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I'm Scott, I'm Russell, and I'm Leo.

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This is Spitball.

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Welcome to Spitball, the Pitchin' Kitchen, where three gadget gurus empty

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our heads of startup and tech product ideas that we have stuck up in there.

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So you can all have them for free.

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Anything that we say is yours to keep.

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And this week I brought our guests.

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Uh, this week we have, uh, my friend, my colleague, former intern, but not.

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He left us for another department.

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Please welcome my friend, Sander.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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Happy to be here.

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Applause.

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Thunderous.

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This is going to be a lot of fun.

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And this week, not only do we have a fourth guest, but we have a fifth as well.

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Um, we do.

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I, a new friend of the show, Ruben Rabasa, who you may know from, I think

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you should leave, uh, the sketch where the weird steering wheel don't

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fly off and go out the window.

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Uh, he has his own idea that we're going to be discussing

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today for a tech product.

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Are you serious?

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So let's give that a listen and then we will discuss.

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I'm serious.

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It's about time.

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That's amazing.

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Many celebrities are submitting their ideas.

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This is the first of many.

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Hello, Scott.

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Hello, Russell.

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Hello, Leo.

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It is me, the man with great ideas and your friend, Ruben Rabasa.

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First of all, I love the name and the idea of your podcast.

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And trust me, I know a good idea when I hear one.

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I have a couple of ideas for an app.

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I think there should be an app where two or more friends can listen to the

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music at the same time in their headphones.

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And maybe even be able to talk between themselves.

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Oh, wow.

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That sounds good.

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And I also think there should be an app to make Paul shut up.

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Oh my God.

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I hope that none of you is steering will fly off the

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window while you're driving.

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Okay.

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So bye now.

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And please, please don't ever, ever forget about me.

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I love you.

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All of you.

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Bye now.

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So thank you for your message, Ruben.

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That was delightful.

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So we, uh, I did a little bit of research.

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There isn't really like a, of standalone app that does this, right?

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So you, you have two or more people who are synchronized listening and maybe

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even discussing at the same time.

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Apple's FaceTime does have what they call share play now, where you can be on a

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FaceTime call and like start up Netflix and it syncs up or start up Spotify.

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I don't know if Spotify has support for that yet, but that could be an option.

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But other than that, a lot of these are like a desktop app where you're all

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taking turns, adding something to the queue or like your group message, managing

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a queue of like a device in a room or something.

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I don't know about like discord, but for this, there was a discord app that did

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this until it got shut down by someone.

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I can't remember what it's called, but I know I used it where you can be in the

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discord call and you can add things to the queue and you all had to have the

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same, you know, it was a bot, I think.

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And it would pretend to be a user that would like pop into the voice channel.

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And they were always a little bit hacky playing from YouTube or whatever.

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I use those too.

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Dude, this is like silent disco mode.

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So like you can just turn it on and everybody in the room can listen to the

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same stuff.

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That'd be dope.

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It is crazy that silent discos.

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So, uh, Hope College where we work still has one every once in a while, which is

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fun, but they use like giant headphones and radio FM transmitters and stuff.

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It does seem like something that should be dragged to the modern age where anyone

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can just kind of do it.

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It's just, what do you, I don't even know how hard, this doesn't seem like a hard

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thing to do.

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It's just like Chromecast, but you send out the link to everybody at the same time.

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Spotify even has a group like jam management system.

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They just don't have called Spotify jams.

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Whenever you connect to a Bluetooth speaker, it's now on by default, much to

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So then you can like go on someone else's phone and add something to the queue that

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is, or is not maybe appropriate.

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Like this show.

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Fitball.show.

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New feature.

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You go around public places.

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Five gigahertz.

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Force other people's.

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Five gigahertz.

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Thanks.

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I'm a fan.

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Deep, deep, deep cut to episode six.

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I was thinking the same thing, Sander.

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I'm surprised.

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Like this could work for YouTube videos.

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This would work great on like a plane.

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When you're trying to watch the same show.

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It's like tele party, but better.

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That's another extension thing that does sort of this, but it's not great.

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Tele party.

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It used to be called Netflix party.

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The Chrome extension that allows you to watch Netflix prime video YouTube at the

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same time, but it doesn't do it for music.

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Another thing in this genre.

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It does seem like the airplane idea.

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Like, why is it that you can't like vote consensus on a plane and then half the

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plane or more watches the same thing?

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And you can have like a little discussion about it afterward.

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You're all trapped in a tube together.

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Wouldn't that be kind of fun?

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It's like an introvert's nightmare.

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Not like physical discussion.

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Well, I guess you could do like voice.

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I guess I meant more foruming.

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Not only do I not get to choose what I get to watch, but I have to talk about it

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You guys remember planes used to just be like, you'd have to share a screen for

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like the first, the next five rows behind you.

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Like that was it.

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The in-flight movie today will be, Oh, okay.

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I guess we're all watching the old ass dune or something.

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Snakes on a plane.

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No, it's a great choice.

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Anyway, very tangential.

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I think there's a, like, um, in my coworking space at four o'clock every

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Friday, uh, black, uh, Rebecca black song.

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It's Friday comes on.

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I think that that should just be a thing for the planet.

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Just at four o'clock across the planet.

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Someone called Rebecca black.

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I don't see why.

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It's just, it should be the anthem for Friday at four.

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Everybody just start, start wrapping up, you know, get out of here.

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Four o'clock Eastern.

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No, of course it can't be 1984.

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Screw you, Australia.

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Screw other places.

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Screw other shifts.

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4:00 PM Eastern.

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That starts playing.

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Well, thank you very much for the idea.

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We will take that into consideration.

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And if someone wants to have that idea for free, please Spotify product

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manager who wants to get a promotion, add this feature.

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It does seem like something that'd be really cool.

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Like a way for me to stay connected to someone from afar.

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Let's start up a queue and listen to the same music for a couple of hours.

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And Russell, you're up this week.

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What's up?

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What do you got for us?

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All right.

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So I've been, uh, actually listening to more podcasts than normal and more.

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This one in particular is the best, uh, just on repeat.

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And you know, I'm starting to realize how frustrating, I just want to comment

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and communicate while I'm listening to podcasts to the podcasters, right?

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Like it's, I feel like we, as a podcaster myself, now I would love to have

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dialogue with our listeners or whoever is talking and wants to share

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something about the show, right?

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We have four segments.

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I just want somebody to leave a comment anywhere on our podcast.

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And it, particularly if I say something terrible, I would love to see the

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comment chain correcting my behavior or telling me you're going to prison.

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When I talk about tax fraud.

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Um, I just, I'm surprised that you see these, uh, all over the place

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with YouTube having timestamps.

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Uh, you have SoundCloud having comments in the bar themselves as you're listening.

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Why isn't there a podcast app out there that exclusively does this, right?

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I feel like it's a game changer for podcasters and for the

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people listening to podcasts.

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Cause how cool would it be if like your favorite podcaster comments back on

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your, on your comment, like, or mentions it on the next podcast or like you

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create a podcast longevity rather than the single week or day that it's released.

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It's just a continuing conversation.

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Um, so yeah, that's what the better podcast app, I don't have a name for it, but

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It's the social podcast.

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That's great.

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Like it's the BPA got the little like tick marks next to the progress bar.

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And it has a, this person said this at this time.

