couldn't tell you, man. 1429 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,600 People don't know, but separating species of spider 1430 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,400 has to do with, you have to look under a microscope 1431 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,080 and it's a dissect like their genitalia. 1432 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,200 - Oh damn. 1433 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,360 - That's the way you do it. 1434 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,000 Yeah, it's involved. 1435 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,120 You can't just take a picture and be like, 1436 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:54,960 I know what this is. 1437 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:55,800 - Wow. 1438 00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:56,640 - For the most part. 1439 00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,440 - I think this would be cool to like add to museums 1440 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,280 and spread awareness like about this stuff. 1441 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,720 Like I can see this being like, you know, 1442 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:11,720 rebranded a bunch of ways like learn more about spiders. 1443 00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:15,600 I call them spiders, so that's just how I call them. 1444 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,920 Arachnids, download this app, right? 1445 00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,720 And now you're just scanning a bunch of different, 1446 00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:23,680 sure you didn't get the brown recluse, 1447 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,480 but here's what it probably, 1448 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,280 here's like five other things it could be, right? 1449 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,000 And now people are like maybe able to see this 1450 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,640 and like compare, oh, this is the brown recluse 1451 00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,380 and here's four other images that are kind of close, 1452 00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:38,220 but aren't it. 1453 00:55:38,220 --> 00:55:40,280 And so they can now say, oh, does it have 1454 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,880 that black spotted feature on the back 1455 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,560 or does it have this bulb? 1456 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,520 And now you're, I guess like teaching them about spiders 1457 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,080 without actually doing much. 1458 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,200 They're like trying to make sure that this is a safe spider. 1459 00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,580 And all of a sudden they're like learning about, 1460 00:55:54,580 --> 00:55:57,840 oh, this is normal or it actually is pretty nice 1461 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,800 of a spider for some, like whatever that may, 1462 00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:01,640 if that makes sense, but like. 1463 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,160 - It eats a lot of mosquitoes, you want it around. 1464 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,560 - Yeah, exactly, right? 1465 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:10,000 Like spiders provide a lot of like ecosystem benefits 1466 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,740 for humans, they eat like over 200,000 tons of insect, 1467 00:56:14,740 --> 00:56:16,280 like biomatter, right? 1468 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:21,040 So that's that many less insects in your face, in your home. 1469 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,160 Yeah, they're spiders. 1470 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,280 They're doing great things. 1471 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,880 - And I mean, you hit the nail on the head there, Russell. 1472 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:26,720 People just wanna know, 1473 00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:28,260 is this thing harmful to me or not? 1474 00:56:28,260 --> 00:56:31,600 And they don't need to necessarily know what species it is 1475 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,780 or what, you know, brother group it is. 1476 00:56:33,780 --> 00:56:36,600 It just, is this thing gonna cause me to go to the hospital 1477 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:37,440 or whatever? 1478 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:38,660 And that's basically it. 1479 00:56:38,660 --> 00:56:41,200 Vast majority of answers is no. 1480 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,040 - It makes sense. 1481 00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,680 - There's an app I was playing with just recently 1482 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,140 called Picture This, which is a household plant tracker, 1483 00:56:47,140 --> 00:56:48,660 but it blew my mind. 1484 00:56:48,660 --> 00:56:52,460 You hold up your phone's camera to any plant in your house 1485 00:56:52,460 --> 00:56:55,720 and it will say with certainty, oh, this is this. 1486 00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:59,120 This is this plant, add it to my shelf, my collection. 1487 00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,960 It'll remind you when you need to water it. 1488 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,520 You take a picture of the leaf and it'll say, 1489 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,000 oh, it looks like you're over watering 1490 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,620 or oh, that's whatever rot. 1491 00:57:05,620 --> 00:57:08,080 You'll wanna find some mildew remover. 1492 00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,000 I don't know, whatever you need to do to kick your plants. 1493 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:10,920 I'm not a plant guy. 1494 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:11,760 - Dude. 1495 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:12,600 - But it does all the stuff. 1496 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:13,800 - This is brilliant. 1497 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:14,640 - This kind of thing exists. 1498 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,240 - Because we should adapt this for the spider. 1499 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:17,080 - Yeah. 1500 00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:17,900 - Take that spider, 1501 00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:19,920 you put it in a little bit of a terrarium, right? 1502 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,280 You give it a little bit of water, 1503 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,640 give it a cricket once a week and all right, we're done. 1504 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:26,680 Thank you, Leo. 1505 00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:27,600 This is the app. 1506 00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,160 - I was gonna say we're right on the cusp 1507 00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,880 of like the technology to build this 1508 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,560 is not out of reach anymore. 1509 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,520 It doesn't have to just be hot dog or not hot dog. 1510 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,400 It can be what spider is this? 1511 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,360 How, when does it seasonally become more active? 1512 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,860 When, where are good spots in your house 1513 00:57:43,860 --> 00:57:46,200 to let it not disturb you while you're sleeping? 