1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,580 (upbeat music) 2 00:00:02,580 --> 00:00:05,640 - I'm Scott. 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:06,480 - I'm Russell. 4 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:07,320 - And I'm Leo. 5 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:08,140 This is Spitball. 6 00:00:08,140 --> 00:00:10,720 (upbeat music) 7 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:19,160 Welcome to Spitball, the Pitchin' Kitchen, 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,080 where three web weavers empty our heads 9 00:00:21,080 --> 00:00:22,760 of startup and tech product ideas 10 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:23,640 that we have stuck up in there 11 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,480 so you can all have them for free. 12 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,680 Anything that we say is yours to keep. 13 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:28,960 Scott, who'd you bring with us this week? 14 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,760 - This week, we have one of my oldest friends 15 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,840 and former roommate, Doyle. 16 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:34,840 - Hey, I didn't know that. 17 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:35,660 That's fun. 18 00:00:35,660 --> 00:00:36,600 - Hey, glad to be here. 19 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,640 Yeah, yeah, we were for a little bit, yep. 20 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:39,480 - Welcome to the show. 21 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:40,300 - It was good times. 22 00:00:40,300 --> 00:00:41,140 - Good times. 23 00:00:41,140 --> 00:00:41,960 - It was good times. 24 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:42,800 Hey, yeah, thanks for having me. 25 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:43,640 I'm really excited to be here. 26 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:44,560 - Good deal. 27 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,880 All right, this week I've brought a new game 28 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:47,720 for us to try out. 29 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,840 This week we're gonna be playing Wisdom of the Crowdfund. 30 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,520 So, in this game, I don't know, 31 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,220 how familiar are you guys with like history 32 00:00:55,220 --> 00:00:57,360 of famous Kickstarters and IndieGoGo's? 33 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:58,640 Is that a scene that you're in? 34 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,760 - I have heard of Kickstarter. 35 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:01,680 - Oh, good. 36 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:02,520 That's good news. 37 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,240 - Yeah, I know of Exploding Kittens, 38 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,120 absolutely blowing Kickstarter up, 39 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,200 followed by, as we were talking about actually 40 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,040 before the show, Brandon Sanderson, 41 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:13,960 following up, blowing up Kickstarter, 42 00:01:13,960 --> 00:01:15,580 but that's about all I know. 43 00:01:15,580 --> 00:01:18,320 - Okay, I haven't picked either of those for this game. 44 00:01:18,320 --> 00:01:23,320 So in this game, we have a series of bizarre Kickstarters 45 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:26,240 that have all been successfully funded over the years. 46 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,680 These are things that you may or may not even think 47 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,880 should have been funded or backed. 48 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,000 And we're going to go through line by line here 49 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,000 and take turns to decide whether or not 50 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,920 they actually delivered on the product 51 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,040 that they said they would, 52 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,280 or if this was a complete sham and scam 53 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:41,680 and they never got what they paid for. 54 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:42,520 - Love it. 55 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:43,340 - And let's start, of course, 56 00:01:43,340 --> 00:01:45,120 as we do every week with our guest, Doyle. 57 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,960 I'd like to pitch to you first. 58 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:50,160 We have a product here called Slice of Sauce. 59 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,200 Now this is a no mess slice of ketchup. 60 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,980 You could go to Kickstarter, back it, 61 00:01:54,980 --> 00:01:56,840 and Bo's original Slice of Sauce 62 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,080 was a flavor packed condiment. 63 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,680 It looked like a single, Kraft singles, 64 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,440 only it was gelatinous red, 65 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,160 and it was a slice of ketchup. 66 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,360 Now that got- - Just ketchup. 67 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:10,200 - Just ketchup. 68 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,720 There was only ketchup to start here. 69 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,040 That was backed by 677 backers and got $30,000. 70 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,000 - That's a red flag. 71 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,320 - So for $30,000, they blew past their goal, 72 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,640 but yes or no, did it ship? 73 00:02:21,640 --> 00:02:22,520 - Ooh. 74 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,400 - So it wasn't whether this exists. 75 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:25,580 - It existed? 76 00:02:25,580 --> 00:02:26,820 It was real. 77 00:02:26,820 --> 00:02:27,660 It's a thing that happens. 78 00:02:27,660 --> 00:02:30,640 - It's not like you're making up a Kickstarter. 79 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:32,100 - Did it exist in the fact 80 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:33,600 that did they actually make something 81 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,640 or was this just a photo shoot and a scam? 82 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:37,160 - Okay, okay, okay. 83 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,400 I have to say that yes, 84 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,800 that absolutely it has to be easy enough 85 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,480 to just with a little bit of pudding mix 86 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,080 and ketchup onto a baking tray. 87 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:52,960 - Put it in a sandwich bag. 88 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,300 - You are absolutely right. 89 00:02:54,300 --> 00:02:56,920 Slice of sauce shipped to all backers. 90 00:02:56,920 --> 00:02:59,080 It was a raving success. 91 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,680 Not only was it a success, 92 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,000 it was made by a restaurateur 93 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,280 in the upper peninsula of Michigan, our home state. 94 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:08,200 - Oh, wow. 95 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:13,200 - Russell, next the Scarp Laser Razor, 21st century shaving. 96 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,760 Now this was a razor that looked kind of like 97 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,680 a safety razor that you'd hold here, 98 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,880 but instead of a blade, it had a glowing red light 99 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,720 and was pitched as the first ever razor 100 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,080 that was powered by a laser, irritation free. 101 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:32,080 It got $507,000, 255% of its goal on Indiegogo. 102 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,920 But yes or no, did it ship to people? 103 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,240 - Yikes. 104 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,960 Ah, this is like one of those things 105 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,780 where you take one of those electric lighters 106 00:03:41,780 --> 00:03:43,840 and you're like, all right, let's ship it. 107 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:44,680 - Yeah, right. 108 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,560 (laughing) 109 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:47,600 - It cuts hair. 110 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:52,200 I'm gonna say it's shipped, but everybody asked for a refund. 111 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,040 - Ah, not only did it not ship, 112 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,160 Indiegogo suspended the whole campaign 113 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,360 and did not allow it to complete. 114 00:03:58,360 --> 00:03:59,200 - Whoa. 115 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,360 - Why, what was the-- 116 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:02,960 - They didn't even have a functional prototype, 117 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:03,800 which was a rule. 118 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:04,640 (laughing) 119 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:05,460 - Oh, okay, well that's great. 120 00:04:05,460 --> 00:04:06,800 - They're just shipping high power lasers 121 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,280 and saying point them at your face. 122 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:09,760 - Yeah, just point it at your face. 123 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,640 - Guys, I'm 99% sure lasers exist. 124 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,040 (laughing) 125 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,360 And if TV's taught me anything, they cut things. 126 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,200 - Scott. 127 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,200 - Half a million. 128 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,560 - I'd like to tell you about my fantastic new product. 129 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,320 It's called Telespec, T-E-L-L-S-P-E-C with a capital S. 130 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:26,780 What's in your food? 131 00:04:26,780 --> 00:04:29,320 This is a handheld scanner that offered real-time 132 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,100 food testing, food safety, and food authenticity. 133 00:04:33,100 --> 00:04:34,660 You point at this scanner at food 134 00:04:34,660 --> 00:04:36,840 and it'll tell you all kinds of details about it, 135 00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:38,220 whether or not it's legit. 136 00:04:38,220 --> 00:04:40,040 Yes or no, did that actually, oh, sorry, 137 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:45,040 it got $386,000, almost 400% of its goal, but did it ship? 138 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,560 - Can you tell me what year? 139 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:49,640 - I can. 140 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:50,480 - The country of origin. 141 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:51,400 - Can you use it in a sentence? 142 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:52,240 - Yeah, right. 143 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:53,560 - Can you use it in a sentence? 144 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,040 (laughing) 145 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,200 - This was, I believe, 2016. 146 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:58,100 - It did not ship. 147 00:04:58,100 --> 00:05:00,480 There's no way they could do that, Dan. 148 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,360 - They got all the way to the point of firmware 149 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,560 and manufacturing and stuff, but no, you are correct. 150 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,240 It did not ship, sorry to say. 151 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,240 - The FDA would be fixed, right? 152 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,120 - If this was like the last year, I'd be like, okay, maybe. 153 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,320 You know, just some chat GPT plugin or whatever. 154 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,640 - Apparently they shipped something to some people, 155 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,040 but it was a rebrand of some other product 156 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,620 that already existed and did not do anything 157 00:05:22,620 --> 00:05:24,380 for what it said it would. 158 00:05:24,380 --> 00:05:25,640 Round two, Doyle. 159 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:30,280 The iFind, the world's first battery-free item location tag, 160 00:05:30,280 --> 00:05:32,200 like an AirTag or a TileTracker, 161 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,380 but it promised to be a battery-free tracker using Bluetooth 162 00:05:36,380 --> 00:05:39,340 that harnessed radio waves from the air around you 163 00:05:39,340 --> 00:05:41,760 for just enough energy to-- 164 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:42,760 - Oh, that's so cool. 165 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,900 - Yeah, so it had a $25,000 goal. 166 00:05:45,900 --> 00:05:50,180 It got $546,000. 167 00:05:50,180 --> 00:05:53,420 It blew past its goal, hundreds and hundreds of percent, 168 00:05:53,420 --> 00:05:55,520 but did it ship? 169 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:56,360 - I'm gonna say no, 170 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,840 'cause if it did, AirTag would be using it already. 171 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:00,340 - Oh, that doesn't sound like the Apple I know. 172 00:06:00,340 --> 00:06:02,160 - The fundamental technology, right? 173 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,620 - Yeah, you are absolutely right. 174 00:06:03,620 --> 00:06:06,400 Nine years ago, it was also suspended by Kickstarter. 175 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:07,940 That shit didn't even exist. 176 00:06:07,940 --> 00:06:14,520 Russell, Bust, CST01, the world's thinnest watch. 