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Uh, now that Google podcasts is shutting down and everything's moving to YouTube,

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it does seem like the natural place for that to live.

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Cause there's already built in comments and there's already a podcast platform

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People are publishing to YouTube.

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You just kind of have the comments scoot up and live up in the, uh, up in the

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I think YouTube has a feature like that.

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point in the video, but I don't think it's like a live feed.

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It doesn't look super great.

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Like in real time, you want to see the sort of like dark souls, like Elden ring

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where you've got the, like the people are not happening in real time here, but

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they're leaving notes for each other at places in the thing.

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That's great.

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And I'm sure you can make this more social.

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Like I'd love to see my friends comments or the top comments on podcasts.

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Like that's where it'd be really cool.

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And obviously you're not trying to like, hopefully you can make the app like very

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vocal friendly, right?

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Cause I feel like you're not, you're intentionally not watching your screen.

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So you just feel like leave a comment or Hey podcasty, you know, let me leave a

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comment at that, that point in time and it'll record your voice texts and then

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there it is.

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It's just done.

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You still listen to your podcast.

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You leave your notes.

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So you're saying like Leo could, Leo recommends podcasts all the time.

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Leo listens to a podcast ahead of time, leaves comments.

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And then I'm generally driving when I'm listening to a podcast as Leo's voice

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come on top of it, reading his comment at that particular spot.

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Or you think it's speech to text.

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What were you thinking?

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Oh, I was thinking, I was thinking, yeah, speech to text, comment leaving, but you

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just made it way cooler, Scott.

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Like Leo left a comment here.

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Every three seconds.

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No, no, don't ask.

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Just Leo just appears in the background.

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Wasn't this part cool?

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I've watched movies next to Leo before.

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I know how it works.

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I can go back in time and leave a spoiler for the next three minutes

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to like, that'd be a dope.

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And you could like bring up or down the levels of both of the medium and

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the people who are talking.

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You could prioritize your people that are in your network over the random public.

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But I don't know.

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I feel like some people really hate the movie theater thing.

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You know, other people really like, like, can you believe it?

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What are they going to do next moments?

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Right.

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Hmm.

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That's really fun.

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Yeah.

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I didn't think about how you would listen or react to it.

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I feel like you'd listen to the podcast and then afterwards you'd kind of like

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browse through people's comments.

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Right.

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And see what people said about your favorite part of the podcast, where you

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left comments or something.

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A lot of people listen to podcasts, walking the dog, doing the dishes, driving is

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huge.

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So like having it actually live as native audio that people are adding to it is

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really interesting.

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Yeah.

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I also, I feel like it makes more revenue.

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Like I feel like you'd make more revenue as a podcaster because now you have

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advertisements maybe built in or ads when people are looking or listening.

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I don't know.

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You could throw, you could put more analytics behind your podcasts.

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You could have a really engaging podcast with low viewers or listenership.

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And now you're like creating a better experience.

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We're going to open the can of worms to this world of not Twitch streamers, but

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like podcast commenters where like, I never listened to the daily, but I always

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listened to the daily.

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What, you know, with Stephen Colbert has comments on top of it.

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That's interesting.

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I was thinking about the content moderation problem.

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You do have like, how do you keep the rando from just yelling Nazi, Nazi, Nazi,

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Nazi over it or whatever.

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You just, and your app, you'd be like, who, what comments do I want to overlay on

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this one?

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And you have your favorites of people that you trust that are fun, add humor or

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whatever to it or additional explanations.

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And we can do the Reddit model of like distributing moderation out to the

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podcasters, our admins, and they can elect other moderators to down rank or hide

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people who just scream whatever obscenities, you know, you could do like a

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transcription and voice the text and then highlight like swear words or yeah.

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Auto detect.

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But I like the idea of being able to subscribe to your favorite commentators.

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Yeah.

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That's really cool.

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Just being able to like, oh yeah, like famous comedian is being paid to do a

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bunch of riffs on this, this American life.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's like a watch along or like a riff tracks, you know, the mystery science

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theater.

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It's just, it's Riff podcast to react.

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Concept.

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Right.

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Right.

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The beauty of the podcast industry is that it's all built on like super old

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technology, RSS feeds and hosted files and stuff.

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And there's no one gatekeeper for it.

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Right.

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So like Apple doesn't choose who gets to be on the platform or not, because there

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is no one place.

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So this is really lucrative as a business because anyone can come in with this cool

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new app and like build on top of this open ecosystem and nothing's going to shut it

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down.

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You know, if you want to build a really cool podcast app, then just do it.

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I love that idea.

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That's so fun.

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Yeah.

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I guess I'm, I feel like this is such an obvious one.

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I feel like it exists and I just don't know where it is.

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And no, it's like 95% of the way there.

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YouTube's like 85%, but none of them have the, the real time community interaction

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thing.

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Like you're saying, all right, let's do this one.

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This is the one.

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This is the idea.

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No, no.

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You just gave it away.

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That's the whole conceit of the show.

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I've been given ideas away and nobody's building them.

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Right.

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So your time will come.

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Might as well just, yeah.

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We will be on a last slide in a Y Combinator pitch someday.

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Someone got our, their idea from this show and now they're a trillionaire and.

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There's going to be a podcast overlaid on top of us talking right now, explaining

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where all our ideas went.

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Here's why they're totally wrong.

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Leo, tell me what's your idea this time around?

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Not unrelated.

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So, uh, text to speech has gotten pretty good in recent months with these AI

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revolutions here and, um, things that you feed a bunch of text into can sound

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pretty natural to listen to in a way that they didn't last year.

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Right.

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So I want to combine Wikipedia, which has interesting factoids about places.

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Things are geo tagged in Wikipedia.

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You can load up a map view of Wikipedia and see local areas of interest that are

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like near you.

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Right.

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And combine that with audio.

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So I want to have a personalized tour guide.

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I pop in headphones while walking through the street in downtown Chicago, and it's

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telling me all about, Hey, did you know that that statue over there is this people

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do those audio tours in a museum, right?

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Where they walk from piece to piece and the little headphone thing tells them the

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pre-recorded piece.

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There are trillions of interesting factoids on the internet that could be

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harvested and told to me, even just as like a little background.

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Hey, you're on your commute right now.

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Did you know that that is a historical site over there?

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And that was from world war two and blah, blah, blah.

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I think that there's so much stuff around everybody who that they just don't know

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about, and it could be narrated on your phone.

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You've got location, you've got access to all of this content.

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It's free.

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Someone build a nicer interface where I don't have to like search, pull up and

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read through something, but have it be a little bit more naturally presented to me.

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By audio.

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I like it.

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It's like if AR, if we had augmented reality glasses that worked, but

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radio version, so meta introduced those Ray-Bans the most recent version has like,

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I'm looking at something and it says, Oh, that that's the Eiffel tower.

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It's this tall, right?

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It can kind of be a little bit aware of what you're looking at with a camera and

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image recognition, but yeah.

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But you're doing straight up GPS on here.

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Sure.

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I love that.

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You know that I'm a couple of hundred feet from that church.

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Hey, did you know that that church was actually built by the KKK?

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Oh shit.

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No, I didn't know that.

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Or whatever.

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Right.

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Wikipedia.

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There's got to be stuff like that.

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Probably burn it down.

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I don't know.