1514 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,480 - Sure. 1515 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,280 What, so if I may inquire, Leo, 1516 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,440 like what, does it give you this app? 1517 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:54,960 If you know, does it give you like a certain, 1518 00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,680 to like this species or does it give it a broad category? 1519 00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:58,520 Like this thing is a-- 1520 00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,120 - No, it was like, this is this specific one here. 1521 00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:02,440 Let me see if I can find it. 1522 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:03,760 I pointed it at it and it said, 1523 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,880 oh, this is the genus and species of this exact plant. 1524 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,040 And it got it right for all eight of Megan's plants 1525 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,880 that I pointed it out immediately with no second guessing. 1526 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:12,720 - Whoa. 1527 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:13,560 - Dude, I've seen this app. 1528 00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,560 It like, it's like a doctor too. 1529 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,440 It diagnosed issues. 1530 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,120 It's beyond just plant identification. 1531 00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,040 It is like, oh, that plant is sick 1532 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,720 and here's how to fix it and why. 1533 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:24,560 It's like-- 1534 00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:25,760 - It is wildly impressive. 1535 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,480 And the only reason I'm not still using it 1536 00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:28,720 is 'cause it was very expensive. 1537 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:29,560 - It's super expensive. 1538 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:30,400 - It was like-- 1539 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:31,400 - It's like 10 bucks a month. 1540 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:32,480 - 50 bucks. 1541 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:33,520 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1542 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,720 - I feel like any farmer or weed grower 1543 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,360 would be really into that. 1544 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,800 - No, that's awesome. 1545 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,720 And it uses that just, you take a photo 1546 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,720 and like how soon does it give you a kind of like estimate 1547 00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:45,560 of what's going on? 1548 00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:46,380 - Immediately, it knew. 1549 00:58:46,380 --> 00:58:47,220 - That's crazy. 1550 00:58:47,220 --> 00:58:48,060 - I know. 1551 00:58:48,060 --> 00:58:49,840 And it'll tell you like, oh, this is a, 1552 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,680 you know, semi-seasonal one. 1553 00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,080 It should be an indirect light. 1554 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:54,240 Consider putting it over here. 1555 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:55,640 It's good in these temperatures. 1556 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,760 This one's toxic to cats, you know, that kind of thing. 1557 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,840 - Oh, that's cool. 1558 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:01,680 I didn't even think about that. 1559 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:02,520 - Yeah. 1560 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:03,840 I was just impressed by how quickly 1561 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,940 and accurately it was able to identify. 1562 00:59:05,940 --> 00:59:08,640 It says on the website more than 10,000 plant species. 1563 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:09,840 This is not a paid endorsement, 1564 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,200 but it seems like we're on the cusp 1565 00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:13,800 of being able to point it at spiders and stuff too 1566 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,320 if they can build something like this. 1567 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,000 - Yeah, I just have to imagine, right, 1568 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,720 the amount of data that those models are trained on 1569 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:24,440 justifies the price tag for tens to hundreds of thousands 1570 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:25,280 of photos. 1571 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:26,640 - We gotta be getting closer though, right? 1572 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,680 I mean, it's not gonna get more expensive 1573 00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,360 and harder to build in the coming years, 1574 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,120 unless by the time you're listening to this, 1575 00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,280 OpenAI lost their lawsuit against New York Times. 1576 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:36,120 - Oh. 1577 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:37,800 - And now AI is illegal 1578 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,800 and nobody's allowed to build anything anymore. 1579 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:40,640 We'll see. 1580 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,160 - Oh boy, yeah. 1581 00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,760 I was thinking like, what if you took some of the plant idea, 1582 00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,960 could you turn like, you said it, I think, Ryan, 1583 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,880 like just catch your spider and give it a cricket 1584 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,280 once a week or once a month, 1585 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:51,960 and now you have like a pet, 1586 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:56,960 like you could turn spider fear into spider fun. 1587 00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,080 - Feel, yeah, yeah. 1588 00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:58,920 Spider fun. 1589 00:59:58,920 --> 00:59:59,760 - Spider fun. 1590 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,120 - Sure. 1591 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:02,560 Spiders do make good pets. 1592 01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,920 They're pretty low maintenance. 1593 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:09,080 Don't expect them to live super long, but. 1594 01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:09,920 - Is that right? 1595 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,960 - Well, the females can live multiple years, 1596 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,160 especially if you have a tarantula, 1597 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:15,160 they can live decades. 1598 01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:16,360 - Wow, this is all in the app. 1599 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:17,200 - You see that? 1600 01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:18,080 That'd be kind of cool to know. 1601 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,320 Like this spider is probably gonna die in like six months, 1602 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:22,600 so you can just leave it alone. 1603 01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,920 Or like, I don't know, like there's an element of like, 1604 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,240 oh, I kill it now, it's only got one month left to live. 1605 01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:28,080 Like, I don't know. 1606 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,200 It's like a fly, right? 