177 00:06:15,540 --> 00:06:20,060 This is a flexible wristwatch that's an E-Ink display, 178 00:06:20,060 --> 00:06:21,620 and it goes all the way around, 179 00:06:21,620 --> 00:06:23,180 kind of like a slap bracelet, 180 00:06:23,180 --> 00:06:25,940 where you put it on and it had just the time 181 00:06:25,940 --> 00:06:26,760 and nothing else. 182 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,620 It was a really, really thin wristwatch. 183 00:06:28,620 --> 00:06:30,140 - How many backers? 184 00:06:30,140 --> 00:06:35,140 - 7,600 backers that pledged over a million dollars. 185 00:06:35,140 --> 00:06:36,400 - Oh my gosh. 186 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,460 Dude, just take everybody that loves Pebble 187 00:06:38,460 --> 00:06:41,480 and funnel them into this scam. 188 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,960 Never shipped. 189 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,060 - Absolutely right, it never shipped. 190 00:06:47,060 --> 00:06:47,900 Total bust. 191 00:06:47,900 --> 00:06:48,780 - Russell, are you telling me people 192 00:06:48,780 --> 00:06:49,860 don't wear their Pebble anymore? 193 00:06:49,860 --> 00:06:51,540 - Oh no, there's a hardcore community 194 00:06:51,540 --> 00:06:53,180 that I would still be a part of right now 195 00:06:53,180 --> 00:06:54,780 if it still existed. 196 00:06:54,780 --> 00:06:58,140 - For those listening, Russell has four Pebbles on right now. 197 00:06:58,140 --> 00:07:00,220 - If Fitbit didn't buy Pebble, 198 00:07:00,220 --> 00:07:04,100 and then Google Fitbit, I'm like, "Oh, you see?" 199 00:07:04,100 --> 00:07:05,500 - I've got my Pebble time, 200 00:07:05,500 --> 00:07:07,540 and my Pebble time round right here. 201 00:07:07,540 --> 00:07:09,860 Our good friend Andrew also has his. 202 00:07:09,860 --> 00:07:13,220 - It's the GOAT of watches. 203 00:07:13,220 --> 00:07:14,460 - They still work. 204 00:07:14,460 --> 00:07:16,400 - Yeah, there's a whole community to make them still work. 205 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:17,240 It's great. 206 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,440 Scott, oh, do I have a pitch for you? 207 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,380 This is called the Romp Him, H-I-M, 208 00:07:23,380 --> 00:07:26,580 the world's first male romper. 209 00:07:26,580 --> 00:07:29,980 This is a repeat Kickstarter. 210 00:07:29,980 --> 00:07:30,820 - Romp Him? 211 00:07:30,820 --> 00:07:33,660 - Romp Him, R-O-M-P, capital H-I-M. 212 00:07:33,660 --> 00:07:38,660 This had 3,000 backers, $353,000 in 2017. 213 00:07:38,660 --> 00:07:43,860 It's a romper in fun fraternity-looking patterns, 214 00:07:44,180 --> 00:07:48,420 kind of splotchy, whatever, and it was a romper. 215 00:07:48,420 --> 00:07:50,220 - Is there the '90s Swish? 216 00:07:50,220 --> 00:07:51,940 - It's got '90s Swish vibe. 217 00:07:51,940 --> 00:07:53,140 Jazz, I believe was the name of that band. 218 00:07:53,140 --> 00:07:54,820 - No, but like, yeah, jazz. 219 00:07:54,820 --> 00:07:57,980 - It doesn't actually have that, but similar, yeah. 220 00:07:57,980 --> 00:07:58,820 Yes or no, did it ship? 221 00:07:58,820 --> 00:07:59,920 - Not a high barrier to entry. 222 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:01,500 I say it definitely shipped. 223 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:02,940 - It definitely shipped, you're absolutely right. 224 00:08:02,940 --> 00:08:04,540 - I'm gonna buy one right after this. 225 00:08:04,540 --> 00:08:07,140 - The Romp Him, an excellent Christmas gift. 226 00:08:07,140 --> 00:08:08,020 One more round? 227 00:08:08,020 --> 00:08:08,860 - Let's go. 228 00:08:08,860 --> 00:08:10,340 - One more. - Let's go again. 229 00:08:10,340 --> 00:08:12,260 - Doyle, the Smarty Ring. 230 00:08:12,260 --> 00:08:15,020 This is kind of like an Oura Ring, a couple years back. 231 00:08:15,020 --> 00:08:18,300 That is the first ring of its kind. 232 00:08:18,300 --> 00:08:21,660 It was a notification alerts buzz 233 00:08:21,660 --> 00:08:23,820 in a ring that you wore on your finger 234 00:08:23,820 --> 00:08:25,980 and it had a tiny OLED screen and not much else. 235 00:08:25,980 --> 00:08:27,540 It would buzz when you got notifications 236 00:08:27,540 --> 00:08:29,880 and a little tiny screen promised to be a lot. 237 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:34,880 It raised almost $300,000, 744% of its goal of 40,000, 238 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,960 but did it ship? 239 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,740 - If it was just the vibration, I would say yes, 240 00:08:40,740 --> 00:08:43,500 but an OLED screen seems like a lot to put in a ring, 241 00:08:43,500 --> 00:08:44,780 so I'm gonna say no. 242 00:08:44,780 --> 00:08:45,620 - You're absolutely right. 243 00:08:45,620 --> 00:08:48,380 Not only that, they famously started a second campaign 244 00:08:48,380 --> 00:08:50,660 to raise more money without delivering to the first yet 245 00:08:50,660 --> 00:08:52,580 and it pissed off a lot of people. 246 00:08:52,580 --> 00:08:55,340 Bluetooth 4.0 technology. 247 00:08:55,340 --> 00:08:56,820 It didn't even promise to do a lot. 248 00:08:56,820 --> 00:08:57,900 I'm surprised it didn't make it. 249 00:08:57,900 --> 00:09:01,340 The screen, I guess, but yeah, never happened. 250 00:09:01,340 --> 00:09:05,140 Russell, the Transporter. 251 00:09:05,140 --> 00:09:08,300 This is a portable hard drive that you can turn 252 00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:13,300 into a online off-the-cloud storage solution. 253 00:09:13,300 --> 00:09:14,740 It's kind of like a NAS. 254 00:09:14,740 --> 00:09:15,700 You put your files on it. 255 00:09:15,700 --> 00:09:16,540 It sits there. 256 00:09:16,540 --> 00:09:18,860 It looks like a router, black, sleek-looking thing. 257 00:09:18,860 --> 00:09:22,300 It's for storing your files on your network. 258 00:09:22,300 --> 00:09:27,300 It got 1,055 backers and $260,000 way back in 2013. 259 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:33,580 - Wait, it's just a wireless portable hard drive? 260 00:09:33,580 --> 00:09:36,020 - It's a wireless portable hard drive 261 00:09:36,020 --> 00:09:39,060 that you put your own hard drive in 262 00:09:39,060 --> 00:09:41,580 and it made a private cloud. 263 00:09:41,580 --> 00:09:42,420 - That's pretty cool. 264 00:09:42,420 --> 00:09:43,860 - Wait, what's the name of this product? 265 00:09:43,860 --> 00:09:45,220 - The Transporter. 266 00:09:45,220 --> 00:09:46,060 - Oh. 267 00:09:46,060 --> 00:09:48,740 - You have not heard of this product. 268 00:09:48,740 --> 00:09:49,940 - I've heard of something. 269 00:09:49,940 --> 00:09:50,780 I think-- 270 00:09:50,780 --> 00:09:53,180 - I mean, it's like a NAS or a time machine or whatever, 271 00:09:53,180 --> 00:09:55,980 but it promised quite a bit in a time 272 00:09:55,980 --> 00:09:58,100 where that was not really super popular yet. 273 00:09:58,100 --> 00:10:00,540 It got $260,000. 274 00:10:00,540 --> 00:10:02,180 - I think it happened. 275 00:10:02,180 --> 00:10:03,020 Hold on, hold on. 276 00:10:03,020 --> 00:10:05,500 How many gigabytes did it store? 277 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:06,780 - No, you bring your own drive. 278 00:10:06,780 --> 00:10:08,180 - Oh, it's BYOD? 279 00:10:08,180 --> 00:10:10,420 - They had a version that you could buy. 280 00:10:10,420 --> 00:10:11,620 They had a version you could buy 281 00:10:11,620 --> 00:10:14,340 with one terabyte hard drive that it shipped with, 282 00:10:14,340 --> 00:10:16,740 but the regular version was you bring your own. 283 00:10:16,740 --> 00:10:19,380 - Oh, well then totally, yes, it happened. 284 00:10:19,380 --> 00:10:21,740 - Use any capacity mobile drive, it says. 285 00:10:21,740 --> 00:10:22,740 - Just a USB hub. 286 00:10:22,740 --> 00:10:24,140 - It did indeed happen. 287 00:10:24,140 --> 00:10:25,060 You're absolutely right. 288 00:10:25,060 --> 00:10:25,900 - I like that one. 289 00:10:25,900 --> 00:10:27,560 - It barely made it through. 290 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:28,400 Yeah. 291 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:29,240 - Wow. 292 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,900 - And then lastly, Scott, the M Printer. 293 00:10:31,900 --> 00:10:33,700 That's a lowercase M, capital P, 294 00:10:33,700 --> 00:10:36,300 an analog printer for a digital world. 295 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:39,480 Small black receipt printer, thermal printer, 296 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,320 that printed snippets of information 297 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,260 that they called M Prints. 298 00:10:43,260 --> 00:10:45,260 You could set it up with your phone 299 00:10:45,260 --> 00:10:47,380 so that you print out the weather for today 300 00:10:47,380 --> 00:10:50,980 or a to-do list or your Facebook notifications 301 00:10:50,980 --> 00:10:55,340 or I don't know, like Sudoku puzzles 302 00:10:55,340 --> 00:10:56,980 and the headlines for the day. 303 00:10:56,980 --> 00:10:58,700 You set it on your counter, 304 00:10:58,700 --> 00:11:01,500 you walk out the door with your receipt full of information, 305 00:11:01,500 --> 00:11:03,100 like a little mini personalized newspaper. 306 00:11:03,100 --> 00:11:04,540 - Does your screens not go back? 307 00:11:04,540 --> 00:11:05,880 - $88,000. 308 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,500 (laughing) 309 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:08,340 - Can I print coupons? 310 00:11:08,340 --> 00:11:09,180 - Well, this is 2015. 311 00:11:09,180 --> 00:11:10,300 (laughing) 312 00:11:10,300 --> 00:11:11,860 Different time in 2015. 313 00:11:11,860 --> 00:11:15,860 700 backers, $88,000, but did it actually ship? 314 00:11:15,860 --> 00:11:17,480 - Nintendo did this, right? 315 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,580 In the late nineties, the Game Boy Printer. 316 00:11:19,580 --> 00:11:21,460 - The Game Boy Printer, yeah. 317 00:11:21,460 --> 00:11:22,540 Like that, a little bit bigger. 318 00:11:22,540 --> 00:11:23,900 - Okay, then this definitely shipped. 319 00:11:23,900 --> 00:11:25,380 Also, I love that idea. 320 00:11:25,380 --> 00:11:27,700 Could have used that last week with Sam. 321 00:11:27,700 --> 00:11:29,780 - It never even shipped. 322 00:11:29,780 --> 00:11:33,180 - This is a product that you'd think like a thermal printer, 323 00:11:33,180 --> 00:11:35,620 you put it like an ESP32 on it or something, 324 00:11:35,620 --> 00:11:36,900 you're good, right? 325 00:11:36,900 --> 00:11:39,140 You go to AliExpress and you glue a circuit board 326 00:11:39,140 --> 00:11:40,940 onto a thing that already exists and you're done, 327 00:11:40,940 --> 00:11:43,500 but nope, they had a whole promise 328 00:11:43,500 --> 00:11:45,260 and never even shipped a thing. 329 00:11:45,260 --> 00:11:46,100 - Lame. 330 00:11:46,100 --> 00:11:46,920 - That-- 331 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:47,760 - I lost track of our scores. 332 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:48,740 (laughing) 333 00:11:48,740 --> 00:11:49,580 - I just know-- 334 00:11:49,580 --> 00:11:50,420 - I think I won. 335 00:11:50,420 --> 00:11:51,240 - I think we all win. 336 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:52,740 - We all win for finding all of these. 337 00:11:52,740 --> 00:11:54,460 - I think we all won. 338 00:11:54,460 --> 00:11:58,220 - Thanks very much to the shitty Kickstarter subreddit 339 00:11:58,220 --> 00:11:59,500 for some of your inspiration. 340 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:00,340 - That's good. 341 00:12:00,340 --> 00:12:01,700 I like that game, that was a good game. 342 00:12:01,700 --> 00:12:02,540 - Sweet. 343 00:12:02,540 --> 00:12:03,360 - All right, Scott, your first this week. 344 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:04,200 What do you got for us? 345 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,740 - All right, here is my half-baked idea. 346 00:12:06,740 --> 00:12:08,280 Actually, just seeing Doyle 347 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,100 and being able to interact with him. 348 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:11,460 Doyle lives in New York right now 349 00:12:11,460 --> 00:12:12,740 and I'm currently in Michigan 350 00:12:12,740 --> 00:12:14,700 and it is nice to be able to catch up with him. 351 00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:16,540 - It's very nice to be able to catch up with you guys. 352 00:12:16,540 --> 00:12:18,780 - And so I'm gonna combine that with, 353 00:12:18,780 --> 00:12:21,460 do you guys remember Woot before they got bought out? 354 00:12:21,460 --> 00:12:22,660 I don't know, I think Amazon did it. 355 00:12:22,660 --> 00:12:25,480 So it's a website where it's one product a day 356 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,260 and you just kind of check it, 357 00:12:27,260 --> 00:12:29,060 like not like an auction, but just, 358 00:12:29,060 --> 00:12:30,140 hey, they're selling this today, 359 00:12:30,140 --> 00:12:31,780 do I want it or no, yay or nay? 360 00:12:31,780 --> 00:12:34,020 I'm gonna combine that with Doyle being in New York 361 00:12:34,020 --> 00:12:36,100 with a subscription service. 362 00:12:36,100 --> 00:12:40,100 So you pay a monthly like 10, 20 bucks a month 363 00:12:40,100 --> 00:12:42,740 and then maybe once or twice a month, 364 00:12:42,740 --> 00:12:44,840 an item, you'll get notified 365 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,500 that this is the item this month. 366 00:12:46,500 --> 00:12:48,780 You can either buy it for yourself 367 00:12:48,780 --> 00:12:51,380 or send it to a friend on here 368 00:12:51,380 --> 00:12:54,060 in order to maintain contact with someone 369 00:12:54,060 --> 00:12:55,540 or stay in touch or whatnot. 370 00:12:55,540 --> 00:12:58,620 So say the item this week is a, 371 00:12:58,620 --> 00:13:00,300 what'd you call it, a round pin? 372 00:13:00,300 --> 00:13:01,220 Or. (laughs) 373 00:13:01,220 --> 00:13:02,040 - Yeah. 374 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,140 - Yeah, I see that and I get notification like, 375 00:13:04,140 --> 00:13:06,140 hey, you've already paid for this 376 00:13:06,140 --> 00:13:07,540 'cause you paid for your subscription. 377 00:13:07,540 --> 00:13:08,980 Who do you wanna send this to? 378 00:13:08,980 --> 00:13:10,540 And I'd be like, this is for Doyle, 379 00:13:10,540 --> 00:13:11,680 this is built for Doyle. 380 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:13,660 I'm gonna send it to him with a note 381 00:13:13,660 --> 00:13:15,740 or zero contacts or nothing. 382 00:13:15,740 --> 00:13:18,740 And that way I can just kind of stay connected with someone. 383 00:13:18,740 --> 00:13:19,580 That's the idea. 384 00:13:19,580 --> 00:13:20,420 - Fantastic. 385 00:13:20,420 --> 00:13:21,260 - Peak consumerism. 386 00:13:21,260 --> 00:13:24,300 So you can just send random crap to anyone. 387 00:13:24,300 --> 00:13:25,740 - Absolutely random crap. 388 00:13:25,740 --> 00:13:27,940 A pair of socks, a bag of dog treats. 389 00:13:27,940 --> 00:13:29,740 Like whatever. 390 00:13:29,740 --> 00:13:31,420 But it lets you think about like, 391 00:13:31,420 --> 00:13:34,140 ah, this really screams Russell right here. 392 00:13:34,140 --> 00:13:35,740 I'm just gonna send this to Russell. 393 00:13:35,740 --> 00:13:36,580 - Do you tell it? 394 00:13:36,580 --> 00:13:38,420 - It's a social network, but physical goods. 395 00:13:38,420 --> 00:13:40,860 - Yeah, do you tell it who you're sending stuff to 396 00:13:40,860 --> 00:13:43,620 and then it finds more things like that thing 397 00:13:43,620 --> 00:13:44,800 for that person? 