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It's in a black mirror quick.

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Great.

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And it could even like generate little walking tours for you.

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Sure.

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Like here's like use the AI stuff to be like, here are 10 great places to visit in X.

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And it does that.

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It uses something like open street map to do the navigation.

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It like navigates you turn by turn.

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Yeah.

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People pay a lot of money for guidance like this.

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And I feel like, uh, uh, we could even build a community around it.

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So I am a frequent contributor to this app and I've built a bunch of.

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Here's a neat 30 minute route through five local parks and some

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interesting factoids about them.

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You make it like a sourced community thing.

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Yeah.

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That's a really good idea.

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I, I, I paid when I had my work team in town or remote full remote, I ended

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up paying for a walking tour.

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That's 20 bucks a person.

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And there's like 15 people and it's just her, it's a guided tour.

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It's literally what you said is the app, but a human person doing it.

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Sure.

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Uh, which actually is kind of weird.

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Cause we, we had some random person join our walking tour in the middle of it.

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Uh, and he's like, all right, I'm just going to join this.

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Right.

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So it avoids that whole thing, that awkward situation.

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But you would never do that just for yourself, right?

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Like a walking tour of one.

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You know, who was our, who was our special guest today?

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I feel like this would be a perfect, we get a whole group of people and now

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instead of it being a walking tour of one, it's like five people all listening

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to the walking tour at the same time.

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Right.

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And now it's just, uh, yeah, I don't see why that can't be a thing too.

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We can all leave comments at different points along the way.

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GPS tagged.

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Yeah.

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Um, this boy, Leo said this.

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There's a Nike running app too, where you can like post your runs and stuff.

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You can like kind of share your, your walking tour or something.

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If we got really fan like, Oh, this is my favorite tour.

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You walk around this, this area.

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It does seem like it would be a good exercise companion.

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If you're a jogger or something, you're just going around and Hey, did you know

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that that fountain over in that park over there is from this and it represents that.

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And yeah.

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Oh, and I bet there's like multiple, I bet you could rotate between, uh, different

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factoids too, so you can, every walk is different.

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Mm hmm.

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Mm hmm.

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It'll keep track of your history and not repeat.

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And people are adding new stuff all the time to Wikipedia.

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That's the beauty of it, right?

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Mm hmm.

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Always up to date.

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Yeah.

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This sort of reminds me of, so Leo knows this, but I'm a pretty avid geocacher.

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And a couple of years ago they introduced something called adventure labs, which is

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basically just user created walking tours.

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So you can, or driving tours or boating tours.

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So you pick, so you can pick five points of interests and you go to each location

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and answer a little question about them.

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But like, this seems like just that for the masses throw in some AI, but like

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when people create walking tours who aren't just like tourism boards, really

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interesting stuff results I've done, like historic school houses of the county we

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live in or like covered bridges or stuff like that.

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So I just think when you combine the subsets of the Venn diagram of people who

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love maps with people who love other niche interests, like totally like you get the

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train people on this, like, right.

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There's probably a lot of local tourism boards who've built tours and interesting

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fact databases and stuff like this that are just sitting locked away in a

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spreadsheet somewhere.

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And if they could contribute that to Wikipedia, not only could this app use it,

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but then the whole world has access to that stuff.

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Walkipedia.

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Oh, you found it.

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It is.

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There it is.

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Nailed it.

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And that's it.

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Walkipedia.

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Waka waka pedia for the funny version.

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Man, visitor bureaus, Leo.

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I do like the idea of driving tours too.

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So you can do your own like trolley experience, right.

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But you're in the car.

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Yeah.

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Or I think this would be really cool because when you first visit, like you're

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visiting a city for the first time, right.

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It's really hard to like create your itinerary.

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So I wonder if you take this instead of it being like an educational thing, it's

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just like, hey, go on a tour with a tourist who knows the area really well.

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And you kind of just drive in this area.

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And now they're saying, oh, that's a really good bar at night.

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Oh, that's really busy.

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You don't want to go there after five.

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Like literally just some person in your car telling as a local telling you what

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you should and shouldn't do.

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Yeah.

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That's pretty good.

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Yeah.

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Don't go to this bar after midnight.

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Or go to and go to that bar.

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Right.

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But you go to this one.

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I, there is some value there.

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I think that is missed that it outside of like maybe pulling data contributors to

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walking tours, there are so many like local historian geeks that would love to

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do walking tours.

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Um, and you can, they can do like a sample or that could be their like freemium

511
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:28,320
version of, of their walking tour is like, yeah, download my, my walking tour.

512
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,720
And I got five more in the, in the oven.

513
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:31,960
You just got to call me right.

514
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,760
Or hell they could just be selling it, right.

515
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:40,720
You just sell different audio books for walking tours and now that are location

516
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,000
aware that are, yeah, right.

517
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,120
I want to get that knowledge out of their head and onto some publicly

518
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:51,760
scrapable thing so I could put it in an AI blender and have it, you know, magic

519
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,920
me, but it is, it makes sense to have this big community base too.

520
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,640
You get your people who are like well rated, like a good Uber driver, but a good

521
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,040
local tour guide.

522
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:00,480
Yeah.

523
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,160
Yeah.

524
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,360
It's kind of like a, yeah, like authorship, but vocally right.

525
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:09,440
You get Morgan Freeman to do the voice of your, of your tour.

526
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,880
And now it's like, Oh, I'll buy the $10 version.

527
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,520
The premium Morgan Freeman version or Snoop dog.

528
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:22,640
Like that's, that's also like have some sort of like passive mode where it's just

529
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,040
like random factoid mode.

530
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,720
So rather than like a guided tour, just have it on.

531
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,960
It's basically just like if you had me in the car, just being like, it's just called

532
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,520
saying that old building that used to be like a Meyer 50 years ago.

533
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,640
That's great.

534
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:41,200
I love that.

535
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,360
And people, so you've got your map and then people are leaving much like the

536
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:49,120
podcast comments, just notes in the area and you're, you're getting fed them

537
00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:51,200
randomly and they get upvoted or downvoted.

538
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,640
So they are more likely to appear.

539
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,520
It's like yik yak sort of.

540
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,800
Yes.

541
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,840
We're on the same wavelength, dude.

542
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,240
Audio bullying.

543
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:09,120
It's just, we're making fun of places now because we can't make fun of people

544
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:09,600
anymore.

545
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,760
You're running up against some content moderation, nightmare hell rides, I think.

546
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,560
Oh, you could figure it out.

547
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,440
Eventually you can have little sliders inside the app that says how educational

548
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,360
do you want this versus how completely useless do you want this?

549
00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:25,280
And then you can filter it, right?

550
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,200
Like not safe for work mode, right?

551
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,000
You just listen to all the hate.

552
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,840
That's your famous homes of adult actors.

553
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:39,640
Whoa, that would be kind of shocking.

554
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,560
Like our little, our sweet little town.

555
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,960
And you're just like, Oh wow, that happened there.

556
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,560
There's probably stories.

557
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:49,880
Yeah.

558
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,360
That are locked up in people's heads.

559
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:53,160
Getting them put out somewhere.

560
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:53,600
It'd be fun.

561
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,520
I could start some really mad rumors, dude.

562
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,000
I could start some crazy rumors.

563
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,360
The original Stroopwafel was launched at this home.