1607 01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,600 They have what, their 48 hour lifespans or something? 1608 01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:33,440 Like. 1609 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:34,280 - Yes. 1610 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,240 - Maybe this is too hard of a pivot to even leave in here. 1611 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:37,960 Is there a way you could make a kit, 1612 01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,280 a productized version of pet spider 1613 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,600 where it acts as a bug zapper for you? 1614 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,800 Like put this box in the corner 1615 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,680 and it'll take care of all of your mosquitoes. 1616 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,720 - Oh, you ship someone a spider 1617 01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,920 and you put it in the corner of your house. 1618 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,280 - Maybe it can somehow be like a mesh 1619 01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:56,520 that it can go in or out of, 1620 01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,600 but the spider can't or something. 1621 01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:02,200 - A spider that has silk laced with pheromones 1622 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,960 that are attractive to female mosquitoes. 1623 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,440 Something stupid like that. 1624 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,920 Stupid or genius? 1625 01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,040 - I don't know, that sounds pretty cool actually. 1626 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,040 - Some bug bait that like, 1627 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:14,920 there's flaps where the mosquitoes can get in, 1628 01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:16,880 but it can't crawl out, I don't know. 1629 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:17,800 - Yeah, with like a fan, 1630 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,160 you create like a fan thing or something 1631 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,360 where it's one directional or something. 1632 01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:23,200 - I don't know. 1633 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,800 - If you had the data to back that up, 1634 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,360 to be like one spider box shipment 1635 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,120 could knock out X amount of grams of mosquitoes 1636 01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:32,520 in your yard per year, 1637 01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:33,800 I think people could be into that. 1638 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,480 - Maintenance free pet, it's like a sea monkey. 1639 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,280 - Guarantee some ecologist somewhere has data 1640 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,840 that they could extrapolate into a, 1641 01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:46,840 one poor weeding spider will kill like 30,000 mosquitoes 1642 01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:48,760 in one summer for you or some shit like that. 1643 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:49,600 - That's cool. 1644 01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:50,960 That's what bat boxes do, right? 1645 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,480 Like people buy bat boxes for that. 1646 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:54,320 - Yeah. 1647 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:55,160 - I think that's cool. 1648 01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,240 I think it'd be cool to have a, 1649 01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:58,720 you know, brown recluse or not, 1650 01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,440 but you know, double down on that 1651 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,800 and turn it into a whole spider management app. 1652 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,080 Like I have spiders all over my home 1653 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,920 and you know, I wanna know more about them or whatever. 1654 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,520 - Please cancel my next shipment. 1655 01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,040 - It's like dollar shave club. 1656 01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,080 - I have too many raises. 1657 01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:22,440 I have too many spiders. 1658 01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:27,520 - I mean, no, so that sounds crazy, 1659 01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:31,000 but in reality that's what countries have done 1660 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,080 throughout our history is like, 1661 01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:34,800 oh, we have too many of X, 1662 01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,120 so let's release cane toads. 1663 01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,160 And now Australia has like a cane toad problem 1664 01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,480 or try to leave another analogy. 1665 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:43,960 - Mongooses in Hawaii. 1666 01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,040 - Right, where yes, the hubris of humanity is like, 1667 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:48,960 we can figure this out the biological way 1668 01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,400 and then they just make a new problem. 1669 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:51,240 - Yeah. 1670 01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,040 - Well, so that's the other thing about this 1671 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,720 is that you do, you create basically a data set. 1672 01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,320 You guys have heard iNaturalist? 1673 01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:58,440 - No. 1674 01:02:58,440 --> 01:02:59,280 - Oh, really? 1675 01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:00,480 Okay, so this is a website where basically 1676 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,240 anyone can upload a photo 1677 01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,320 and then community members will try to identify 1678 01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,440 the organism in that photo. 1679 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,360 And it turns into this kind of like 1680 01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,560 identification by consensus type of thing. 1681 01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:13,400 - Nice. 1682 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,320 - It turns into like a data set of some limited utility 1683 01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,160 'cause you can't necessarily trust 1684 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,360 the public's identification of things, 1685 01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:22,960 especially if you have to look under a microscope, 1686 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,920 but like this app could be another source of data 1687 01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:31,000 of like what's in a home in the month of May. 1688 01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,080 What kind of splitter, potential data source? 1689 01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:34,960 - That'd be cool. 1690 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,520 I think like tracking, like, I don't know, 1691 01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:41,280 like it just seems like such a small insignificant part 1692 01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:42,600 of what I think about. 