398 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,140 - Well, it's always the same item 399 00:13:48,140 --> 00:13:50,380 for everyone in the whole using the service. 400 00:13:50,380 --> 00:13:53,420 Like, yeah, this week is this fancy pair 401 00:13:53,420 --> 00:13:54,700 of Harry Potter socks or whatever. 402 00:13:54,700 --> 00:13:55,980 Who would like this best? 403 00:13:55,980 --> 00:13:59,580 Woot was genius because it was selling overstocked stuff. 404 00:13:59,580 --> 00:14:01,460 They had too much of one thing in the thing 405 00:14:01,460 --> 00:14:02,300 and how do we get rid of it? 406 00:14:02,300 --> 00:14:03,620 And there was always limited supply. 407 00:14:03,620 --> 00:14:04,460 They made a big deal about, 408 00:14:04,460 --> 00:14:07,860 "Hey, there's only 35% of these are remaining. 409 00:14:07,860 --> 00:14:08,700 Now's your chance." 410 00:14:08,700 --> 00:14:10,060 They gave you a lot of FOMO. 411 00:14:10,060 --> 00:14:11,380 Combining that with also, 412 00:14:11,380 --> 00:14:13,380 oh, I feel warm and fuzzy 'cause I'm sending a gift. 413 00:14:13,380 --> 00:14:14,220 It makes a lot of sense. 414 00:14:14,220 --> 00:14:15,900 - Well, I think the question is what happened to them? 415 00:14:15,900 --> 00:14:17,460 - They got bought by Amazon. 416 00:14:17,460 --> 00:14:18,300 - Well, that's what happens to all of us. 417 00:14:18,300 --> 00:14:20,020 - And then the founder went and started another one. 418 00:14:20,020 --> 00:14:22,820 - He just did the exact same site again called Meh. 419 00:14:22,820 --> 00:14:23,660 - Right. 420 00:14:23,660 --> 00:14:25,020 - Meh, that's right. 421 00:14:25,020 --> 00:14:25,860 He did. 422 00:14:25,860 --> 00:14:27,460 - He still exists too. 423 00:14:27,460 --> 00:14:29,100 - Exactly. - Meh.com. 424 00:14:29,100 --> 00:14:30,260 - But now when you go to Woot, 425 00:14:30,260 --> 00:14:32,540 you can get special benefits if you're an Amazon Prime 426 00:14:32,540 --> 00:14:34,020 member, it's kind of sad. 427 00:14:34,020 --> 00:14:37,620 - Okay, I wanna throw a loop in this. 428 00:14:37,620 --> 00:14:39,980 So you know all those Amazon returns, 429 00:14:39,980 --> 00:14:43,100 those bins, bulk bin buying, okay. 430 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:47,100 Turn this into a, every month you spend 20 bucks 431 00:14:47,100 --> 00:14:49,060 and you can randomly, so like, 432 00:14:49,060 --> 00:14:51,780 it's straight up like a click shuffle. 433 00:14:51,780 --> 00:14:53,980 Like if you pick, if like, it's just the bins. 434 00:14:53,980 --> 00:14:56,020 You know those shopping bins that are stupid cheap? 435 00:14:56,020 --> 00:14:56,940 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 436 00:14:56,940 --> 00:14:58,860 - And you get your item and it's like, 437 00:14:58,860 --> 00:15:00,820 who, do you want this or do you wanna send it 438 00:15:00,820 --> 00:15:02,300 to somebody else, right? 439 00:15:02,300 --> 00:15:05,180 And it's just, you have like three re-rolls 440 00:15:05,180 --> 00:15:06,680 and then after the third one, 441 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:07,700 (laughing) 442 00:15:07,700 --> 00:15:09,380 you're like, all right, you're stuck with this one. 443 00:15:09,380 --> 00:15:10,380 We're sending it to your house 444 00:15:10,380 --> 00:15:11,460 or you're sending it to a friend. 445 00:15:11,460 --> 00:15:14,660 So it's either like a gag gift or just, 446 00:15:14,660 --> 00:15:18,040 or it could be a full on like returned Amazon drone, 447 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,660 coffee roaster, it could go wild card with this, right? 448 00:15:21,660 --> 00:15:23,460 'Cause you can buy those bulk return bins 449 00:15:23,460 --> 00:15:24,860 at like a flat rate. 450 00:15:24,860 --> 00:15:26,820 And so now people are on there subscribing 451 00:15:26,820 --> 00:15:31,820 for the lucky coffee grinder that costs 150 bucks 452 00:15:31,820 --> 00:15:34,860 or they're like, I'm just gonna send Doyle a pair of socks. 453 00:15:34,860 --> 00:15:36,540 (laughing) 454 00:15:36,540 --> 00:15:37,740 - Who did that famously? 455 00:15:37,740 --> 00:15:39,860 They have the bag of crap, which is a mystery item. 456 00:15:39,860 --> 00:15:41,420 - I love the bag of crap. 457 00:15:41,420 --> 00:15:43,020 - Like 10, 15, 20 years ago, 458 00:15:43,020 --> 00:15:44,820 whenever it was that they had the Nintendo Wii, 459 00:15:44,820 --> 00:15:46,940 they went out and sent all their employees to wait in line 460 00:15:46,940 --> 00:15:47,940 and they all got Wiis. 461 00:15:47,940 --> 00:15:49,440 And then that was one of the things they sent out 462 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,900 for the bag of crap when you couldn't buy them anywhere. 463 00:15:51,900 --> 00:15:53,380 And it was like a really big deal. 464 00:15:53,380 --> 00:15:55,020 Yeah, you could leverage that FOMO. 465 00:15:55,020 --> 00:15:55,860 I love it. 466 00:15:55,860 --> 00:15:57,380 - What I like about your addition, Russell, 467 00:15:57,380 --> 00:16:00,380 to that is that sort of you found what Woot found. 468 00:16:00,380 --> 00:16:02,860 Like Woot had found, okay, we have overstocked items 469 00:16:02,860 --> 00:16:04,100 and we need to get rid of them. 470 00:16:04,100 --> 00:16:07,260 You're taking like, okay, you have these random boxes 471 00:16:07,260 --> 00:16:09,420 that Amazon puts together of returned items. 472 00:16:09,420 --> 00:16:11,660 Like let's turn that into money. 473 00:16:11,660 --> 00:16:13,660 Because like if you could buy for, what is it? 474 00:16:13,660 --> 00:16:17,100 Like 300 bucks a box of things that are, 475 00:16:17,100 --> 00:16:19,520 probably retail worth $2,000, 476 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,520 but you just can't do anything with them. 477 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,140 (laughing) 478 00:16:23,140 --> 00:16:24,180 But yeah, you found it. 479 00:16:24,180 --> 00:16:26,620 You just buy, you keep buying those boxes 480 00:16:26,620 --> 00:16:30,140 and then whatever was in those boxes is what's on sale 481 00:16:30,140 --> 00:16:30,980 on the site that day. 482 00:16:30,980 --> 00:16:33,060 I think it doesn't necessarily have to be one item. 483 00:16:33,060 --> 00:16:35,260 It could be, we only have one of each item. 484 00:16:35,260 --> 00:16:37,620 And as things get picked, it's gone. 485 00:16:37,620 --> 00:16:38,460 - First come, first serve. 486 00:16:38,460 --> 00:16:40,260 - I don't know, I have a PS5 in here today. 487 00:16:40,260 --> 00:16:41,660 It's gone in 10 seconds somehow 488 00:16:41,660 --> 00:16:43,800 'cause someone wrote a script to do that. 489 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,180 - Yeah, there is a problem. 490 00:16:47,180 --> 00:16:50,700 Like you could just be sending broken things, 491 00:16:50,700 --> 00:16:53,460 like just straight broken equipment to somebody 492 00:16:53,460 --> 00:16:55,180 or claiming it for yourself. 493 00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:56,660 So there's a balance. 494 00:16:56,660 --> 00:16:57,940 - You could have a pretty easy-- 495 00:16:57,940 --> 00:16:58,780 - You know the risk. 496 00:16:58,780 --> 00:16:59,600 - You could have a pretty easy-- 497 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:00,440 - You check that box. 498 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:01,860 - No, you could pretty easily cover that. 499 00:17:01,860 --> 00:17:02,980 I mean, like we were saying, 500 00:17:02,980 --> 00:17:05,260 like it's 300 bucks for the box or something like that. 501 00:17:05,260 --> 00:17:06,260 I think you can have 500 502 00:17:06,260 --> 00:17:08,660 and it's probably $3,000 worth of items. 503 00:17:08,660 --> 00:17:12,580 Like, okay, one quarter of them are broken. 504 00:17:12,580 --> 00:17:14,340 You just go, sorry, okay. 505 00:17:14,340 --> 00:17:15,180 Don't worry about it. 506 00:17:15,180 --> 00:17:16,020 - We'll send you another. 507 00:17:16,020 --> 00:17:17,860 Yeah, here, we'll pull it out of the other bin. 508 00:17:17,860 --> 00:17:18,700 Yeah, that's true. 509 00:17:18,700 --> 00:17:19,820 - No, just give them their money back 510 00:17:19,820 --> 00:17:21,620 and you're like, sorry, no problem. 511 00:17:21,620 --> 00:17:22,460 But you've already made your money 512 00:17:22,460 --> 00:17:24,220 off all the other things that did work. 513 00:17:24,220 --> 00:17:25,820 - That's right, that's right, yeah. 514 00:17:25,820 --> 00:17:27,980 Add five more re-rolls to your next order. 515 00:17:27,980 --> 00:17:29,220 - Sorry. 516 00:17:29,220 --> 00:17:30,820 - Here's your money. 517 00:17:30,820 --> 00:17:32,720 - We're gonna be considered gambling in no time. 518 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:33,560 Just watch. 519 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,900 - Well, but we're actually undoing the mystery box of it. 520 00:17:36,900 --> 00:17:38,700 We're taking the gambling out of it. 521 00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:39,540 (laughing) 522 00:17:39,540 --> 00:17:40,380 - Yeah, it's-- 523 00:17:40,380 --> 00:17:42,380 - We're gambling that we'll be able to sell it. 524 00:17:42,380 --> 00:17:43,660 (laughing) 525 00:17:43,660 --> 00:17:44,860 But the internet's a big place. 526 00:17:44,860 --> 00:17:46,980 - We have a local auction house here in West Michigan 527 00:17:46,980 --> 00:17:49,120 that buys them in bulk and gets the pallets 528 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:51,460 and then breaks them up and does just an auction site. 529 00:17:51,460 --> 00:17:53,100 I've gotten all kinds of great stuff from them. 530 00:17:53,100 --> 00:17:53,940 It's great. 531 00:17:53,940 --> 00:17:56,020 - So this is like drop ship though too, right, Scott? 532 00:17:56,020 --> 00:17:58,980 Like you could buy like a million of Bose headphones 533 00:17:58,980 --> 00:18:02,740 and all of a sudden and get them stupid cheap and-- 534 00:18:02,740 --> 00:18:03,580 - Mass drop even. 535 00:18:03,580 --> 00:18:04,400 - Mass drop. 536 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,340 So mass drop subscribed. 537 00:18:06,340 --> 00:18:08,320 - And then if you have over inventory at the end, 538 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,380 just sell all the wood or something. 539 00:18:10,380 --> 00:18:13,660 - Ooh, or if you wanted to keep the element of surprise, 540 00:18:13,660 --> 00:18:15,340 right, that you were like, 541 00:18:15,340 --> 00:18:16,860 if you wanna leave it a little bit mysterious, 542 00:18:16,860 --> 00:18:20,760 you just do a silhouette of the item on the shelf. 543 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,080 - Who's that Pokemon? 544 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,320 (laughing) 545 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:29,120 - People buy it based off what they think that probably is. 546 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:31,420 - Next to a banana for $75. 547 00:18:31,420 --> 00:18:32,880 - That looks like a Leo shape. 548 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,760 I'm gonna send that to him. 549 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,960 - That pair of headphones could be a $2,000 Sennheiser set 550 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:38,800 or-- 551 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:39,920 - Or it's like a doll turned sideways. 552 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,520 - Skull candy. 553 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,240 - Or a skull candy, right? 554 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:44,480 - Or a skull candy, yeah. 555 00:18:46,220 --> 00:18:47,480 - Dude, this is cool, Scott. 556 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,100 I think it's just like the experience. 557 00:18:51,100 --> 00:18:54,960 It's like lottery, a subscribed lottery model or something. 558 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,640 'Cause it is random items every month anyway, right? 559 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,180 - Right, yep. 560 00:18:59,180 --> 00:19:01,360 - So that's just interesting. 561 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:03,240 I think there's a missed opportunity 562 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,040 to ship mass amounts of goods 563 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,560 'cause for one of our podcast guests, 564 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,020 it was cheaper or just as cost effective and convenient 565 00:19:12,020 --> 00:19:14,640 to buy a microphone and send it through Amazon 566 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,580 than to ship one of our own personal microphones. 567 00:19:17,580 --> 00:19:19,140 So there's like an element of-- 568 00:19:19,140 --> 00:19:19,980 - Really? 569 00:19:19,980 --> 00:19:23,460 - Why ship it, just buy it? 570 00:19:23,460 --> 00:19:24,980 Maybe there's a whole website 571 00:19:24,980 --> 00:19:26,420 that you can create like that. 572 00:19:26,420 --> 00:19:29,960 Just it's cheaper to buy it.com. 573 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,620 I don't know. 574 00:19:32,620 --> 00:19:34,100 - Make a website that-- 575 00:19:34,100 --> 00:19:36,340 - Three ideas have come from this one. 576 00:19:36,340 --> 00:19:39,020 - Make a website that tracks what you're trying to ship 577 00:19:39,020 --> 00:19:40,780 and then immediately puts an ad that says, 578 00:19:40,780 --> 00:19:42,120 "You could just buy this." 579 00:19:43,260 --> 00:19:44,520 - Dude, honey.com. 580 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:45,360 - Four ideas. 581 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:49,320 - Yeah, honey for things you're trying to ship. 582 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,800 - Okay, I'm gonna add on to this a little bit more, Scott. 583 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,080 This is a fun idea because what if you take like, 584 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:56,220 you just send like, all right, 585 00:19:56,220 --> 00:20:00,680 you mass drop 10 random pieces of art, let's say, 586 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,380 and you can send them to like 10 or five of your friends 587 00:20:03,380 --> 00:20:06,520 and now you all share the same piece of crap 588 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:07,720 all of a sudden, right? 589 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,000 - All five of your friends' wives are mad at you 590 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,160 at the same time, it's great. 591 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,660 - Or it's just like, it's like, 592 00:20:14,660 --> 00:20:17,740 oh, I did this subscription box 593 00:20:17,740 --> 00:20:20,080 and I have to sign up three other friends. 594 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,740 And so now it's like, all right, we're all subscribed 595 00:20:22,740 --> 00:20:25,340 and it's always, we all get shipped the same thing 596 00:20:25,340 --> 00:20:27,180 every month so that we all talk about it. 597 00:20:27,180 --> 00:20:30,080 So if it is a pair of socks, we all got the same pair 598 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,340 and now we can all, did you guys get your mystery box 599 00:20:33,340 --> 00:20:36,380 from scottsocks.com? 600 00:20:36,380 --> 00:20:38,580 - So you just have to sign up three of your friends 601 00:20:38,580 --> 00:20:40,500 and then they have to sign up three friends 602 00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:42,960 and you get a cut every time. 603 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,480 - Very triangle shape. 