564
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:04,560
Yeah.

565
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,280
I don't know how you do fact checking at scale.

566
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:06,880
That's tough.

567
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,920
It gets people, it gets people on the app though.

568
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,600
I bet if you just put out some, just lie.

569
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,280
Yeah.

570
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,480
Everybody's going to be like, that's how next door is like alive is because people

571
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:22,240
just need to communicate the truth to these liars, right?

572
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:27,200
Like half the people on there are just correcting false information.

573
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,320
When neighbors start talking, good things happen.

574
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,880
Isn't that their slogan?

575
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,320
Is that what they say?

576
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,280
Good things happen?

577
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:36,560
Yeah.

578
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,640
Oh, that's, I hope that's a self-fulfilling prophecy because they need a lot of that.

579
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,720
You see the people on there.

580
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,200
God damn it, Diane, your cat's in my backyard again.

581
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:52,680
Our next door is actually pretty tame because it's just a bunch of middle aged

582
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,360
women selling each other lawn furniture.

583
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:57,680
In December.

584
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:04,400
Every once in a while though, like the top comment, like once a month or once every

585
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:09,000
other week, you'd just be like, Oh, that's going to start a fire up in here.

586
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,280
I don't know.

587
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,200
I kind of love the idea of being able to drive down a street and just listen to the

588
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,080
random neighbor arguments that are happening.

589
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,920
Just what's the T in this area going through?

590
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:25,200
Well, this guy freaking Frank's fence over here is encroaching on my rose bushes.

591
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:30,840
The minute that you introduce replies on the geo map, the walkopedia, oh boy.

592
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,040
That's when things really pop off.

593
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,520
It's just Godwin's law.

594
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:42,320
All right, Scott, what do you got for us this week?

595
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,760
It was kind of an unspoken rule for when we started this podcast.

596
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,520
Like let's stay, stay back from AI just because we can't just have like, here's a

597
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:50,120
cool idea.

598
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:51,160
AI is going to solve it.

599
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,400
It was all the rage here.

600
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,120
Yep.

601
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:57,600
Well, man, AI is doing some cool things to, uh, nowadays.

602
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,200
And one that I keep getting hung up on is chat.

603
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,240
GPT has there in their app.

604
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,160
You can upload images now.

605
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,920
So you take an, put an image into the app and it'll give you a full description of

606
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:11,600
what's happening there.

607
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,960
I took, you know, a picture of my dog last night and chat GPT, what's going on in

608
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:16,400
this image?

609
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,040
Oh, there's a Brown dog sitting on a couch with a yellow collar, uh, surrounded on

610
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,000
this color couch and it'll give you as much detail as you want on it.

611
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:28,520
So at the same time, they've also started releasing different APIs where you can

612
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,440
connect chat GPT to pretty much anything.

613
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,720
Now that they're into different apps like Zapier and whatnot, it's as easy as just

614
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,440
like, I want this to do this when this happens.

615
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,760
And so here's what I want to do.

616
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:46,400
I want to take a cheap piece of hardware, like a wise camera or just a webcam, have

617
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:51,760
it hooked up to a chat GPT API to analyze images and trigger outputs based upon what

618
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,280
it's seeing.

619
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,280
And that's it.

620
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:55,240
This is like, this is all no code.

621
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,400
So anyone can use this to do pretty much anything.

622
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,100
I can take a camera, point it at my car outside and be like, if this car moves at

623
00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:07,760
any point, send me a text, turn on a light, do whatever.

624
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,600
But it's all based on me verbally describing something instead of having to have any

625
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,240
knowledge of coding whatsoever.

626
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,920
All with a $20 piece of hardware that plugs in over USB or whatever.

627
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:19,480
That's fun.

628
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,440
Dude.

629
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,120
Okay, Scott.

630
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,280
That's so it's like a stakeout.

631
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:23,920
Right.

632
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,320
You're like a cop staking out.

633
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,200
That's a good name.

634
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,880
The stake is like, I guess watch, just watch mode, you know, your robot, uh,

635
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,600
watchman, or is it more than that?

636
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,640
Is it like eyeball?

637
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:41,120
Like, just like you're telling command to a camera to watch for something, right?

638
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,800
Maybe it is just like a stakeout thing where I can, it would be the equivalent of

639
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:51,080
me having a person staring at something, letting me know when something happens.

640
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,200
So I'm hiring a cheap PI with a cell phone to call me when X happens.

641
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,360
Hmm.

642
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,000
See, the thing is though, those API calls, right?

643
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,520
You're running those every frame, every second, you know, you got to figure out

644
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,720
that, but yeah.

645
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:13,400
And, uh, the wise cams that you mentioned used to have an onboard machine learning

646
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,440
model and they'd be able to tell this as a person, this is a whatever as hardware

647
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,040
is getting better.

648
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,240
It seems like we could do like, that's true.

649
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,880
Google's barred now has a version that runs on phones.

650
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,000
That's like a small, large language model.

651
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,440
It seems like we're on the cusp of being able to put something just good enough

652
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,960
for basic, you know, image recognition onto the device itself and have it run

653
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:35,400
locally.

654
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,720
It's open source.

655
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,520
Now you can download some open source model that would probably do this job

656
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,120
decently well too.

657
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:47,040
So the hardware is you could, it's a couple, maybe a couple of gigs actually

658
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,960
to run, I don't know how much RAM you need, but it's a run an AI model and have

659
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:52,600
it watch it.

660
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,400
So dude, staking out, uh, certain things is cool.

661
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,800
Interesting.

662
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,760
Well, Scott, you and I at work have a problem that something like this could

663
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,760
solve, which is trying to count people who are moving through a space and all of

664
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,840
the existing solutions that have some big Achilles heel.

665
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,040
So if you could have a camera that's literally watching how many people have

666
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,920
come through, how long have they been in this?

667
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:16,760
How are they gone?

668
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:17,960
Cause it's AI.

669
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,720
It could track who, if you wanted it to be like, this person is hogging the

670
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,560
conference room.

671
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:30,240
This person's name is Derek and you're going to remember that this is Derek.

672
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:30,680
Got it.

673
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:31,320
That's Derek.

674
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,440
Now tell me every time Derek does something.

675
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:33,720
Yeah.

676
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,120
I mean, that's the kind of thing we're coming up on, right?

677
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,360
Oh man.

678
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,800
Please describe what Derek's doing to me every five minutes and then just give me

679
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:42,600
a play by play.

680
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:43,480
Yikes.

681
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,560
Yeah, this is get really dystopian really quick.

682
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:47,920
Keep an eye on my wife.

683
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,000
Don't let her leave the house.

684
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:54,800
Honestly, I'm trying to think of like not crazy, sketchy uses of this.

685
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,280
I'm trying to come up with a trail cam hunters.

686
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:57,920
Like great.

687
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:58,680
Awesome.

688
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:07,560
Like, like, you know, this track, this deer or like farmers keep an eye on this

689
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:07,960
cow.

690
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,360
If this cow starts to act weird, let me know.

691
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,800
Keep an eye on my pet while I'm away.

692
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,040
Sander, we need your positive spin on more things.

693
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:15,280
Yeah.

694
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,720
Pet monitor one would be great.

695
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,480
Whenever my pet does something really cute.

696
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,760
Keep it recorded.