1693 01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,760 But if I were to look at it, like with this app, 1694 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,160 it makes me kind of consider what the heck is this? 1695 01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,080 You know, I just feel like it's a nuisance. 1696 01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,680 I immediately put it in the chore category 1697 01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,720 when I could be thinking about this, 1698 01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,200 like maybe a little differently. 1699 01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,600 Like if I had a little piece of technology 1700 01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,120 to like help me understand what it is, 1701 01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:07,120 I wouldn't immediately go into kill mode, you know, like. 1702 01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:08,760 - Yeah, sure. 1703 01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,360 Ultimately goal, like is this thing harmful? 1704 01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:12,200 - Right. 1705 01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:13,520 - Like, can I let it be, 1706 01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,640 or do I need to get the hell out of here? 1707 01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,160 - But I want to catch them now. 1708 01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,680 Like I want to catch them like little spider Pokemon, 1709 01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,360 and now I have my Pokey spider decks, 1710 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,560 and now I can catch them all, Ryan. 1711 01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,560 - That's how we gamify it. - A spider Pokedex. 1712 01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:30,520 - Gamify it by having you try to take 1713 01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,080 as many pictures as possible. 1714 01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,360 And the more you take a picture of, 1715 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:35,880 it's like birdwatching, but better. 1716 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,160 - Why hasn't anyone made a Pokedex for birdwatching? 1717 01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:40,680 That's freaking great. 1718 01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,520 - They call that a Autobahn bird list. 1719 01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,120 It's the worst experience ever, unless you're a bird. 1720 01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:47,600 (laughing) 1721 01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,000 - What if you did that for all animals? 1722 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:50,160 What if you created like a Pokedex 1723 01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,680 for like just like the whole kingdom of the animals? 1724 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:54,520 - Yeah. 1725 01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:55,360 - Gotta snap 'em all. 1726 01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,680 - Collecting all several millions. 1727 01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:58,640 - To several million. 1728 01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,280 Dude, it ain't easy. 1729 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:01,120 - Yeah, that's a understatement. 1730 01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,120 - It ain't easy filling your Pokedex, you know, 1731 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,680 to be a animal master. 1732 01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:06,760 Start with spiders. 1733 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,120 (laughing) 1734 01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:09,040 - Start with spiders. 1735 01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:09,920 We'll grow from there. 1736 01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:10,760 That's version two. 1737 01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:11,600 - Yeah. 1738 01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:12,440 - Ryan, that's a really good idea. 1739 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:13,440 - I'm glad you think so. 1740 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,040 - Yeah, I would download it, 1741 01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:16,960 or at least go to the web app version 1742 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,760 when my leg is feeling tingly and I'm psyching myself out. 1743 01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,160 - I would frantically download it 1744 01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,160 when I see a large brown spider in my house. 1745 01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,920 - You're the target audience, right? 1746 01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,160 Like, oh God, is this thing about to kill me or what? 1747 01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:30,000 - Right. 1748 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,040 Ignorant civilians like us. 1749 01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:33,440 Thank you very much for listening. 1750 01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:34,600 Hope you enjoyed yourself this evening, 1751 01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,240 and thank you for being here, Ryan. 1752 01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:37,080 That was fun. 1753 01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:37,920 - Thank you. 1754 01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,320 - Our website is Spitball.show. 1755 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,160 There you can find links to YouTube channels, 1756 01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,120 social media, all that stuff. 1757 01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:45,880 Email us, please, like Sean did 1758 01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:47,280 at the beginning of this episode. 1759 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,320 Comments, ideas, anything that this provoked in you. 1760 01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,240 Are you building a Pokedex for the entire animal kingdom? 1761 01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:54,320 We'd love to hear about it. 1762 01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,000 Podcast@Spitball.show. 1763 01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:57,760 That's also how you can follow us on the Fediverse, 1764 01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,800 which is Mastodon, maybe Instagram threads sometime soon. 1765 01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,600 Podcast@Spitball.show. 1766 01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,600 Our subreddit is r/spitballshow. 1767 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,400 Our intro/outro music is "Swingers" by Bonkers Beat Club. 1768 01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,680 Please, if you haven't yet, subscribe, add, 1769 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,680 whatever your podcast app lets you do to follow this show. 1770 01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,760 But more importantly, if you wouldn't mind, 1771 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,960 a five-star review goes a long way on Spotify 1772 01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:19,080 or Apple Podcasts. 1773 01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:20,520 That's how people can find the show. 1774 01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,800 So please review us wherever you get your podcasts. 1775 01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,040 New episode is out in two weeks. 1776 01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:27,080 We will see you then. 1777 01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,660 (upbeat music) 1778 01:06:29,660 --> 01:06:31,660 [�פ벤더면 저런 놈이여....]