604 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,200 - No, no, they don't buy it. 605 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,360 You Scott got subscribed 40 bucks a month 606 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:52,840 and you have to add three friends to be a part of this. 607 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:53,680 - Right. - You're gifting it. 608 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,880 - Oh, I'm still the one who paid for everything. 609 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,680 Yeah, okay, I actually like that a lot 610 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,160 'cause when I do send, I gift one of these items 611 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,600 to one of my friends, it comes with our branding 612 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,700 and packaging on it so maybe they'll do it 613 00:21:05,700 --> 00:21:06,880 for someone else then. 614 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,420 And it's like a pyramid scheme. 615 00:21:08,420 --> 00:21:09,920 - It's sideways though. 616 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,880 - No, it's sideways pyramid. 617 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,800 So you start and then you send it to your friends 618 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,520 after three months, they're like, you know what? 619 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,440 I wanna do it with my parents and my siblings. 620 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,920 (laughing) 621 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,040 - Opt out, unsubscribe please. 622 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,600 - That's the beauty, you can't. 623 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,400 (laughing) 624 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,120 - I have to say like my relationship with stuff, 625 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:33,960 like having moved from Michigan to New York 626 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,760 however long ago that was, five, six, seven, eight years ago, 627 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,560 I don't know however long it was. 628 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,240 I'm still getting rid of things that I have had 629 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,800 from Michigan that I'm like, why is this taking up space 630 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:44,800 in my apartment? 631 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,600 Like it's small here guys, every square foot counts. 632 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,400 And the idea of sending people stuff they don't need, 633 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,440 it like deeply hurts me. 634 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,360 (laughing) 635 00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:59,720 Just like that's more stuff that I just can't let go of 636 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,640 because I care about it but just takes up space in my life. 637 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,120 - That's the prank, that's the prank dude. 638 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:08,120 We all got the same beer bottle opener now, 639 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:09,520 you're stuck with it. 640 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,240 - Well that I'll take, you always need more beer bottles. 641 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,520 - See and then we can all shit on the same romper 642 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:15,720 that we're all sharing, right? 643 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,520 Like you send a romper to everybody 644 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,360 and now we're all like, all right. 645 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:21,280 - Did you get a romper? 646 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,600 - No again, that I'll keep, that I would keep. 647 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,120 - You see, you say it so bad. 648 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:28,880 - Romp him is a terrible name. 649 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,460 (upbeat music) 650 00:22:31,460 --> 00:22:35,160 - Okay Russell, what do you got? 651 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,240 - So guys, here's the thing. 652 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:43,240 We have a incredible resource in every local community. 653 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:48,340 It's a, they're called like the community centers 654 00:22:48,340 --> 00:22:50,800 where you go to figure out where, 655 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,020 like as certain as every city has this, 656 00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:55,920 where they get visitors, they have the website, 657 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,960 they tell you about events about a city. 658 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,320 Visitors bureaus, okay. 659 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,920 I know, so these visitor bureaus know all the best spots 660 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,160 to go on dates, they know all the spots to hang out, 661 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,000 the best deals, the best happy hours, 662 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,880 'cause they have to, it's their job to know 663 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,400 and just communicate information to people. 664 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,960 So my idea, this is a Russell's Love Corner idea. 665 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:19,800 - Cue the music. 666 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:20,620 (laughing) 667 00:23:20,620 --> 00:23:21,460 - Is you take, 668 00:23:21,460 --> 00:23:28,880 you take these experts in a geographic region 669 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,800 and you get all these single people 670 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,000 and you work with these small businesses 671 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,240 to bring them all together. 672 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,720 And you say, hey, send me on a date. 673 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,040 You go to these visitor bureaus 674 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,400 and you catch up with people 675 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,340 and the visitors bureaus will match you 676 00:23:43,340 --> 00:23:48,080 with either singles events or hell, even if you're a couple, 677 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,680 they can send you on a date to find like, 678 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,840 all right, this isn't busy on Tuesdays, really good spot. 679 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,200 It's kind of like finding hidden gems 680 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,740 within your local area. 681 00:23:59,740 --> 00:24:03,860 They need money, they need a way to like, 682 00:24:03,860 --> 00:24:06,080 I think connect with not just visitors, 683 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,040 but like the local residents too. 684 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:14,040 So yeah, this is, send me on a date. 685 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,800 - And businesses could pay you to pull in the people. 686 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:17,800 - Yes. 687 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,360 - When businesses come to you and they say, 688 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,840 yeah, can you put me on the books for next Tuesday? 689 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,660 You charge a fee and then suddenly 690 00:24:23,660 --> 00:24:25,120 they have a couple hundred customers or whatever. 691 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:26,200 - I think it could be like, 692 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,160 you could almost have like a date planner, 693 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,840 like on the thing, where you go, 694 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,840 you're like, oh, I've meant to plan a date 695 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,160 with my wife or with my girlfriend, 696 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,720 or the person who I asked out on a date, 697 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,040 now I don't know where to take them. 698 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,360 You could like, yeah, you could go on the thing 699 00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:42,520 and just be like, I need a date. 700 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:43,760 Like, what am I doing? 701 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,400 And it could like come up with like a schedule for the day. 702 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,120 - Burst into the bureau, I need a date. 703 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:51,560 - I'll be honest, I tried to make this a singles app idea 704 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,440 because I thought it'd be better, but you know what? 705 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,400 It is actually why I wrote it down, 706 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,680 is because every once in a while, 707 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,840 it's like my anniversary, 708 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,280 I've been to every fricking restaurant in this area 709 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,000 and just some like, mix it up, please, somebody, anybody. 710 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,360 And so I called the visitors bureau and they're like, 711 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:08,920 have you tried this place and this place and this place? 712 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,200 Sure enough, there's like three places I've never heard of 713 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,400 within 20 minutes of here. 714 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,560 I'm like, thank you so much. 715 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,840 Everybody should use you. 716 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,400 You were the matchmaker of better, 717 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,720 no, sorry, making my life better through visitors bureaus. 718 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,160 - I think the couples that already exist 719 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,800 still count as part of your love corner. 720 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:26,640 - You are, yeah. 721 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,800 - You're just a guru. 722 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:28,920 - Just a guru. 723 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,480 I'm just trying to streamline relationships. 724 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:32,560 - No, I think that's a good idea. 725 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,840 I mean, like here in Brooklyn, 726 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,040 we have a lot of like things in the city that are known 727 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,800 and exist, like for instance, 728 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,400 we have the botanical gardens 729 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,240 or actually Greenwood Cemetery, 730 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,200 as weird as it says to be a cemetery, 731 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,280 the cemetery is actually really cool. 732 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,760 And they have events, they have things like, 733 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:57,520 they have classes on like apiaries, 734 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,040 like handling apiaries and bees in the cemetery. 735 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,560 They have, they actually, this last summer I went to, 736 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,360 they had like fire jugglers and like circus performers. 737 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:09,680 - Circus performers? 738 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,440 - Yeah, yeah, no. 739 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,280 - What? 740 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,720 - Like, because it's like, you know, I don't know. 741 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,080 Some people are still buried there, 742 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,560 but it's like a historical cemetery. 743 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,920 I mean, it's like back civil war cemetery. 744 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,120 - I'm picturing fire jugglers 745 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:26,960 and then like a morning young kid over in the corner there. 746 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,880 - They still need to make money, you know, 747 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,680 but it's not like anyone's buying plots. 748 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:31,880 - Got it, got it, got it. 749 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:32,720 - Pre-buy. 750 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,960 - But it's huge and it's beautiful and it is great, 751 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,760 but like not just the cemetery, but all these things. 752 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,120 They have events, but I never know when they are. 753 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:41,840 I never know, like, and I can check their website, 754 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,680 I can check their whatever. 755 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,360 But if it was like, hey, no, this Saturday, 756 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:46,320 I planned to, you know, my wife and I wanted to go out 757 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,760 and do something, then it could be like, 758 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,040 hey, here's the events in Brooklyn that are going on 759 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,240 and make it, you know, make a plan 760 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,080 or make a day out of it. 761 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,040 - This is, yes. 762 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,760 - 'Cause like, it's really hard to host an event 763 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:58,600 and create events. 