697
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:20,960
That's a great one.

698
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,000
Oh, look at that.

699
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,400
They're sleeping on their back with their paws up in the air.

700
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,480
Look at that.

701
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,400
My camera just told me they were watching it and now they told me.

702
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,800
Automatically post it on Reddit.

703
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:38,400
Cute detector.

704
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,840
It's just like watching your dog all day and sends you cute photos of your dog.

705
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,120
I just have Dolly generating pictures of my dog.

706
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,160
Now I don't bother taking him.

707
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,280
Does it need to be real?

708
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,840
It just needs to happen.

709
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:51,960
It's all about that karma.

710
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:52,800
I'm just chasing it.

711
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:59,520
Is there a particular like thing where you wish that you could use this?

712
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,920
That you could use it for?

713
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:07,000
Honestly, no, I was just more excited about the fact that someone with zero coding

714
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,920
background could, we're getting very close to where they could be like, I want this to

715
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,920
do this and that's it.

716
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:19,600
If this, then that, but for anything in real time with nothing more than vocalizing

717
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:19,720
it.

718
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,400
I have a problem at work that this would solve.

719
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,640
We have a presence sensor that's working really well.

720
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:30,440
It tells us when a room is occupied or not, but the history of who is in the room and

721
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,880
who's not is locked in there like smart home platform ecosystem.

722
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,440
You have to use their bad app to get at the data and they have an API and one of the

723
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,840
many, many projects on my plate has been, I need to write an integration cause there's

724
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,720
no if this than that or Zapier for this particular smart home ecosystem to get at the

725
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,640
data and write to a spreadsheet every time someone comes or leaves the room to know

726
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,520
how often is this conference room used?

727
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,280
I wish that I could just take your cool camera and point it in there and say, whenever

728
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:02,000
someone is in here, write to a spreadsheet and then I have a list of how often this

729
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,400
room actually is being used.

730
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,480
Love that.

731
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:10,720
Dude, the amount of energy you would save doing that alone for like HVAC systems

732
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:16,000
turning on and off, like that's a huge, you'd make so much savings.

733
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,600
Like I did that for like a year.

734
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,440
I was doing a startup where we take presence and Google calendars and Outlook

735
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,720
calendars and turn on and off facilities.

736
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,280
So it's just like, Whoa.

737
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,520
Oh, I see.

738
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,520
Like to save heat or lights or something.

739
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:34,840
Is there no one in this building?

740
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:35,960
Turn it all off.

741
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,040
Oh, that's cool.

742
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,080
Campus of the college that I work at, I recently helped somebody retire and they were

743
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,840
instrumental in orchestrating the argument for why we should shut down between Christmas

744
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,600
and New Year's and the hundreds of thousands of dollars that it saves to not have people

745
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,960
plowing the sidewalks and going around and heating the buildings, like you said, and

746
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,480
doing all the stuff you have to do to keep a business open is enormous.

747
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,800
Changing the garbage cans, right?

748
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,000
Like all the, yeah, everything.

749
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:05,800
I love it.

750
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:06,240
Everything.

751
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:06,560
Yeah.

752
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:06,920
Right.

753
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:07,560
It's insane.

754
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:13,160
You know, but I think too, Scott, you could probably do stuff like a package, right?

755
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:19,400
Like I want to know when my dog throws up, I want to know when a bird hits my window.

756
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,000
Text me if it's 11 PM and I forgot to take the trash out or something for next morning

757
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,000
or message, Hey, did it snow more than an inch outside?

758
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,160
Call the plow guy to plow it at 4 AM or whatever.

759
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,600
Or I'm the manager of a local Best Buy.

760
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,680
Let me know if anyone's shoplifting in this aisle.

761
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:42,880
No, but that's a thing already.

762
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:43,360
I'm sure.

763
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:43,960
Yeah, sure.

764
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:44,400
Yeah.

765
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,840
Target is like insane about that.

766
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,640
They're insane about that.

767
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:49,680
Why do you know that?

768
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,360
No reason.

769
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:57,320
Sold phones at Target and the AP guys, like they're, they're intense people.

770
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,200
It's just like, I couldn't be a cop, so I'm going to be an AP guy at Target.

771
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,640
Literally prevention.

772
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,640
What is AP asset protection?

773
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:15,600
Yeah, this guy would literally like hide behind shelves, like secret with a walkie,

774
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:21,120
you know, is he turned in the corner, you know, and I'm like, dude, this is, I get

775
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:21,280
it.

776
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:26,240
Like he's stealing an Xbox 360 controller again, but like you don't have to go full

777
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:29,720
mission impossible on this, but yeah, I get it.

778
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:31,840
You're probably, your bonuses probably caught up in that.

779
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,960
But anyways.

780
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:39,760
Yeah, the consumer friendly version of this.

781
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:48,400
This reminds me, do you guys remember this movie, this Disney movie, the smart mom

782
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:48,880
home?

783
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:49,800
No.

784
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:50,520
Did you guys watch this?

785
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,960
Like, I think that was a dream you had.

786
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,720
No, there was a movie called Smart House, I think.

787
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:56,760
Yes.

788
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:57,160
I don't know.

789
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:02,560
It was a mom, like it turned into a mom of the home and it would trap the kids inside

790
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,440
and like became like, because it was so much safer in the, I don't know, it was just

791
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,600
like a crazy.

792
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:09,680
Smart House.

793
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,120
But you're saying you want to love it.

794
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,840
It was directed by LeVar Burton.

795
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:17,040
Guys, that freaked me out back in the day.

796
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:17,680
I don't know why.

797
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,280
I was just like.

798
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,480
We're digging into your childhood trauma now.

799
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,000
That was like an unreason, like for me, it was not, it wasn't supposed to be a scary

800
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,480
movie, but then it became one.

801
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,920
It was just like, I don't know, but it reminds me of that a little bit.

802
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,200
Like, I mean, there's but maybe not the evil version.

803
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,000
Just like, how do you make the good version would be just like a homekeeper.

804
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,960
Like, you always leave your laundry in the same damn spot.

805
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,680
Why don't you put a basket there?

806
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,640
You dummy, like, uh, is this a new laundry chute?

807
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,840
I just I just feel it.

808
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,560
I just feel like that's what I would say to myself if I was trying to take care of

809
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:55,160
myself.

810
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,400
Like, honestly, I would even use that just pointed at my laundry machine and be like,

811
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:03,360
let me know when my laundry is done so I could remember to freaking put it in the

812
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:03,880
dryer.

813
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:09,600
Shoot, that's a great that's a great simple example of how.

814
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:09,920
Yeah.

815
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,880
Yeah, this is that is staking out that stake out right there.

816
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:19,480
Like, watch this thing and make it tell me when it's when you see a light turn green

817
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:19,760
here.

818
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:20,080
Yeah.

819
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,440
And you don't have to use fancy sensors and connect it to a microcomputer and all

820
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,040
that stuff.

821
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,760
It just can like look at it.

822
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:27,200
Yeah.

823
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,520
Tell me when this paint is dry.

824
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,920
It's just watching paint dry.

825
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:39,680
That's why robots are going to overthrow us out of anger and boredom.

826
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,560
I feel like there's other areas where you're like watching something like when when are

827
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,160
you in life just like waiting for the microwave?

828
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,720
Well, I mean, they got the ding right?

829
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:50,640
Like, when are you just.

830
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:55,280
Yeah, but I mean, like everybody like watches their microwave the last 30 seconds.

831
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,800
I feel like that's just a proverbial pot boiling.

832
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,080
Yes, that's not a bad idea.

833
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:01,800
Like the chef.

834
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:02,040
Yeah.

835
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:02,480
Right.

836
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,240
Just like helping you go while you're cooking.

837
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:07,720
Like those noodles look done.

838
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:09,080
Is this done?

839
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,360
Hold it up to camera.

840
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,920
Is this golden brown?

841
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:12,800
Keep an eye on these.

842
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,440
Dude, put it in an oven.

843
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,280
It'll tell you like, oh, you're getting close.

844
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,240
Pizza's almost done because even if you set the time right, you know, give it some

845
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:25,720
physical hardware to give it a temperature sensor, but it can also look at it.

846
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:27,480
An oven one's a cool idea.

847
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:28,800
Yes.

848
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,600
Oh yeah.

849
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,440
It you don't have to connect anything to it.

850
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,200
It can just visually read a temperature sensor that's in there.

851
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,280
They can prove the smart fridge.

852
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,080
Put it in your fridge and forget about it.

853
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,920
And then when you're at the store, you can say, how much milk did I have left?

854
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:40,680
Yes.

855
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,680
This is the appliance.

856
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,040
This is for appliances, Scott.

857
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,960
This is, this is where you go with this.

858
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,760
This might be for appliances.

859
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,080
It's totally okay.

860
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,720
Totally not dystopian.

861
00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:55,600
And it's just like smart, like make you a better cook.

862
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,200
Maintain your fridge better.

863
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:58,680
Right?

864
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,720
You got moldy cheese in your drawer.

865
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:04,520
I'm looking at it like the camera's telling you.

866
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,520
Clean out your thing.

867
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:08,560
It's green, right?

868
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,800
It's just, there's a Coke can in the back of your fridge.

869
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,880
You know, you should probably pick that up and move it.

870
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:15,120
Right?

871
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,400
This is like the stupid shit.

872
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,240
Expired three years ago.

873
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:19,480
Yeah.

874
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,520
The amount of savings.

875
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,320
I feel like just throwing out the jars in your fridge drawer, like cabinet.

876
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:26,840
Yes.

877
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,840
That's for her $20 webcam.

878
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,560
You fire up the app and you look at it and it's highlighted the four things in

879
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,480
your fridge door that expired this week.

880
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,280
Oh man.

881
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,120
It tracks when you put them in there.

882
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,080
Yeah.

883
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,080
So be like eight days ago on that Alfredo sauce, time to go.

884
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:43,880
All right.

885
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,920
Let me go through and I'm checking off.

886
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,200
Where is it here?

887
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,160
For fridges.

888
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,040
Uh, fridge pressure pads plus cameras.

889
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:52,560
Check.

890
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,920
That was on my list of things to talk about someday.

891
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,960
I'm seriously after this, going to take a picture of my fridge with chat, GPT

892
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,400
and be like, just describe what's in here.

893
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,240
Tell me what you see.

894
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:03,320
And I want to see what it can come up with.

895
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,240
Oh, you pointed out there and you say, here's the three shelves that I have.

896
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:08,360
Here's what's in my cabinet.

897
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,080
What are some novel recipes I could make with all this stuff?

898
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:11,680
Oh yeah.

899
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:12,480
Love that.

900
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,760
What do I, what can I make for dinner tonight that I probably haven't heard of?

901
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,120
You could make a pizza out of ketchup instead of pizza sauce.

902
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,200
No, come on.

903
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,280
It's a robot taste bud.

904
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:25,560
Right.

905
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:32,520
All right, Sander.

906
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:33,320
What do you got?

907
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,080
All right.

908
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:40,320
So this is sort of related to Leo's, I guess, as a college student, I frequently

909
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,640
witness freshmen year after year.

910
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,160
Now that I'm a scene here doing the same things that freshmen just always do.

911
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,840
And because they don't know better.

912
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,440
And so I was thinking, so there's sort of the big umbrella and then a

913
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,000
specific idea that inspired it.

914
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:01,880
Some sort of app to help new college students where you can like, just have

915
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,680
all of these little things and it's sort of location based.

916
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,480
So as you walk up to things, it'll be like, you don't need to put in your

917
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,160
door code for the dining hall door.

918
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,640
You could just tap your ID.

919
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,920
But what this was sort of inspired by, so there's sort of all these

920
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,720
other things inspired by that.

921
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:19,560
But the sort of core concept was.

922
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,880
There's a bunch of great things for driving directions.

923
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,000
And even maybe walking directions, but not for the specific environment of

924
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:33,200
navigating a college campus, because even on our small college campus, people take

925
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,480
the craziest routes between buildings because they don't know better.

926
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:41,040
So some sort of app where you can plug in your, your class, your next class, how

927
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,480
long you have to get to your, and you just sort of hold it up and it will just

928
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:49,720
sort of direct you cut through this building, go up these stairs, don't turn

929
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:53,080
this way to like help you navigate.

930
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,760
And this could even be used for like big office complexes.

931
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:01,160
Oh no, my meeting ran long and now I've got to get to the executive wing.

932
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,480
How do I do that?

933
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:09,640
So like core idea, some sort of fancy navigation, secondary idea, just general.

934
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:15,280
Platform that exists somewhere in between an official thing and like, yeah.

935
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,680
Cause like college sponsored, get to know the campus app seems

936
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,840
like it'd be wildly uncool.

937
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,680
Yeah.

938
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:24,520
Yeah.

939
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,800
But like spin that in a cool, more helpful crowdsourced way.

940
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,840
So like, it's still fun, but not like totally mean.

941
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,920
And it has like all of the functionality to be helpful.

942
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,280
Like if there's a club, it can be like, Oh yeah, we're in this room.

943
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,400
Click a button.

944
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,880
Here's how to get there.

945
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,760
Because there are always those places that no one has ever heard about.

946
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,720
Once Leo and I, a couple of summers ago and during an installation project

947
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:55,680
discovered a classroom that we had never heard of.

948
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,200
We didn't know where it was.

949
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,440
We had to ask five people where it was.

950
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,480
So like something like that.

951
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,760
I was a student for four years.

952
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,840
You guys were as well.

953
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,160
And then I worked there for 10 years and I'd never heard of this room in a

954
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,200
building I've been in hundreds of times.

955
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:10,480
Yeah.

956
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,240
Leo that classroom burned down 40 years ago.

957
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:19,120
I just keep envisioning if you have an app that tells you how long it gets

958
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,760
from this point to this point or the fastest way to get from this point to

959
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,360
this point, people are going to take that as a challenge and all of a sudden

960
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,760
you're going to have an app of being like, I can get from classroom 313 in

961
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,360
this building to 414 in that building in under five minutes and 42 seconds.

962
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,480
And they are just sprinting, finding the absolute optimal path.

963
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,360
That's how you make it fun.

964
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,920
And then you have a racing app.

965
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,320
It's just like everybody racing each other.

966
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,240
And finding better routes.

967
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:48,800
Right.

968
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:49,920
That's the only way to win.

969
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,280
What is the best possible route to go from here to here?

970
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:54,080
That's a fun idea.