764 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,040 So it works on the other side and you're like, 765 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,000 oh, I'm gonna make this event, 766 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,480 but I don't know who's gonna show up. 767 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,160 Well, if you have this whole visitors bureau of people 768 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,560 with a list, it's like, I got a hundred people 769 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,200 looking for date ideas. 770 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,520 Just come up with a date night, segment, 771 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,120 or like buy one, get one pizza, flatbread, 772 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,400 and my wife and I will be there, you know? 773 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,240 So. 774 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,080 - Right. 775 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:19,920 - Totally. 776 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:20,760 - No, I like that. 777 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,280 - It works both ways, yeah. 778 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,480 Would you guys use this? 779 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,280 We're all married, we're all married men. 780 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,560 - Yeah, no, I totally, 1000%. 781 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,400 - I would. 782 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,240 - I totally. 783 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,080 - Absolutely use it. 784 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,160 - I'm thinking of all the, like, 785 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,400 there's a hundred that have tried this. 786 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,440 You know, you got your like Facebook local events 787 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:35,400 and you've got your whatever. 788 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,120 I'm trying to think where, why has it fallen short? 789 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:39,920 It's just the visitors bureau is brilliant. 790 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,400 I never think to go to them for anything ever. 791 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,480 - They actually have the information. 792 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,720 - And they don't need to make money. 793 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:46,560 - Yeah. 794 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,320 - That's really what it comes down to is there's no, 795 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,480 there's no business for them. 796 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,400 They can lose money doing this. 797 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,240 - Yeah. 798 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,520 - Well, what if you, would you pay money for this? 799 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,360 - No. 800 00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:59,040 - Instant, instant date. 801 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,480 What if they saved you money? 802 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,360 - The money comes from the businesses. 803 00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:03,840 I don't think you need to charge the people. 804 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:04,680 - Yeah, I'm not paying for it. 805 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:05,520 - Why not? 806 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,200 - Your local restaurants go to the visitors bureau 807 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,600 and they pay a little bit for the cannon of the, 808 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,720 the fire hose of people that the visitors bureau 809 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:12,560 send their way. 810 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,240 - You all know we're all going to password share. 811 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,080 (laughing) 812 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:15,920 - Like what? 813 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,200 - Subscribe. 814 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,160 - Okay, so then. 815 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,000 - Yeah, no. 816 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,000 - What if, what if you, when you subscribed, 817 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,920 you always got the couple's discount. 818 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,480 So you were always making money. 819 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,260 It was, it was, it was, as long as you use their service, 820 00:28:28,260 --> 00:28:29,860 you were making 10 bucks a month. 821 00:28:29,860 --> 00:28:32,120 And then every time you use their service, 822 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:33,560 you get a $10 coupon. 823 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:34,600 - Now you're having to make a new, 824 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,280 now they have to make a deal with the business. 825 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,640 They're not going to get some businesses 826 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,520 because they can't abide by the deal. 827 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,720 - Businesses. 828 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,280 - Then it's not, it doesn't encompass everything. 829 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,280 I want it to encompass everything. 830 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:45,120 - Well, it's. 831 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,880 - Russell, I almost like your variation of, 832 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,000 you're the one who physically called this tourism bureau. 833 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,080 You got the names and the cool ideas. 834 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,560 Can we utilize that part where this is a separate business 835 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,080 where we're using the bureau as a resource 836 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,680 in order to create our own catalog of cool things 837 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:01,720 in each city? 838 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,480 - So just, you're siphoning government money. 839 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:05,520 - Right. - I got it. 840 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,360 - Give me all the information you have 841 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,060 and I'm going to commercialize it. 842 00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:11,360 (laughing) 843 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,020 It's public, I paid for your tax dollars. 844 00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:16,280 (laughing) 845 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,160 - Just scraping their website. 846 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,120 (laughing) 847 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,600 - Well, I don't know, I kind of like that he talked 848 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,940 to a real person here who actually knows the town 849 00:29:25,940 --> 00:29:27,200 inside and out and it's not just. 850 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,120 - Yeah, I like that too. 851 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,580 - SEO boosted article saying how Russ's 852 00:29:30,580 --> 00:29:33,120 is the best restaurant in West Michigan or something. 853 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,600 - That's the thing, I can't trust like these blog posts 854 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,280 anymore, travel, like Yelp. 855 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,280 Everybody's figured out a way to like break the reviews. 856 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,160 - Yeah. - You know, 857 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,820 and you're like, what am I? 858 00:29:42,820 --> 00:29:43,800 I can't look for anything. 859 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:44,960 I'm just going to find it myself 860 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,720 or like look at the menus online now all the time, so. 861 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,240 - That's your value prop. 862 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,760 This was told us by a real person who works for the city. 863 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:54,640 - That's right. 864 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,920 You have like people that spend their whole life 865 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,640 just every day. 866 00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,480 - And that's how you know it's good. 867 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,400 - Thinking about the best places for Russell to go on a date. 868 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,200 - Yes, yes. 869 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,040 Listen, sometimes you just need like, 870 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,040 you know how many freaking dates you're responsible for? 871 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,000 We're all Ford's married dudes. 872 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,240 So you're responsible for the birthday date, 873 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,400 the anniversary date, the Valentine's day, 874 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,840 the every single one. 875 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,960 It's just like, can't we just outsource one of the 10 876 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,560 that we're responsible for? 877 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,400 (laughing) 878 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,240 - Can't I just outsource one of them? 879 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,560 - Carrie doesn't listen to this stuff, right? 880 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,280 She doesn't listen to this podcast. 881 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,520 - I think her, her dad, some other people. 882 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,840 (laughing) 883 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:33,680 - Listen, listen. 884 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:34,840 - It's like half our subscribers. 885 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,300 - Sir, anything I can do to automate my relationship 886 00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:38,140 with my wife? 887 00:30:38,140 --> 00:30:39,360 (laughing) 888 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:40,360 It's too much work. 889 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,280 - You know she's standing behind you right now, Russell. 890 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,240 - Oh no. 891 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,680 - There are other ways to show that you care 892 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,960 about your significant other. 893 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,400 Sometimes it's not making a decision on where to go to eat, 894 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,280 which is, or where to do. 895 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,000 Like sometimes you just need to like, what's a good, 896 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,200 I've done the make your own pasta thing. 897 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,800 I've done the make your own candle thing. 898 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,860 Like paint and pour. 899 00:31:03,860 --> 00:31:06,440 Everybody that I know is in a long-term relationship 900 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,840 has a picture that you and your significant other 901 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,040 have painted together probably and it's hanging somewhere. 902 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,240 It's like we're running out of date ideas. 903 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,400 - See, Scott's going. 904 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:18,240 - As a date. 905 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,840 - See, we need more of those. 906 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:22,840 - What'd you have there, Scott? 907 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,440 - That's the painting that him and CJ painted, right? 908 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,080 Right behind you. 909 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,080 - I love that, the boat he's got behind him. 910 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:31,920 - The other one. 911 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,280 - My aunt actually painted that one. 912 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,720 - See, Leo, what you said is what every guy, 913 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,880 you know, when I bring this up would say to me, 914 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,960 they're like, oh, you're not romantic enough. 915 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,020 It's like, no, I've been romantic many times. 916 00:31:45,020 --> 00:31:47,720 It's 10 years, 20 years now. 917 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,080 I need something new. 918 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,520 But I will go make a knife with my significant other 919 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,800 if it means that it's something different. 920 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:54,640 Do you know what I mean? 921 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,800 - Sure, absolutely. 922 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,960 - It's about having all the information. 923 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,960 It's not about automating it. 924 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,280 It's about having all the information. 925 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,040 Having something bring to you all the options 926 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,880 that you never would have thought of. 927 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,120 - But tailored to where you're currently living. 928 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,640 I love that. 929 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,680 - Well, hopefully you can get there within a day. 930 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,580 - Okay, Doyle, I think you hit something 931 00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:19,500 that I'm really excited about now, like knife making. 