971
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,840
But then you're going to see kids like jumping through windows.

972
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,560
Crazy.

973
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,760
Hey, it is the fastest route.

974
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,760
You know, it's just.

975
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:09,440
But I still have a leaderboard, but I like this because we, again, it's a very

976
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:14,160
small campus, but people still complain about how long it takes to get everywhere.

977
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,960
And I think half of it is just people don't realize how they can optimize their

978
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:24,040
routes because they're always walking down the sidewalks and like around buildings.

979
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:29,400
And it's like, you can save so much time if you just use the other set of stairs.

980
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:29,640
Right.

981
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,200
Cut through this building.

982
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:36,280
And especially that's only multiplied on enormous state school campuses.

983
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,400
And I feel like that just makes the introductory college experience so much

984
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,080
better if you don't always feel lost.

985
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,640
And guided by an upperclassman, it helps build some community to them.

986
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:47,280
Yeah.

987
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:47,840
Yeah.

988
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,360
Voiced by Morgan Freeman in your ear.

989
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:55,600
Google maps has a transit mode that you're describing, but for walking

990
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:56,760
directions, you hold it up.

991
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,000
It does like augmented reality.

992
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,880
So you see your, your, you know, what your camera is actually seeing, but with

993
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,880
signs overlaid and dotted lines and stuff on the sidewalk.

994
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,720
So building that, but it's not good at indoor stuff yet.

995
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:09,600
So yeah.

996
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:10,240
Yeah.

997
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:14,360
Getting your campus mapped onto the room number and then having that be the actual

998
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,720
thing built with class schedules and stuff sounds awesome.

999
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:23,880
And also like having it take into account busy times and places, like suggest times

1000
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:29,320
to go to the dining hall or something just like general, like campus companion.

1001
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:34,240
That's like helpful, but it's not like too like boring and official.

1002
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:40,760
Like the college that I attend and work at and Leo works at has a online map, but

1003
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,000
it's not very like useful as an active thing to use.

1004
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:49,440
It's just a digital version of like a fold out brochure map.

1005
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,960
But like, if that's like a dynamic, it has like Google has now where it's like,

1006
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,520
Oh, this is busy now.

1007
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:01,640
Like helping building a mapping and communication application specific to the

1008
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:09,280
needs of a large workplace campus or college, I feel like is a market.

1009
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,760
I think this applies to like so many, it's like the, like Google maps doesn't do well

1010
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,640
on the last, I don't know, you know how they say the last mile, but this is like

1011
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,640
the last hundred, 200 feet.

1012
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:24,040
Like I work in a coworking space and the hardest part is to where in downtown

1013
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:28,120
Holland do I go to get to this location?

1014
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,720
It's you have to go to this hallway, go up this elevator and now you're there.

1015
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:37,600
And it's like, Whoa, but that happens like dentist's office and like even small

1016
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,320
little like strip malls.

1017
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,320
You're like, where the hell is my orthopedic surgeon?

1018
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,880
Like I gotta figure out which, which suite number in this building is where I got to

1019
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:47,200
go.

1020
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:52,000
It's just the last 30 seconds that are stressful and turn it into.

1021
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,640
Hospital complexes.

1022
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,880
That's another one where it's just like sort of removes the whole like follow the

1023
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,360
green line, you know?

1024
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,080
Yeah, absolutely.

1025
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,800
And they tried to solve this with Bluetooth beacons a while back, but it didn't really

1026
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:07,360
catch on.

1027
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:13,040
Like the dream was you'd go into your Apple store or Abercrombie and you're walking

1028
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,680
around and it's saying like this table is the sale and your phone is alerting you as

1029
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,480
you go around from place to place because it's within X number of feet from the

1030
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,640
beacon that is that grocery store.

1031
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:25,440
This would be.

1032
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,720
Oh my gosh.

1033
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:27,440
Yeah, right.

1034
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,720
Oh yes.

1035
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:34,240
I was just thinking that I pull up cucumbers and it dot lines all the way to

1036
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:35,440
where those are on the shelf.

1037
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:41,240
I know people who avoid shopping at large supermarkets, even though they're so much

1038
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:47,120
cheaper just because target is so much smaller and easier to find stuff and they

1039
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,600
would shop at Meijer or Walmart if they just knew how to get around.

1040
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:56,040
Like I'm thinking of one friend in particular who shopped at Meijer local

1041
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,640
Midwestern's big supermarket chain once with me and she was like, wow, this is so

1042
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:05,160
great, but I would never do this on my own because you just know where everything is.

1043
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,280
So like, yeah, solving that problem.

1044
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,000
Shipping.

1045
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:09,880
True.

1046
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:15,920
Do those apps where you can order groceries like you're essentially door dashing or

1047
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,520
grubhubbing groceries to your home.

1048
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,200
Do they those apps must have like efficiencies for the yeah, stickers on them,

1049
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:22,480
right?

1050
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:23,640
Like they do.

1051
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:29,120
And the local grocery store app used to tell you exactly where it was on a map.

1052
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,400
But I think once in a while it was inaccurate or something.

1053
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,240
And now it only tells you the aisle, which I don't know is a major step back.

1054
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:36,440
And like, oh, here we go.

1055
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,720
Routing efficiency.

1056
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:44,320
So like going back to my geocaching thing, there is a geocaching application that you

1057
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,200
can like plug in all the different caches you want to get in a like optimize it for

1058
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:49,400
driving or biking or walking.

1059
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:50,680
Do that with groceries.

1060
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,400
Put in your shopping list.

1061
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,000
Yes, it draws out the route.

1062
00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:00,080
Guys, I this would be the most satisfying experience ever.

1063
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,600
Like I hate doubling back all the way across the store.

1064
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,880
Could put your phone holder on your cart just like it tells you where to stop.

1065
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,320
And it's like you don't even have to stop moving.

1066
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:16,320
Just like yes, and your wheels that you're pushing are generating phone charge.

1067
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:23,760
I literally rewrite my wife's shopping list sometimes to like organize it by section

1068
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,920
and order because you're just I'm like, sure, is your old dairy.

1069
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,800
Yeah, there's no it's like I can't even fathom why she would write it this way.

1070
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,760
It's like so frustrating to me.

1071
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,600
Like, why would you put butter last?

1072
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,960
Like I get your thought process, but like you put butter and then milk on the complete

1073
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,160
other side of this list.

1074
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,400
You're like, are you trying to kill me?

1075
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,360
Like, just kill me now.

1076
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,880
Just trying to get you to take extra steps, man.

1077
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,560
That's right.

1078
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,640
OK, another here's I will never.

1079
00:49:54,640 --> 00:50:00,680
I stopped like grocery stores killed me by finding ice cream cones.

1080
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,640
OK, what aisle do you go to find ice cream cones?

1081
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,360
Not the freezer section.

1082
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,040
Right. Where is the ice cream cones?

1083
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,400
Not the bread.

1084
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,240
Right. Baking bread, baking.

1085
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:17,840
There's only so many freezers in a grocery store in a freezer.

1086
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,600
Right. The ice cream cones.

1087
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,280
Where do you go? Just a cone with no ice.

1088
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,200
Oh, I see.

1089
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,400
I mean, every and every grocery store has a different aisle.

1090
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,520
And it's just like, do I just go in the ice cream aisle and hope to God there's ice

1091
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:31,400
cream cones there?

1092
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,480
No, it's just good luck.

1093
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,880
Like there are just some things that don't they just don't have a place in the store.

1094
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,520
And you just throw them on the ground.

1095
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:45,680
Yes. I had a similar experience finding finding Q-tips in a Walgreens once.

1096
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,080
I spent like 20 minutes in a Walgreens looking.

1097
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,160
I was Googling.

1098
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,400
I was on like our slash Walgreens.

1099
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,720
Where do people?

1100
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:59,560
Just because there's sometimes these things that defy categorization.

1101
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,040
So it's just like, yeah, you do it in a walk.

1102
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:08,560
Yeah, I was just like, is it a man named like like what is this associated with?

1103
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,800
Am I associating this with ears, face, skin?

1104
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,080
Like, yeah, cleaning products.

1105
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,200
It's next to the Windex.

1106
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,520
Turns out it's in makeup.

1107
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:17,440
It's just in makeup.

1108
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,840
It's just that's where it belongs now.

1109
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,480
Yeah. And it's like on a weird end cap or something.

1110
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,880
So I feel like that's great.

1111
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:31,600
This just solves all sorts of problems for like looking for things inside where it's

1112
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,280
like it's too small scale for mapping applications generally to care about.

1113
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:40,760
Or it's like it does that thing when you type in the name of a store or a place and

1114
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,600
Google Maps just decides that the best place for that is the middle of the building it's

1115
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,440
in. So it just like puts you on completely the wrong street.

1116
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,600
And then you're just like driving around the block trying to find where the heck the

1117
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,120
parking garage is like.

1118
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:54,840
Yes.

1119
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,040
Something to bridge that gap.

1120
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:58,520
Dude. Yes.

1121
00:51:58,520 --> 00:51:59,920
So you guys are use.

1122
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,520
Oh, you guys are all Android users, I'm guessing.

1123
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:03,960
Sorry.

1124
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,400
I'm an avid Android user before I got blue bubbled, bullied to death.

1125
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,200
But share the wealth, I guess.

1126
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,360
Sorry. No air tags like have this awesome feature.

1127
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:18,880
Like you have an air tag.

1128
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:25,240
Yeah, it's you literally like I have it in my stroller when I'm at Disney World and it

1129
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:29,040
helps me find my stroller in the literally sea of strollers.

1130
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,640
It tells you how many feet, what direction it's in.

1131
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,600
That amplified, right.

1132
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:39,000
Just air tags all over the store or versions of ice cream cones.

1133
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,240
Twelve feet that way.

1134
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:42,080
No, Leo, don't.

1135
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,520
You're that's a you're bringing up past trauma.

1136
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,560
Oh, no, it's just like I got to talk to your therapist first.

1137
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,600
Yeah, I get it. The amount of hours I've spent in a grocery store finding shit that I

1138
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:53,560
can't find. I'm sorry.

1139
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,160
I just like, yes, same.

1140
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,680
Yeah, it's one of the reasons I started shopping at Aldi.

1141
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:04,120
Yeah, not just the price, but also just like the amount of time it takes to like develop

1142
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,560
your routine in an enormous grocery store.

1143
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,880
Like it's just so easy when you can just have your little 30 minute route and not when

1144
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:17,320
you have to spend 40 minutes looking for what aisle they put Q-tips or deodorant or

1145
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,560
whatever. Here's another I'm going to flip this idea a little bit, because I think, say,

1146
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:27,520
like what if you were running a meeting and you could like let everybody know how far

1147
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,520
away you were and you can like, oh, right.

1148
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,920
Like in corporate environments like, oh, this guy's going to be late on your Google

1149
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,680
calendar invite, like estimate of how far away I am.

1150
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,080
Like it'll be like automatic message.

1151
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,280
I'm running late.

1152
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:49,360
I am at and because it's like local, it's like I'm in this building like.

1153
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,440
Or you just look at the Google calendar event attendees.

1154
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:53,560
There's three people here.

1155
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:54,680
They've got little checks.

1156
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,840
One of them says hasn't left last meeting seven minutes away in that building.

1157
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,400
And one of them says, you know, walking now two minutes out.

1158
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,360
Yeah, I'd be sweet.

1159
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:05,400
Optimize your meetings.

1160
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,920
Those extra minutes are like that one extra email.

1161
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,960
Like there's no way in hell anyone over 30 is going to turn that on with Big Brother

1162
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,960
scaries. But that's an awesome idea.

1163
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,840
It's a corporate it's you know, you put it on your RFID tags and you turn it into

1164
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,840
something like that. And now you have it being not so.

1165
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,840
Yeah. It would know when you get into buildings.

1166
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,400
Picks meeting locations.

1167
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,720
Sure. Automatically based on where everyone is before.

1168
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:33,440
It's like here's which building you should meet in.

1169
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:34,880
If you're in four different buildings.

1170
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:40,120
Google Workspace does that for just like locations of where you've assigned where you

1171
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,560
work. So if you try to meet with someone else, it'll say, oh, here's a space.

1172
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,920
If you've uploaded all your spaces in the Google Workspace, here's one that's halfway

1173
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,080
between you two. But it doesn't take into account other meetings and stuff.

1174
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,080
That's a great idea.

1175
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:55,680
Like here's the optimal place in the optimal like time of day.

1176
00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:00,960
Yeah, that's actually incredible because like it's really hard to find a right the

1177
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,040
right conference room.

1178
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,600
Right. Like just don't pick it.

1179
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,800
Don't pick where the Internet will pick for you.

1180
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:13,920
Right. And going back to sort of where this started, incorporate this into our college

1181
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,120
has like a schedule planning thing.

1182
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:21,280
You like pick all the classes you want and like optimize sections based on how you want

1183
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,480
your schedule to be. Throw in this whole location thing.

1184
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,440
Because it's great when like it'll give you a really good schedule time wise, but it'll

1185
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:35,080
just have like you go from building a to building B across campus back to building a

1186
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,040
it's like incorporate that back into the college aspect.

1187
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:43,120
Be like, here's a schedule that optimizes your trip across campus.

1188
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:44,960
Say, oh, I want to have lunch at this time.

1189
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,280
So like it'll be near the dining hall or whatever.

1190
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:49,400
So totally.

1191
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,520
Dang, Leo, your previous idea would work really well for walking tours in college

1192
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:55,640
campuses, by the way.

1193
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,240
I was thinking about that.

1194
00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:59,640
Yeah. A-Secrets.

1195
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:00,200
Yeah.

1196
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:00,680
Self-guided.

1197
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,960
Not every high schooler wants to like sign up through the admissions office to go on

1198
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,640
the special tour with the student guiding and all that.

1199
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:11,240
They just maybe download the college app and pop in their headphones and learn about

1200
00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:12,240
how things work here.

1201
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:16,800
Yeah. Different majors could have different professors and you could have different

1202
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:17,000
things.

1203
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,600
It seems so obvious that I do wonder if somebody's already done this.

1204
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:20,520
So I don't know.

1205
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,480
Right in. Podcasts, I spent all that show.

1206
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,160
If you know that somebody's already done this.

1207
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,960
In my very, very cursory Googling, I didn't see anything like it.

1208
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:32,560
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1209
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Podcasts, but better.

1210
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,840
Podcasts, but better.

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