932 00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:21,340 But then like, what? 933 00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:22,980 - Oh, they have, no, that wasn't a joke. 934 00:32:22,980 --> 00:32:24,080 They have that here. 935 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,900 They have it like, yeah, yeah, it's expensive as hell, 936 00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:28,180 but they have it. 937 00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:29,980 And then you can be like, I love you so much 938 00:32:29,980 --> 00:32:31,380 that I forged this knife with you 939 00:32:31,380 --> 00:32:34,300 and you can kill me at any moment with it. 940 00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:36,460 And that's just how much I trust you. 941 00:32:36,460 --> 00:32:37,780 - That is weirdly and scary romantic. 942 00:32:37,780 --> 00:32:40,380 - See, you could, like, there are a bunch of like, 943 00:32:40,380 --> 00:32:42,820 let's say you're a wood shop, right? 944 00:32:42,820 --> 00:32:45,420 And you literally manufacture wood products. 945 00:32:45,420 --> 00:32:47,600 All of a sudden, the Visitor's Bureau is like, 946 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,380 hey, we have like 100 couples looking for dates 947 00:32:50,380 --> 00:32:51,740 and calling every month. 948 00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:54,860 Would you create a class once a month 949 00:32:54,860 --> 00:32:57,340 for making a birdhouse? 950 00:32:57,340 --> 00:33:00,140 And now all of a sudden, businesses are like, oh, shoot. 951 00:33:00,140 --> 00:33:00,980 Maybe I-- 952 00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:02,180 - That's a good add-on, I like that. 953 00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:03,700 - Add something crazy. 954 00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:06,020 And it's more about the Visitor's Bureau 955 00:33:06,020 --> 00:33:09,480 being like a network of, or a holder of all these couples 956 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,760 in the local community and redirecting them 957 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,580 to businesses 'cause, man, I don't know. 958 00:33:15,580 --> 00:33:17,340 If you guys aren't romantic enough out there 959 00:33:17,340 --> 00:33:19,260 and you've run out of ideas, it's 10 years. 960 00:33:19,260 --> 00:33:21,380 That means you have to have how many, like, wait, 961 00:33:21,380 --> 00:33:22,580 let me, what's the number? 962 00:33:22,580 --> 00:33:24,020 Somebody do a number crunch here. 963 00:33:24,020 --> 00:33:24,860 - Right, no, the-- 964 00:33:24,860 --> 00:33:26,220 - 10 dates a year. 965 00:33:26,220 --> 00:33:27,780 You've been in a relationship for 10 years. 966 00:33:27,780 --> 00:33:31,020 That means you have to figure out 100 things to do. 967 00:33:31,020 --> 00:33:32,420 That's not that much, is it? 968 00:33:32,420 --> 00:33:33,260 - Yeah. 969 00:33:33,260 --> 00:33:34,080 (laughing) 970 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,660 (upbeat music) 971 00:33:36,660 --> 00:33:41,300 - All right, Leo, what do you got? 972 00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:43,540 - All right, I have a friend and colleague 973 00:33:43,540 --> 00:33:45,200 who is the coolest person in the world. 974 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,560 Hello, Reagan, if you are listening. 975 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:52,560 She plays fantasy Great British Bake Off with 10 friends. 976 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,220 They buy in, they not only choose, like, 977 00:33:55,220 --> 00:33:56,280 who's gonna be Star Baker 978 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,000 and who's gonna be going out this week, 979 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,660 but they also do, like, will Paul Hollywood 980 00:34:00,660 --> 00:34:02,040 be in the intro this week, 981 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,320 and will Noel be wearing a shirt with an animal on it? 982 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,200 And they put in real money for it, 983 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,560 and they have a whole system with Google Forms 984 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,160 and spreadsheets to decide how people are winning. 985 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,660 I think this is the coolest thing in the world, right? 986 00:34:14,660 --> 00:34:17,880 My pitch this week, yeah, this is not the pitch. 987 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,880 The pitch is, why is there no fantasy sports app 988 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,820 but for custom things? 989 00:34:24,820 --> 00:34:26,340 Like, I'm gonna be the commissioner 990 00:34:26,340 --> 00:34:29,240 of the Fantasy Survivor League. 991 00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:30,080 - Oh, man. 992 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,840 - I'm gonna be the fantasy 993 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,640 Keeping Up With The Kardashians commissioner for this year. 994 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,740 Will there be a fight between X and Y or whatever? 995 00:34:38,740 --> 00:34:41,280 So there is a custom fantasy sports app. 996 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,200 It doesn't seem great. 997 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,560 Somebody's sort of started this idea, 998 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:45,980 but it doesn't pull from anything. 999 00:34:45,980 --> 00:34:47,460 You're on the hook for manual whatever. 1000 00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:50,380 If you go to the season of Great British Bake Off 1001 00:34:50,380 --> 00:34:53,200 on Wikipedia, there are detailed charts 1002 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,040 with what each person made, who was Star Baker, 1003 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:56,940 who got voted out. 1004 00:34:56,940 --> 00:34:58,840 It's all on the internet. 1005 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,500 So we need to automate the idea 1006 00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:03,520 and build the league for people. 1007 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:04,980 You can have suggestions. 1008 00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:07,120 You can even feed all this into GPT-4 and say, 1009 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,280 hey, how would you structure a game 1010 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,920 that's built off of this TV show, this movie. 1011 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,240 - Here's all the information about it. 1012 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:16,240 - Let's play fantasy. 1013 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:18,600 What's gonna be in the movie theaters this fall 1014 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:19,440 and what will do well? 1015 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,100 Fantasy Oscars, right? 1016 00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:24,360 You can do all sorts of things where you structure the data 1017 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,440 and you have points, you have bidding, 1018 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,000 however you wanna build it, 1019 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,500 where the app keeps track of it for you, right? 1020 00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:33,840 And then you can pull all this stuff from Wikipedia, 1021 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,120 from Twitter, from whatever you wanna pull it from 1022 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,520 and make it automated. 1023 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,720 'Cause nobody is going into their fantasy sports app 1024 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,080 and entering in what the score was 1025 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,540 between the Buffalo Bills and the whoever this week, right? 1026 00:35:45,540 --> 00:35:46,840 The beauty of it is that it takes care 1027 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:47,740 of all that stuff for you. 1028 00:35:47,740 --> 00:35:49,000 And that doesn't exist yet. 1029 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,040 And I want it to, both for my friend, Reagan, 1030 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,340 and for the world. 1031 00:35:52,340 --> 00:35:53,760 - Okay, two things. 1032 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,920 One, that is a fantastic idea. 1033 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,200 I love this. 1034 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,640 Two, "Breaking Bad" season six, 1035 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,040 we were living in college and a bunch of guys at the time 1036 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,560 when that came out, and we had a whiteboard in our kitchen, 1037 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,600 a huge whiteboard with everyone's bet 1038 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,280 about what was gonna happen for the next episode each week. 1039 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,680 Is Hank gonna die this week? 1040 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,240 Or is this guy gonna get captured? 1041 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:15,080 And blah, blah, blah. 1042 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,400 And we took that very seriously. 1043 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,360 And I love this. 1044 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,680 - I love this idea too. 1045 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,200 I mean, I've never wanted to be in a fantasy league 1046 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,200 of any sort until you just said the words, 1047 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,080 Great British fantasy league. 1048 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,080 - It's so cool. 1049 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:33,080 - And yes, number one, yes, I want that. 1050 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,920 And B, no, I mean, I think it needs a platform. 1051 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,280 I mean, it's a huge growing industry, 1052 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,440 so much so that John Oliver did a thing 1053 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,520 saying it needs to stop. 1054 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,360 - Oh, wow. 1055 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:44,180 - And of course-- - That's how you know 1056 00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:45,020 it's good. 1057 00:36:45,020 --> 00:36:45,860 - No, not really. 1058 00:36:45,860 --> 00:36:48,920 Just like the FanDuel and DraftKings 1059 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,920 and all that is getting insane. 1060 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,020 But anyways, all that aside. 1061 00:36:53,020 --> 00:36:56,520 No, like, yeah, it should be pretty simple 1062 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,720 in the sense of you should be able to decide 1063 00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:04,440 what data is being tracked or being, 1064 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,640 and then, I mean, I think you'd still have to put the data 1065 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:07,480 in a bit, right? 1066 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,360 Like, it doesn't know if the Kardashians 1067 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,720 got in a fight that episode. 1068 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:13,080 Like, that's, you know what I mean? 1069 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,140 Unless you're having AI try to determine 1070 00:37:15,140 --> 00:37:17,680 from like the transcript of the closed captions 1071 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:18,920 of the show, maybe. 1072 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,880 - Under over on how many times they curse 1073 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,000 or whatever it is, yeah. 1074 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,760 - But if you can just put the data in once, 1075 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,260 if you can just be watching the episode 1076 00:37:26,260 --> 00:37:28,080 and be like, it has a list of things 1077 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:28,920 that people are betting on 1078 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,320 and then your commissioner or whatever is like, 1079 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,440 yep, that happened. 1080 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,440 Yep, this whatever. 1081 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,160 But then it gives you all the stats, 1082 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,960 all the breakdowns, all the tables, 1083 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,240 all the whatever after, 1084 00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:39,600 which is just data entry once, I think is due. 1085 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,040 - You could have voting. 1086 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,040 Yeah, you could have like everyone have to reach a consensus 1087 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,640 on whether or not that counted as a thing, you know? 1088 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,000 Have it all be voted in there. 1089 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:48,840 Yeah. 1090 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,560 - Guys, this is how FanDuel and DraftKings 1091 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,320 breaks into a whole market segment 1092 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,560 of women that haven't thought about gambling, 1093 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,600 but know that that person's gonna get the rose 1094 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,880 on The Bachelor, 1095 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,960 that knows that they're gonna like, 1096 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,280 the reality TV show segment is insane. 1097 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,200 And so you just are like, 1098 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,600 hey, how much do you actually know that? 1099 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,800 And then you have guys sitting on their FanDuel app 1100 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,680 all of a sudden that's like, 1101 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,680 hey, I got 50 bucks on a Bachelor gambling, you know? 1102 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,280 Maybe I'll just ask my-- 1103 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,120 - Bachelor gambling. 1104 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:23,960 - Yeah, all right. 1105 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:24,780 You guys watch The Bachelor, 1106 00:38:24,780 --> 00:38:25,700 like all of a sudden, you know, 1107 00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:27,720 you start asking your friends about The Bachelor 1108 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,280 and they will tell you everything about it. 1109 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,040 Who's up next, who do you think is gonna get gone? 1110 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:33,880 And now you're like, 1111 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,120 I just, I think I'm just gonna bet 50 bucks. 1112 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,760 - Who's gonna be the next Bachelorette? 1113 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,080 - There are Vegas odds for everything. 1114 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,480 And if you could get into some of those APIs for, 1115 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,000 you know, who's gonna be the next speaker of the house 1116 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,080 or whatever, people are bidding on all this stuff. 1117 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,840 Only you're just making it for like your friends. 1118 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,200 - Vegas will just give that away. 1119 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,720 - I remember seeing the Vegas odds 1120 00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:55,160 of who's gonna get the Iron Throne 1121 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,140 in like season six of Game of Thrones 1122 00:38:57,140 --> 00:38:58,920 and they had all of their bets up. 1123 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,660 - Dude, we did this in college with, 1124 00:39:00,660 --> 00:39:04,100 what was the one, two armies fighting 1125 00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:05,140 against Deadliest Warrior? 1126 00:39:05,140 --> 00:39:05,980 - That's it. 1127 00:39:05,980 --> 00:39:07,220 - On Spike TV. 1128 00:39:07,220 --> 00:39:08,060 - World's Deadliest? 1129 00:39:08,060 --> 00:39:10,820 - He gave us the show World's Deadliest Warrior 1130 00:39:10,820 --> 00:39:13,100 where they just have two random people in history, 1131 00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:15,260 like I'm gonna take a pirate and fight a knight 1132 00:39:15,260 --> 00:39:16,500 or something, who's gonna win? 1133 00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:19,560 Or a Spetsnaz soldier against a World War II Marine 1134 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:20,800 or something. 1135 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,440 But they would give you the list of who's fighting who 1136 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,060 at the beginning of each season. 1137 00:39:25,060 --> 00:39:26,940 And we had huge betting pools of, 1138 00:39:26,940 --> 00:39:28,580 I think this person's gonna win this one 1139 00:39:28,580 --> 00:39:29,860 and this one's gonna win this one. 1140 00:39:29,860 --> 00:39:32,340 Yeah, Russell, that's an excellent example. 1141 00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:34,740 - What if this app, okay, say you're 1142 00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:37,420 in a Great British Bake Off pool, right? 1143 00:39:37,420 --> 00:39:41,260 And there's probably 10, 100, 1,000 1144 00:39:41,260 --> 00:39:43,100 other Great British Bake Off pools, right? 1145 00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:46,340 Now people are placing their bets in their own pool 1146 00:39:46,340 --> 00:39:51,340 but our app looks across pools to aggregate the odds. 1147 00:39:51,340 --> 00:39:54,940 - Figures out what the most popular types of bets are 1148 00:39:54,940 --> 00:39:56,440 and what not. 1149 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,460 Right, what people think is gonna happen. 1150 00:39:59,460 --> 00:40:02,660 And then adjust the odds for everybody's pools 1151 00:40:02,660 --> 00:40:06,020 based off of all the pools and what people are betting on. 1152 00:40:06,020 --> 00:40:09,300 - The tech podcast Hard Fork a couple months ago 1153 00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:10,140 talked about this. 1154 00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:14,140 They had one of the two guys went and did a, 1155 00:40:14,140 --> 00:40:16,660 I think this was a New York Times thing. 1156 00:40:16,660 --> 00:40:21,660 So there's a whole world around forecasting nerds, 1157 00:40:21,660 --> 00:40:23,860 the manifold markets. 1158 00:40:23,860 --> 00:40:25,660 And it's, yeah, it's this exact thing. 1159 00:40:25,660 --> 00:40:29,900 They take, will the CEO of Twitter still be Linda Riccarino 1160 00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:31,420 in six months from now, yes or no? 1161 00:40:31,420 --> 00:40:33,660 And there people are all betting real money on it. 1162 00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:35,660 Manifold.markets, that's the one. 1163 00:40:35,660 --> 00:40:39,300 But the idea is like, can you use the wisdom of the crowds 1164 00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:43,660 to guess how will the Israel-Hamas war end or whatever? 1165 00:40:43,660 --> 00:40:46,580 - Oh, that's crazy. 1166 00:40:46,580 --> 00:40:49,300 - House speaker, SBF trial, will he be guilty? 1167 00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:51,500 Or will we get a government shutdown? 1168 00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:53,380 That's a current thing that's being threatened right now 1169 00:40:53,380 --> 00:40:54,220 or whatever. 1170 00:40:54,220 --> 00:40:55,060 It's crazy. 1171 00:40:55,060 --> 00:40:58,020 And you can actually do real data science off of this. 1172 00:40:58,020 --> 00:41:00,060 People always say like, I bet you $10 1173 00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:01,900 that X is gonna happen next week. 1174 00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:04,180 Oh yeah, well, let's put your money where your mouth is. 1175 00:41:04,180 --> 00:41:05,020 Let's do it. 1176 00:41:05,020 --> 00:41:06,540 That's the idea of manifold markets now. 1177 00:41:06,540 --> 00:41:07,580 - I mean, he was right. 1178 00:41:07,580 --> 00:41:08,740 Twitter did become X. 1179 00:41:08,740 --> 00:41:10,900 (laughing) 1180 00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:11,740 - Boo. 1181 00:41:11,740 --> 00:41:14,780 Yes, it did. 1182 00:41:14,780 --> 00:41:16,180 Cultural vandalism. 1183 00:41:16,180 --> 00:41:17,780 I wanna be on the record about that. 1184 00:41:17,780 --> 00:41:21,220 But yeah, turning that but a game amongst friends, 1185 00:41:21,220 --> 00:41:22,940 I think is the key that nobody's done yet. 1186 00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:24,620 - I think keeping it amongst friends 1187 00:41:24,620 --> 00:41:29,060 also honestly puts you legally more in the safe zone 1188 00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:32,020 in the sense that once you get into like serious betting 1189 00:41:32,020 --> 00:41:34,300 outside of like a small group of friends, 1190 00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:37,180 that's where you kind of, where things get more regulated. 1191 00:41:37,180 --> 00:41:39,180 And that's where like the problems with FanDuel 1192 00:41:39,180 --> 00:41:41,780 and DraftKings is kind of coming from. 1193 00:41:41,780 --> 00:41:45,500 But like if you can keep it, there's less money. 1194 00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:47,340 To be honest, there's less money being made 1195 00:41:47,340 --> 00:41:49,700 if you keep it with people, with friends. 1196 00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:51,940 But I think legally, 1197 00:41:51,940 --> 00:41:53,620 and some would argue orally, 1198 00:41:53,620 --> 00:41:57,700 probably better to keep it like office pools. 1199 00:41:57,700 --> 00:42:00,220 - Fantasy is so fun 1200 00:42:00,220 --> 00:42:01,940 that I don't really care about the NFL too much 1201 00:42:01,940 --> 00:42:03,700 and I still enjoy fantasy football. 1202 00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:07,060 It's the decision-making coaching side of things. 1203 00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:08,540 And there's a lot of things 1204 00:42:08,540 --> 00:42:11,100 that I care a lot more about than football 1205 00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:13,740 that I would love to fantasize. 1206 00:42:13,740 --> 00:42:15,900 - Fantasize? 1207 00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:18,020 - I don't wanna fantasize them. 1208 00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:19,260 I don't think that's what that means. 1209 00:42:19,260 --> 00:42:21,860 (upbeat music) 1210 00:42:21,860 --> 00:42:25,460 - All right, Doyle, what do you got for us this week? 1211 00:42:25,460 --> 00:42:27,060 - All right, I have a couple ideas, 1212 00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:30,660 but I have one that I decided to share for this 1213 00:42:30,660 --> 00:42:33,820 because I feel like time is of the essence 1214 00:42:33,820 --> 00:42:35,980 before somebody does it. 1215 00:42:35,980 --> 00:42:36,820 And I just wanna say- 1216 00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:38,060 - I just wanna say I thought of it first. 1217 00:42:38,060 --> 00:42:39,100 - Yes. - I saw you. 1218 00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:41,060 - Yes. - I knew it. 1219 00:42:41,060 --> 00:42:43,900 - Write it in an envelope, mail it to yourself. 1220 00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:45,060 - Right, yeah, exactly. 1221 00:42:45,060 --> 00:42:48,300 But anyways, so I'm sure you guys are all familiar 1222 00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:52,180 with the low-code, no-code movement of apps. 1223 00:42:52,180 --> 00:42:53,020 - Oh, sure. 1224 00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:54,980 - Of creating apps in the sense that 1225 00:42:54,980 --> 00:42:59,460 there's not enough trained programmers and coders 1226 00:42:59,460 --> 00:43:01,700 or whatever to make all the new apps 1227 00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:03,140 with all the new updates for everything, 1228 00:43:03,140 --> 00:43:04,660 always, all at once. 1229 00:43:04,660 --> 00:43:07,140 So they've come up with a lot of things. 1230 00:43:07,140 --> 00:43:10,860 They've come up with node-based making of apps 1231 00:43:10,860 --> 00:43:12,940 and dragging and dropping elements 1232 00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:15,380 to have it write its own CSS, HTML, whatever. 1233 00:43:15,380 --> 00:43:18,900 I was thinking you take a UI like Unreal Engine. 1234 00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:20,820 Are you guys familiar with how Unreal Engine 1235 00:43:20,820 --> 00:43:22,100 does its programming? 1236 00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:24,780 For anybody who's not, the idea for Unreal Engine is 1237 00:43:24,780 --> 00:43:26,140 it has all the things out of the box 1238 00:43:26,140 --> 00:43:28,740 that you might need to put onto a screen, right? 1239 00:43:28,740 --> 00:43:31,580 But when you get down to how two objects 1240 00:43:31,580 --> 00:43:33,620 or two things should interact, 1241 00:43:33,620 --> 00:43:35,780 you can pull pre-written code 1242 00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:37,700 that's just shown to you in a little box 1243 00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:40,140 and on the left has inputs and on the right has output. 1244 00:43:40,140 --> 00:43:41,700 And when it comes down to programming, 1245 00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:45,060 everything is just sort of inputs and output, right? 1246 00:43:45,060 --> 00:43:47,140 So you take your user input node 1247 00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:49,660 and you hook it up into a little black box 1248 00:43:49,660 --> 00:43:52,380 and then that little black box does something 1249 00:43:52,380 --> 00:43:53,220 and outputs it. 1250 00:43:53,220 --> 00:43:54,540 Now the programmer's job is to know 1251 00:43:54,540 --> 00:43:55,980 what's in that little black box. 1252 00:43:55,980 --> 00:43:58,900 But now we have AI programmers. 1253 00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:01,700 So I can just tell the AI, 1254 00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:06,300 I want these inputs to have these outputs every time. 1255 00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:08,060 And maybe I hook it up to a database 1256 00:44:08,060 --> 00:44:11,740 and then it will write the code again and again and again 1257 00:44:11,740 --> 00:44:14,260 until it passes all your tests. 1258 00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:16,100 And then now you have a little box 1259 00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:17,740 that does one specific thing 1260 00:44:17,740 --> 00:44:19,460 and you do that one by one by one 1261 00:44:19,460 --> 00:44:21,060 for like node-based graph 1262 00:44:21,060 --> 00:44:23,500 of how you want your data flow for your app to go. 1263 00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:24,740 - Like a flow chart, you mean? 1264 00:44:24,740 --> 00:44:26,340 Node-based, you mean flow charting, yeah. 1265 00:44:26,340 --> 00:44:28,980 - Yeah, like a flow chart sort of, you know? 1266 00:44:28,980 --> 00:44:31,020 Kind of in the same way that Unity does, 1267 00:44:31,020 --> 00:44:34,180 you can grab little code blocks that you move around 1268 00:44:34,180 --> 00:44:35,860 and you have them all interact with each other. 1269 00:44:35,860 --> 00:44:38,780 But now I don't have to know how to write any of it. 1270 00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:41,140 I just am describing to the AI 1271 00:44:41,140 --> 00:44:42,900 what I want each box to do. 1272 00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:45,900 Small, contained, solvable problems, 1273 00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:50,620 but I'm giving it the larger algorithmic architecture 1274 00:44:50,620 --> 00:44:51,460 of the app. 1275 00:44:51,460 --> 00:44:52,820 - I'd use this, yeah, absolutely. 1276 00:44:52,820 --> 00:44:54,700 - And then if you want, you can go under the hood, 1277 00:44:54,700 --> 00:44:56,900 look at the code, fix something if it's simple 1278 00:44:56,900 --> 00:44:58,340 or if you know, or if you do have knowledge, 1279 00:44:58,340 --> 00:45:01,020 you can tell it to write the whole thing 1280 00:45:01,020 --> 00:45:01,980 in a language you know 1281 00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:04,900 so that you have the better ability to debug it. 1282 00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:08,380 But all it knows is inputs and outputs. 1283 00:45:08,380 --> 00:45:09,340 - You know what's funny, Doyle? 1284 00:45:09,340 --> 00:45:11,100 Like in coding, there's this thing 1285 00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:12,580 called test-driven development. 1286 00:45:12,580 --> 00:45:13,420 - Yeah. 1287 00:45:13,420 --> 00:45:14,620 - Where you write these tests 1288 00:45:14,620 --> 00:45:19,220 and all the coders are supposed to do is pass the tests. 1289 00:45:19,220 --> 00:45:21,100 And so in a way, you've just said, 1290 00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:23,820 the people that write tests, which are like, 1291 00:45:23,820 --> 00:45:27,860 I don't think typically the senior level coders 1292 00:45:27,860 --> 00:45:30,620 can become the developers themselves 1293 00:45:30,620 --> 00:45:32,820 because they just write really good tests. 1294 00:45:32,820 --> 00:45:35,460 And so the stronger their tests that they build, 1295 00:45:35,460 --> 00:45:38,740 you're just like, AI, solve for these tests. 1296 00:45:38,740 --> 00:45:41,860 And all of a sudden you have a working app, more or less, 1297 00:45:41,860 --> 00:45:45,860 right, maybe without any UI, but you just have, boom, 1298 00:45:45,860 --> 00:45:47,140 now it works. 1299 00:45:47,140 --> 00:45:50,460 And all of a sudden you just have the AI future, man. 1300 00:45:50,460 --> 00:45:51,940 It's gonna be crazy. 1301 00:45:51,940 --> 00:45:53,980 - Yeah, you know, people are talking about how AI 1302 00:45:53,980 --> 00:45:56,700 is gonna be writing all these programs themselves. 1303 00:45:56,700 --> 00:45:57,860 It's gonna be whatever. 1304 00:45:57,860 --> 00:45:59,580 And I just kind of was thinking to myself, 1305 00:45:59,580 --> 00:46:01,340 well, what would it really look like? 1306 00:46:01,340 --> 00:46:03,860 What does it really look like when we have AI 1307 00:46:03,860 --> 00:46:08,100 able to program accurately, correctly most of the time, 1308 00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:10,340 which it's pretty close now, but all that to say, 1309 00:46:10,340 --> 00:46:11,540 like, what did those jobs look like? 1310 00:46:11,540 --> 00:46:13,740 Those jobs look like people writing tests 1311 00:46:13,740 --> 00:46:16,900 and creating the overall architecture of an app, 1312 00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:19,260 but not necessarily writing each, 1313 00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:21,340 every implementation of every little thing. 1314 00:46:21,340 --> 00:46:23,860 - I feel like I have just enough coding strength 1315 00:46:23,860 --> 00:46:27,260 to make small, really niche services for myself 1316 00:46:27,260 --> 00:46:30,260 and not quite enough to like build a few apps 1317 00:46:30,260 --> 00:46:31,740 that I would like to be able to build. 1318 00:46:31,740 --> 00:46:34,700 And if I were to break it down with a tool 1319 00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:35,620 like what you're describing, 1320 00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:37,780 I think that would put it just within arm's reach. 1321 00:46:37,780 --> 00:46:39,100 I would love something like this. 1322 00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:40,620 - Right, right. 1323 00:46:40,620 --> 00:46:42,740 - I wonder if you could apply this to like other things too. 1324 00:46:42,740 --> 00:46:44,260 Like, I guess when you're thinking about AI, 1325 00:46:44,260 --> 00:46:48,820 it's like, oh, I want to 3D print a thing 1326 00:46:48,820 --> 00:46:53,300 and you just keep running a 3D print until it gets it right. 1327 00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:57,300 I want to be able to capture a bug faster 1328 00:46:57,300 --> 00:47:00,820 and you just let the AI randomly, 1329 00:47:00,820 --> 00:47:03,540 well, I guess you don't need a 3D printer to do that. 1330 00:47:03,540 --> 00:47:05,500 You could just have it generate that. 1331 00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:08,020 But I guess, you know, it's- 1332 00:47:08,020 --> 00:47:09,980 - Well, it generates 10,000 iterations 1333 00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:13,260 and the test that you've defined is efficiency 1334 00:47:13,260 --> 00:47:15,660 for catching bug or whatever, yeah. 1335 00:47:15,660 --> 00:47:19,140 - So I actually tried to write 1336 00:47:19,140 --> 00:47:21,660 one of our early ideas in the show. 1337 00:47:21,660 --> 00:47:23,820 I just, I'm like, you know, screw it. 1338 00:47:23,820 --> 00:47:24,820 I'm just gonna try it. 1339 00:47:24,820 --> 00:47:27,020 I'm just gonna see if I could actually create this or not. 1340 00:47:27,020 --> 00:47:28,460 And I don't know how to code. 1341 00:47:28,460 --> 00:47:31,340 And so I went to chat GPT and I said, 1342 00:47:31,340 --> 00:47:33,100 I described the app that I wanted 1343 00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:34,580 and I said, make this for me. 1344 00:47:34,580 --> 00:47:36,300 And it wrote a Python script 1345 00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:38,380 and then I ran the Python script and it was buggy 1346 00:47:38,380 --> 00:47:40,260 and it did blah, blah, blah, and it didn't run. 1347 00:47:40,260 --> 00:47:41,900 And so I didn't, like, 1348 00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:43,820 I have no idea how to troubleshoot or fix this. 1349 00:47:43,820 --> 00:47:46,020 So I just copied all the errors at the bottom, 1350 00:47:46,020 --> 00:47:48,940 put them back in the chat GPT and said, fix it. 1351 00:47:48,940 --> 00:47:49,980 So I tried it again. 1352 00:47:49,980 --> 00:47:52,260 And then after like three or four iterations of that, 1353 00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:54,580 I had a fully working app and I just, 1354 00:47:54,580 --> 00:47:56,340 or at least a section of the app 1355 00:47:56,340 --> 00:47:58,580 that I wanted to do one of the features. 1356 00:47:58,580 --> 00:48:00,780 So then I did that again with another one of the features 1357 00:48:00,780 --> 00:48:01,620 that I wanted to do. 1358 00:48:01,620 --> 00:48:04,180 I need this to light up this color, blah, make it happen. 1359 00:48:04,180 --> 00:48:05,500 Three or four iterations, boom. 1360 00:48:05,580 --> 00:48:08,940 And by the end of it, I had like six different code sets 1361 00:48:08,940 --> 00:48:11,100 and then I copied all of them in the chat GPT. 1362 00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:13,500 And I said, put all these together in one. 1363 00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:15,460 And three or four iterations later, 1364 00:48:15,460 --> 00:48:19,260 I had a beautiful state machine and working code. 1365 00:48:19,260 --> 00:48:21,420 - Well, I mean, that's the idea of programming, right? 1366 00:48:21,420 --> 00:48:23,960 Is you should be able to write a function that works 1367 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,380 when you give it the inputs and it gives the same outputs. 1368 00:48:26,380 --> 00:48:28,420 And then you just do that a hundred times. 1369 00:48:28,420 --> 00:48:29,500 So you have a hundred functions 1370 00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:31,500 and then you have one thing that determines 1371 00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:33,660 what order you do those functions in. 1372 00:48:33,660 --> 00:48:37,100 And I mean, it's nested dolls all the way up, 1373 00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:41,340 but yeah, I mean, that's really all it is. 1374 00:48:41,340 --> 00:48:42,700 There's actually, that was reminding me, 1375 00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:44,780 there was somebody who did make a thing 1376 00:48:44,780 --> 00:48:46,860 similar to what your method, 1377 00:48:46,860 --> 00:48:49,700 but he made like a package called Wolverine, 1378 00:48:49,700 --> 00:48:52,500 which all it does is it looks over your shoulder, 1379 00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:54,580 basically at your screen at what you're typing. 1380 00:48:54,580 --> 00:48:56,100 And then when it runs an error, it's like, 1381 00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:57,460 hey, I know what that error was. 1382 00:48:57,460 --> 00:48:58,540 Do you want me to fix it? 1383 00:48:58,540 --> 00:48:59,980 Or do you want to fix it yourself? 1384 00:48:59,980 --> 00:49:01,340 And then you go, you fix it. 1385 00:49:01,340 --> 00:49:02,700 And then it fixes it. 1386 00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:04,620 And then it makes a mistake, right? 1387 00:49:04,620 --> 00:49:07,660 It declares a variable that would be needed, 1388 00:49:07,660 --> 00:49:09,900 but never declares it rather. 1389 00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:11,780 It mentions a variable that would be needed, 1390 00:49:11,780 --> 00:49:12,980 but it's never declared. 1391 00:49:12,980 --> 00:49:15,020 And then a new error pops up and it goes, 1392 00:49:15,020 --> 00:49:16,660 oh, whoops, that was me. 1393 00:49:16,660 --> 00:49:17,540 And it fixes that. 1394 00:49:17,540 --> 00:49:18,780 And it will just do it over and over again 1395 00:49:18,780 --> 00:49:19,860 until it runs into no errors. 1396 00:49:19,860 --> 00:49:21,820 And it's like, all right, you take it from here. 1397 00:49:21,820 --> 00:49:22,940 And then you just keep typing along 1398 00:49:22,940 --> 00:49:24,060 until you hit another error. 1399 00:49:24,060 --> 00:49:25,540 And it's like, oh, I can fix that. 1400 00:49:25,540 --> 00:49:26,380 - Wow. 1401 00:49:26,380 --> 00:49:28,140 - And it called it Wolverine 'cause it's self healing. 1402 00:49:28,140 --> 00:49:30,780 It just continually goes over and over and over again 1403 00:49:30,780 --> 00:49:32,580 until it works. 1404 00:49:32,580 --> 00:49:35,860 - Okay, I'm gonna throw a curve ball here for a second, 1405 00:49:35,860 --> 00:49:37,860 but I'm wondering, can you like, 1406 00:49:37,860 --> 00:49:40,140 so hypothetically it's inputs and outputs, right? 1407 00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:42,820 You were saying, let's say you created a connection 1408 00:49:42,820 --> 00:49:45,020 to the Unity engine and like the goal was, 1409 00:49:45,020 --> 00:49:47,500 I want to be a better dancer, okay? 1410 00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:50,660 So you put your, you go on an Xbox connect 1411 00:49:50,660 --> 00:49:52,060 and you do your dance moves. 1412 00:49:52,060 --> 00:49:54,220 And then the inputs and outputs, right? 1413 00:49:54,220 --> 00:49:56,820 Is you input your dance moves 1414 00:49:56,820 --> 00:49:59,500 and the output is better dance moves. 1415 00:49:59,500 --> 00:50:01,780 Or like it tells you what's wrong. 1416 00:50:01,780 --> 00:50:05,620 Like use Unity to like do capture information. 1417 00:50:05,620 --> 00:50:08,540 And then output is, what if I set the output 1418 00:50:08,540 --> 00:50:11,260 to make this model dance better, right? 1419 00:50:11,260 --> 00:50:12,420 The 3D model. 1420 00:50:12,420 --> 00:50:13,540 Could you do stuff like that? 1421 00:50:13,540 --> 00:50:15,380 Like that's something that could be done, right? 1422 00:50:15,380 --> 00:50:17,180 - And if you can get that going in real time 1423 00:50:17,180 --> 00:50:18,980 in a VR headset where it's tracking 1424 00:50:18,980 --> 00:50:21,060 where your arms and legs are in, Russell, 1425 00:50:21,060 --> 00:50:24,420 you got like, you know how you have the piano learning things 1426 00:50:24,420 --> 00:50:25,740 where it's kind of like Guitar Hero, 1427 00:50:25,740 --> 00:50:27,940 they're falling and you're pressing them in order. 1428 00:50:27,940 --> 00:50:29,460 You got that, but it's a wireframe 1429 00:50:29,460 --> 00:50:31,660 of where your body needs to be next. 1430 00:50:31,660 --> 00:50:33,660 And you're, how do I move from here to here 1431 00:50:33,660 --> 00:50:36,500 to get my dance moves? 1432 00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:39,020 - Yeah, if so, anyone's going to have the real time, 1433 00:50:39,020 --> 00:50:41,820 it's going to be a Pixar will in a few, 1434 00:50:41,820 --> 00:50:43,180 in like a few years. 1435 00:50:43,180 --> 00:50:44,900 Like, I'm not sure if you guys know this 1436 00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:46,780 but they post all their white papers 1437 00:50:46,780 --> 00:50:49,700 about how they do their 3D stuff on their website. 1438 00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:51,900 Like you can go to Pixar and read their like 1439 00:50:51,900 --> 00:50:54,580 full research white paper on how Sully 1440 00:50:54,580 --> 00:50:57,340 has a million trillion hairs on his body 1441 00:50:57,340 --> 00:51:00,140 and how they render that all in real time. 1442 00:51:00,140 --> 00:51:01,980 We got super in the nerd weeds this week. 1443 00:51:01,980 --> 00:51:02,820 I love it. 1444 00:51:02,820 --> 00:51:03,660 This was a lot of fun. 1445 00:51:03,660 --> 00:51:04,500 - Yeah. 1446 00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:05,320 - Wow. 1447 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:06,160 - Yeah. 1448 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:07,000 (laughing) 1449 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:07,820 - It was good. 1450 00:51:07,820 --> 00:51:08,660 - Thank you all for listening. 1451 00:51:08,660 --> 00:51:09,500 We hope you enjoyed yourself this week 1452 00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:10,980 and thank you Doyle for coming here. 1453 00:51:10,980 --> 00:51:11,820 This was a lot of fun. 1454 00:51:11,820 --> 00:51:12,640 - Hey, I had a lot of fun. 1455 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,420 Yeah, thank you guys for having me. 1456 00:51:14,420 --> 00:51:15,700 - You said you have several ideas. 1457 00:51:15,700 --> 00:51:17,100 So we got to have you back here 1458 00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:18,620 so we can get that next one out of you, all right? 1459 00:51:18,620 --> 00:51:20,340 - That's why I didn't talk about any other ones. 1460 00:51:20,340 --> 00:51:21,180 - Oh yeah. 1461 00:51:21,180 --> 00:51:23,260 - So I self invited back on. 1462 00:51:23,260 --> 00:51:24,780 - Already looking forward to it. 1463 00:51:24,780 --> 00:51:26,740 Our website is Spitball.show. 1464 00:51:26,740 --> 00:51:29,060 Please, if you wouldn't mind to email us some feedback, 1465 00:51:29,060 --> 00:51:30,500 your thoughts, your comments, your ideas. 1466 00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:32,220 We want to hear more about the pitches you heard 1467 00:51:32,220 --> 00:51:33,700 and what your thoughts are on them. 1468 00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:35,100 And if you have some of your own, 1469 00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:37,100 maybe this sparked an idea for your low-code, 1470 00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:38,700 no-code solution. 1471 00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:40,700 Email us at podcast@Spitball.show. 1472 00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:41,540 We read everything. 1473 00:51:41,540 --> 00:51:42,420 We'd love to hear from you. 1474 00:51:42,420 --> 00:51:44,260 That's also how you can follow us on the Fediverse, 1475 00:51:44,260 --> 00:51:46,980 such as Mastodon, we're podcast@Spitball.show. 1476 00:51:46,980 --> 00:51:49,860 Our subreddit is r/spitballshow. 1477 00:51:49,860 --> 00:51:51,580 Our intro of our two music is "Swingers" 1478 00:51:51,580 --> 00:51:52,780 by Bonkers Beat Club. 1479 00:51:52,780 --> 00:51:53,780 And please, if you wouldn't mind, 1480 00:51:53,780 --> 00:51:55,060 you're listening on a podcast app, 1481 00:51:55,060 --> 00:51:57,340 pull over that car, stop your dog for a moment. 1482 00:51:57,340 --> 00:52:00,380 Hit us with that five-star review on Apple Podcasts, 1483 00:52:00,380 --> 00:52:02,420 subscribe and add us wherever you're listening right now, 1484 00:52:02,420 --> 00:52:04,340 Spotify, we would love to hear it. 1485 00:52:04,340 --> 00:52:06,380 It's the best way for people to find out about the show. 1486 00:52:06,380 --> 00:52:08,460 A new episode is coming out soon. 1487 00:52:08,460 --> 00:52:09,700 We will see you then. 1488 00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:12,300 (upbeat music)